Snype's Cloning Formula For Root Nubs In 3 Days!

[Immyedin]

What's up snype

What's up snype

hi snype as just started to use chlorine in my dwc, went and bought Hanna colorimeter, only got a few dpd reagents with it, and added 1.5% bleach at 2 ml to 40lites, results were abit weird as first one 0.67ppm
And then 10 mins later 0.9 and 0.8
And forgot to say it's a total chlorine metre
Some advise on what type of metre would be appreciated cheers

 

[Snype]

hi snype as just started to use chlorine in my dwc, went and bought Hanna colorimeter, only got a few dpd reagents with it, and added 1.5% bleach at 2 ml to 40lites, results were abit weird as first one 0.67ppm
And then 10 mins later 0.9 and 0.8
And forgot to say it's a total chlorine metre
Some advise on what type of metre would be appreciated cheers

I'm really not completely sure but I thought it would be better to measure Free Chlorine instead of Total Chlorine. Someone more experienced would have to chime in. I wouldn't worry too much about it and I'd just try to be around 1ppm.

 

[squarepush3r]

I'm really not completely sure but I thought it would be better to measure Free Chlorine instead of Total Chlorine. Someone more experienced would have to chime in. I wouldn't worry too much about it and I'd just try to be around 1ppm.

I bought an expensive HANNA digital chlorine meter several months ago, the thing was a piece of shit, I could test the same solution and get different results drastically all day.

I just ordered a DIY home pool kit, and am going to experiment with that. I think the home reagent kits are more bulletproof than digital meters.

 

[Immyedin]

Thanks guys

Thanks guys

yes it wa expensive and the regents are bloody dear too, well I'm topping up every few days as my bleach has only 1.5% Sodium Hypochlorite, what type of metre do you use snype cheers

 

[Snype]

yes it wa expensive and the regents are bloody dear too, well I'm topping up every few days as my bleach has only 1.5% Sodium Hypochlorite, what type of metre do you use snype cheers

I use an Extech CL-200.

 

[Vg_Ace]

So idk what to do at this point. I started up a new batch of clones and did exactly what you told me to do. I cleaned the machine with Physan 20, scrubbed down each part, sanitized it with bleach and rinsed out the machine really really well. I even bought some Permaklone collars that were brand new. After 5 days I gave it some more bleach at a rate of .1 mL. The stems did develop callouses like they normally should but then I did not get any root production. Here I am at day 8 and I only have some very small roots coming out of like 2 of the clones. All of the rest have the dreaded slime hanging off them. It is not a huge amount of slime, but it is noticeable. Am I putting too much bleach in or not enough? Obviously the slime is impeding the root growth and I cannot figure out why. I even took each clone out and rinsed the stem off in the sink very thoroughly. What am I doing wrong?

 

[Snype]

So idk what to do at this point. I started up a new batch of clones and did exactly what you told me to do. I cleaned the machine with Physan 20, scrubbed down each part, sanitized it with bleach and rinsed out the machine really really well. I even bought some Permaklone collars that were brand new. After 5 days I gave it some more bleach at a rate of .1 mL. The stems did develop callouses like they normally should but then I did not get any root production. Here I am at day 8 and I only have some very small roots coming out of like 2 of the clones. All of the rest have the dreaded slime hanging off them. It is not a huge amount of slime, but it is noticeable. Am I putting too much bleach in or not enough? Obviously the slime is impeding the root growth and I cannot figure out why. I even took each clone out and rinsed the stem off in the sink very thoroughly. What am I doing wrong?

I wouldn't say that you are doing anything wrong. You are one of those growers that happens to have poor water quality. The slime is coming from somewhere. You said you cleaned your cloner real good so I have to assume it's coming from your water source. Some strains of this slime is resistant to Chlorine. I'm not saying that's the case with you but to figure it out you would need to get a chlorine meter and keep your levels at 1 PPM to see if you still get the slime. If you do, you have to use better water but if you know you that it dies with bleach, then you will be all set to go.

What I would try is Richy Rich's hydro tea if you continue to have problems with the slime. He has the formula in his signature.

I battled a chlorine resistant slime for 3 years. It wasn't fun. The slime has a bigger affect on aeroponics and RDWC because there's no medium to help buffer against it.

Here's his formula. I would probably give it a try on your slimed cuts in the cloner:

"RichyRich Hydro Tea Recipe and Instructions:
1. Add 4 gal of RO or bottled water in a 5 gal bucket.
2. Add 2-3 cups of EWC's and/or Ancient Forest.
3. Add 1/2-1 scoop of Great White.
4. Add 1/2-1 scoop of ZHO.
5. Add 30-50mL of Aquashield.
6. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
7. Add 25mL of liquid Carbo Load or 25mL of molasses or 1tsp of brown sugar per 24 hours of brew time.
8. Bubble the brew for 24-48 hours.
9. Fridge your tea max 7-10 days.
10. New rez add 1-3 cups per 10 gal.
11. Add 1 cup of tea per 10 gal every 3rd day.
12. Watch and enjoy your amazing roots and yield."

 

[Vg_Ace]

I have actually tried the Heisenberg tea and it was a complete disaster. It is so much more expensive then just keeping the res sterile with bleach. But I did read your "slime" thread and I might have to go and get some Erythromycin.

But here is my question. If I added too much Bleach, would that inhibit root growth and or kill the roots? If I do indeed have the slime known as Cyanobacteria I was wondering if I double the bleach amount in my system from .1 ml up from .05 ml would that hurt anything or would it be able to kill off the bacteria without hurting the plants?

 

[Snype]

I have actually tried the Heisenberg tea and it was a complete disaster. It is so much more expensive then just keeping the res sterile with bleach. But I did read your "slime" thread and I might have to go and get some Erythromycin.

But here is my question. If I added too much Bleach, would that inhibit root growth and or kill the roots? If I do indeed have the slime known as Cyanobacteria I was wondering if I double the bleach amount in my system from .1 ml up from .05 ml would that hurt anything or would it be able to kill off the bacteria without hurting the plants?

You need a chlorine meter to understand how often you need to add. As the Chlorine fights the pathogen, it leaves faster. So you don't want your Chlorine PPM going less than 0.5 or the pathogen will start to multiply. To know when you need to add, you need a chlorine meter. It's possible that all your Chlorine is gone within 6 hours if it's fighting a pathogen like you have. That's the problem. The highest I'd take the Chlorine PPM to is 2.5 PPM and let it drop down to 1.0 PPM then bring it back up to 2.5 PPM. If your fight is working, you will start to see it take longer for the Chlorine to get back down to 1 PPM. You can only see this with a chlorine meter.

 

[Vg_Ace]

Ok that makes sense. I thought I could make do with the Hanna ORP meter but its obvious that I now need a Total chlorine meter. Most of the total chlorine meters on the market though require reagents to test with. Can you recommend a good Total chlorine meter that you don't need to keep adding reagents to test it with, or is that simply part of the chlorine testing process?

 

[Snype]

Ok that makes sense. I thought I could make do with the Hanna ORP meter but its obvious that I now need a Total chlorine meter. Most of the total chlorine meters on the market though require reagents to test with. Can you recommend a good Total chlorine meter that you don't need to keep adding reagents to test it with, or is that simply part of the chlorine testing process?

I can't really recommend one. I use the Extech CL-200. You have to add those pills. I know it's a pain. Not sure what the other options are because I only used it for my testing and don't use it anymore.

 

[Vg_Ace]

I think I found a good Hanna tester that comes with 50 reagent test packs. But I definitely want a tester that measures TOTAL chlorine,not FREE chlorine, right?

 

[Snype]

I think I found a good Hanna tester that comes with 50 reagent test packs. But I definitely want a tester that measures TOTAL chlorine,not FREE chlorine, right?

I really have no idea. In my head I would think Free Chlorine would be better but I think my meter measures Total Chlorine. But in reality, I have no idea which one is better.

 

[prescient]

I think I found a good Hanna tester that comes with 50 reagent test packs. But I definitely want a tester that measures TOTAL chlorine,not FREE chlorine, right?

The answer is free chlorine. Your water typically has elements that will engage with the chlorine rendering it useless in the battle against pathogens. Free chlorine is what's actually available to fight the battle for sterilization!

 

[Vg_Ace]

Well I already bought a Total chlorine tester and throughout this entire thread of Snype's he has measured the Total chlorine. I will just go with that.

 

[DONAJTHEIII]

So i gave the snypes formula a run and i didnt have root nubs in 3 days but i do see root nubs on them and im at day 5-6. my cloner water is nice and clean and the extra aeration that you rec. is really key ! i got 2 air stones and 2 pumps in my 2 gallon cloner water moves nice which i know was a problem for me. So although i didnt get huge roots as fast at snype does

the formula i expect will give me nice roots and the clones look good.

will keep you guys posted have used the tea mthod with success btw too just a pain compared to the 1 drop of bleach and sterile method.


right on snype just did a rez change in the cloner so they got fresh h20 now.


will keep you guys posted



AJAE

 

[Apache Kush]

What I would try is Richy Rich's hydro tea if you continue to have problems with the slime. He has the formula in his signature.


Here's his formula. I would probably give it a try on your slimed cuts in the cloner:

"RichyRich Hydro Tea Recipe and Instructions:
1. Add 4 gal of RO or bottled water in a 5 gal bucket.
2. Add 2-3 cups of EWC's and/or Ancient Forest.
3. Add 1/2-1 scoop of Great White.
4. Add 1/2-1 scoop of ZHO.
5. Add 30-50mL of Aquashield.
6. Add 5mL of Root Excelurator.
7. Add 25mL of liquid Carbo Load or 25mL of molasses or 1tsp of brown sugar per 24 hours of brew time.
8. Bubble the brew for 24-48 hours.
9. Fridge your tea max 7-10 days.
10. New rez add 1-3 cups per 10 gal.
11. Add 1 cup of tea per 10 gal every 3rd day.
12. Watch and enjoy your amazing roots and yield."

cool ^ sounds good to me snype. I really need to read more on the teas and making teas recipes. for soil ... but

would that tea be good in FFOF soil?

thx

 

[Snype]

cool ^ sounds good to me snype. I really need to read more on the teas and making teas recipes. for soil ... but

would that tea be good in FFOF soil?

thx

I don't know anything about teas.

 

[luxcultivars]

It's possible that all your Chlorine is gone within 6 hours if it's fighting a pathogen like you have. That's the problem. The highest I'd take the Chlorine PPM to is 2.5 PPM

Hey there, Snype -

Still rocking your technique and loving it. Curious about your comment on the upper limit of chlorine. What happen at higher levels? Not, say, 40 times as much, but maybe 5 PPM? Do the plants suffer?

 

[Snype]

Hey there, Snype -

Still rocking your technique and loving it. Curious about your comment on the upper limit of chlorine. What happen at higher levels? Not, say, 40 times as much, but maybe 5 PPM? Do the plants suffer?

I never tested it in the cloner but I killed a whole RDWC crop using too much Bleach. I don't go over 2.5 PPM now but I'd rather be at 1 PPM. I can't speak for 5 PPM. Only way to know is to try. RDWC and Aeroponics can't handle as much Chlorine as opposed to an E&F where the medium is not always in solution like aeroponics and RDWC. Glad the technique is working for you!