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Smart Meters To Nip Illegal Practice In The Bud

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SMART METERS TO NIP ILLEGAL PRACTICE IN THE BUD

BC Hydro's New Digital Technology Will Be Able To Detect Marijuana Growing Operations

One of British Columbia's biggest underground industries could find itself short-circuited by a BC Hydro technology upgrade.

Hydro is moving ahead with a plan to replace mechanical electricity meters with smart meters across the province that are expected to make it a lot tougher for indoor marijuana growers to conceal their operations.

Smart meters represent the first major upgrade on conventional analog electricity meters in a half century. Hydro last month issued a request for proposals for companies to bid on installation of new, digital meters as well as the accompanying hardware and software, to serve all of its customers by 2012.

The principal benefit of the upgrade is to allow Hydro to better manage its electrical grid.

For example, Hydro will receive instantaneous reports of blackouts rather than waiting for customers to phone them with the information.

However, Hydro is touting detection of electricity theft as a significant side benefit for its customers.

Electricity theft was estimated in 2006 to cost Hydro $30 million per year -- which would work out to at least $40 million with today's two-tier electricity rate -- equivalent to a one-percent rate hike.

"At the market value of [purchasing] new energy supply, the cost to our legitimate customers would be significantly more -- even if the total quantity of gigawatt hours stolen has not increased since 2006," said Cindy Verschoor, Hydro smart meter program communications leader, in an e-mail.

"The smart metering and infrastructure program will help to identify theft where and when it is occurring and mitigate impacts on legitimate ratepayers."

Illicit marijuana production in B.C. has been estimated to have an annual retail value of between $4 billion and $5 billion.

Conventional wisdom holds that residential-based grow operators have either tampered with their existing meters or rewired nearby distribution power lines in order to mask the large volume of power they need to run the lights that serve their indoor nurseries.

In a recent interview, a senior executive with a B.C.-based company that has already installed millions of smart meters for utilities around North America said that its workers immediately detect illegal electricity consumption when they attach the new meters to the outside of homes and commercial businesses.

It's a side-effect of the installation, Corix Utilities ( U. S. ) vice-president and general manager Kevin Meagher said.

"We are verifying first of all ... is the system is safe? Is that little box on the side of your house safe? Is it grounded? Are there the right voltages based on the [customers'] records and so forth? That's all part of the installation process. We are testing all of that," Meagher said.

"How we find these [illegal] things is that we will get a back-feed that tells me there is power coming from somewhere else on this premise through the system. That's usually an indicator that there is a grow house or something else on it."

Hydro won't divulge specific details on how smart meters will detect theft, but Verschoor acknowledged that the Crown corporation expects that tampered meters will be discovered by contractors during the initial installation process.

"While evidence of electricity theft will be reported to BC Hydro, the smart meter installers are not going to be conducting investigations or intruding on customer privacy," Verschoor said.

"In general, theft detection will involve accurately measuring how much electricity is going into an area [such as a neighbourhood] and that data will be compared to metered consumption from customers in the area.

"This is akin to a retail chain comparing how much inventory is delivered to each store by how many units are sold at the cash registers in that store."

She added that the new system will give Hydro better "visibility" of its grid.

"We can determine sources of energy loss from a variety of causes, including theft."

Discussion board participants on cannabis culture sites across the English-speaking world have been expressing a degree of paranoia about the new technology, with similar meter installations proceeding in many countries.

Advocates of legalizing marijuana, meanwhile, think the grow operations most likely to be detected by the new meter technology are family enterprises.

"Prohibition breeds creativity for getting around obstacles and law enforcement, so there will be ways for large-scale growers to go undetected," Jodie Emery said in an e-mail.

Emery's husband is Marc Emery, an outspoken advocate of pot legalization now serving five years in a U.S. penitentiary for a mail order business that shipped marijuana seeds from Canada to the United States.

"They can just get generators, or buy entire gas stations ( as we've seen done in the past ), or use new LED lighting technology, or grow smaller crops in more locations, which actually spreads the problem out and makes it harder to detect," Jodie Emery said.

"The most dangerous aspect of the smart meter program is that it means small-scale, mom-and-pop indoor gardens will be more likely to be shut down, whereas organized crime can afford the techniques and technology to avoid detection ( in the ways I outlined above ). So it puts more of the cannabis market into the hands of gangs, and out of small-scale personal gardeners.

"No matter what BC Hydro does with smart meters, grow ops will never go away unless cannabis prohibition ends."



URL: http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v10/n641/a07.html
Source: Vancouver Sun (CN BC)
Author: Scott Simpson, Vancouver Sun
 

Pythagllio

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This seems like a job that would be right up right up a transformer's alley.

Sheesh, doesn't stealing electricity cost the utility money? So now we have them further encouraging grows to bypass the meter entirely.
 

kmk420kali

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This seems like a job that would be right up right up a transformer's alley.

Sheesh, doesn't stealing electricity cost the utility money? So now we have them further encouraging grows to bypass the meter entirely.

It says they can detect that with these-- They monitor how much is going in to an area, compare it to how much is being used...then all they have to do is find where the excess is going--
With the old meters, they have to kill the electricity at your panel, and then go to the pole, and see if there is still consumption...which can be gotten around by simply running your illegal power through a switch, that is powered by your legal juice, so if the legal power dies, so does the illegal--
Apparently they can do that with the smart meters without killing your power--
 

PoopyTeaBags

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This seems like a job that would be right up right up a transformer's alley.

Sheesh, doesn't stealing electricity cost the utility money? So now we have them further encouraging grows to bypass the meter entirely.


if its on a smart grid they will be able to tell EXACLTY where they are losing the energy from... technology sucks... decent way to get around it is to go commercial warehouse or a couple commercial ware house and cuts grows in half and quarter alot more over head though... we will find a way around it we always do.
 

Chester

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You can relax a bit.

All the "smart meters" I've examined have been the cheapest and simplest models the manufacturers offer. (My area, your mileage may vary) None of them has been purchased with the time of use options.

Apparently all the utilities are interested is remote reading capabilities and that ability generally ends at the first transformer. Still, the meter reader can drive from transformer to transformer to read all the meters, and that seems good enough for the bean-counters running the utility companies.

What they are saying (indirectly), is that when the installer pulls the meter, I'll wager that they are supposed to put a voltage meter on the house side lug before installing the "smart meter". If they find voltage present (back feed), then they have evidence that power is being stolen and will proceed accordingly. There are ways to avoid such detection and I'll bet that no one stealing power is quite that careful.

It is also possible that the contractors installing the new meters are also measuring the current in each conductor at the pole (or other connection) and comparing it with the meter at the time of installation. That is the normal test to detect a bypass jumper or faulty meter. It would be very difficult for someone stealing power to pass such a test. (possible, but...)

Basically, they are using the installation of the new meters as an opportunity to snoop a bit for illicit power taps.

Utilities are getting better at figuring-out where to look when revenues and consumption don't match. Sometimes it's a tree branch. Sometimes it's a jumper. In any case, unmetered power losses are diligently hunted down.


Stay safe.


:cool:
 

Chester

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if its on a smart grid they will be able to tell EXACLTY where they are losing the energy from... technology sucks... decent way to get around it is to go commercial warehouse or a couple commercial ware house and cuts grows in half and quarter alot more over head though... we will find a way around it we always do.

You have to be very careful about commercial property.

You do not have the privacy protections of a private residence.

You may have annual fire inspections to deal with. Budget cutbacks are working in your favor these days.

It's difficult to know what tax parasite will demand to inspect what and when with commercial/industrial property.

Insulated shipping containers are a nifty option though ;)


:cool:
 

kmk420kali

Freedom Fighter
Veteran
You can relax a bit.

All the "smart meters" I've examined have been the cheapest and simplest models the manufacturers offer. (My area, your mileage may vary) None of them has been purchased with the time of use options.

Apparently all the utilities are interested is remote reading capabilities and that ability generally ends at the first transformer. Still, the meter reader can drive from transformer to transformer to read all the meters, and that seems good enough for the bean-counters running the utility companies.

What they are saying (indirectly), is that when the installer pulls the meter, I'll wager that they are supposed to put a voltage meter on the house side lug before installing the "smart meter". If they find voltage present (back feed), then they have evidence that power is being stolen and will proceed accordingly. There are ways to avoid such detection and I'll bet that no one stealing power is quite that careful.

It is also possible that the contractors installing the new meters are also measuring the current in each conductor at the pole (or other connection) and comparing it with the meter at the time of installation. That is the normal test to detect a bypass jumper or faulty meter. It would be very difficult for someone stealing power to pass such a test. (possible, but...)

Basically, they are using the installation of the new meters as an opportunity to snoop a bit for illicit power taps.

Utilities are getting better at figuring-out where to look when revenues and consumption don't match. Sometimes it's a tree branch. Sometimes it's a jumper. In any case, unmetered power losses are diligently hunted down.


Stay safe.


:cool:

I believe you are talking about Digital Meters, for the remote reading-- I could be mistaken, but I believe the Smart Meters are different from that--
 

Chester

Member
They call anything digital a "smart meter". As opposed the the "dumb" analog meters.

Time of use, peak demand and such are options that cost extra and unless the utility can bill based on time of use or peak demand, they don't purchase those options.


:cool:
 

mrdizzle

Member
I wonder if they were saying that the meter changers noticed illegal grows because whne they put in the new meter they noticed the theft, and just label all growers as power thefts?

or did they know by the way the power was being drawn? I have heard they can detect usage but I believe its the spikes that help them determine whats being used, like they understand when I dryer turns on due to the average power a dryer uses and the length of time it runs.

some people have tried to say that they know its a HID because of the draw but I feel like if you run a flip flop they wont be able to figure out exactly what is pulling the power
 
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tokinafaty420

I don't understand why an electric company would go after one of their best customers. (not the ones stealing)

cmon BChydro turn a blind eye to the ones paying their bill on time every month. They're just trying to make a living in this tough time.
 

Phedrosbenny

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Veteran
Or if you run a 24 hour light Veg room and a 24 hour dark flower room.They wont see any spikes.Everything will just be the same 24 hours a day.
 
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tokinafaty420

24 hour dark flower room...... ummmm whats the point in building the flower room if you don't intend to use it?
 

Phedrosbenny

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You do use it.This is I would think for small gardens.But you just move the plants in and out of the dark room every 12 hours.You can double the space you can use in the flower room due to you being able to flower in shifts.
 
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tokinafaty420

That sure sounds like a whole lot of work, gonna be full of human error. Just like the people who think they can turn the lights on and off without a timer.
 

Phedrosbenny

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Veteran
Huh.................Thats the way I have allways grown.It has worked well for me.And anything done by human beings will have a degree of human error.
 
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Mr. Mountain

I wonder if they were saying that the meter changers noticed illegal grows because whne they put in the new meter they noticed the theft, and just label all growers as power thefts?

or did they know by the way the power was being drawn? I have heard they can detect usage but I believe its the spikes that help them determine whats being used, like they understand when I dryer turns on due to the average power a dryer uses and the length of time it runs.

some people have tried to say that they know its a HID because of the draw but I feel like if you run a flip flop they wont be able to figure out exactly what is pulling the power


Not so. Whenever you run motors, compressors, A/C units and HID ballasts with traditional (core/coil) magnetic ballasts you get INDUCTIVE LAG. Ever notice the ceiling lights dim when your portable A/C kicks on? That is INDUCTIVE LAG.

In an inductive circuit current and voltage are out of phase (with voltage leading) by 90 deg or 1/4 cycle (in a perfect inductor.)

I can come to your neighborhood and with the right test equipment, measure the power quality and determine if there is an unusual amount of reactive power.

No "normal" residence will have large inductive lag. You only see this in machine shops/industrial spaces.

I would imagine the smart meters only make this easier.

Power companies are beginning to charge additional fees to industrial operations which have large inductive lag. Because the out of phase power going back into the grid screws up power quality.


Mr. M
 
Not so. Whenever you run motors, compressors, A/C units and HID ballasts with traditional (core/coil) magnetic ballasts you get INDUCTIVE LAG. Ever notice the ceiling lights dim when your portable A/C kicks on? That is INDUCTIVE LAG.

In an inductive circuit current and voltage are out of phase (with voltage leading) by 90 deg or 1/4 cycle (in a perfect inductor.)

I can come to your neighborhood and with the right test equipment, measure the power quality and determine if there is an unusual amount of reactive power.

No "normal" residence will have large inductive lag. You only see this in machine shops/industrial spaces.

I would imagine the smart meters only make this easier.

Power companies are beginning to charge additional fees to industrial operations which have large inductive lag. Because the out of phase power going back into the grid screws up power quality.


Mr. M


what can you do to fix the inductive lag? My friends 3 bedroom house has that real bad and he does not grow or anything
 

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