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SMALL HITS ARE BETTER THAN BIG ONES!

meduser180056

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Truthman said:
I'm not saying that you won't feel an effect from doing big hits BUT with many small hits, you will get high as opposed to stoned that big hits, low oxygen give.

That's total bullshit. Prove it.
 

bounty29

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meduser180056 said:
This thread is total bullshit I agree with Sam comletely.

I've always preferred one big rip to a bunch of lil small ones. Way more effect for less material. Maximum effect comes from a big rip like Sam says. There's nothing better than a one hitter of bubblehash. I hate it when people pack hash in a pipe and take little hits passing it around. I agree about the Volcano also. I have one and I prefer one nice bong hit. I don't like the Volcano too much cuz the hits are spread so thin also.

So because you prefer big hits this thread is bullshit? I love ignorance.
 

meduser180056

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I take back that the thread is total bullshit that's a lil harsh.

However, it is bullshit to claim that big hits get you stoned as opposed to smaller hits which get you high. That's just not true.
 

bounty29

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I'm not going to say that it's untrue, but I definitely agree that it's a different high. If I smoke the same weed out of a bong one night, and then out of one of my spoons, taking small hits, mixing the smoke with air in my lungs, similar to the process outlined a few posts back, I will have a different type of high.
 
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Truthman

Damn, some people are stern in their opinions!.

Anyway, someone just made a thread showing how he did this but with a slow and steady draw on the joint and it got him blazed off of some weak weed that previously did nothing.

Here it is:
http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=66189
Get more from your weed . Take a better hit
 
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Sam_Skunkman said:
BIG hits are better subjectively but small hits may well be more efficient. I am not after efficiency I want maximum effect. This is done by large doses of THC delivered all at once.
If you really want to improve your smoking how about stopping the unnecessary inhalation of all the herbal smoke from Cannabis. Vaporize or smoke resin, way less smoke!
Although to be honest I do not like vaporizors because the hits are way to small. I can fire up a large hit of resin in my bong, all in one hit, the first half or more is vaporized not burnt even though I use fire to light it. With the same amount in a vaporizor it takes me 5-10 breaths to finish off the hit. For example with a volcano, with the same amount of resin, I can fill several bags, each with two breaths of air.
This is not what I want, I want it all at once in one breath.
Small hits may be better then big to you, but not for me!!!

-SamS

Poppinfresh is right, you say you want maximum effect taking big hits is actually the opposite of having maximum effect because your blowing out A LOT of cannabinoids that could have been in your system.

I think what people are looking for is QUICK effects and the fast acting high they get, they confuse this with a major high but these are different things.

I think this another reason why eating cannabis is so strong when it's done with fat and that's because a lot of the cannabinoids aren't wasted and therefore you really feel it. I don't think it's just because of the metabolism of thc-9 to thc-11.

We live in a world where we are taught that in order to get things done you have to get going and keep going BUT in reality if you want to get the BEST you have to manipulate things to your benefit to achieve maximum gains. Unfortunately in this world if you aren't do things fast it is seen as your not making progress.

If you study how things work, then be creative to use this for your own advantage, being physical and fast is only a small portion of what's needed to get maximum effects from things because by study and breaking things down, you know what needs to be done whereas people who live only by here & now, will keep thinking that to only achieve things is to do it harder, bigger, faster.

This thinking goes with sex, food, and getting money.

Anyway, to achieve maximum effects slow, steady, small hits accompanied with a lot of air is the best solution because your not bringing the temperature to a high degree by doing fast hits and not diluting the cannabinoids with high amount of smoke and hot gases, you make sure each part of plant will get even heat which allows for maximum vaporization of cannabinoids, and you are able to mix the vapor with enough air to make sure most of the lungs can absorb the vapor and the vapor isn't just being wasted by being exhaled into the air.

Also, be taking hits like this you are actually conditioning the cell membranes to be able to absorb more cannabinoids because with each hit, the cannabinoids and other oil actually make the cell membrane more fluid yet still firm just based on how the resin glands are made with them being liquid yet have a wax like coating that holds the oils, and therefore with each puff you will actually get higher and higher BUT when you take it all at once, you just get the cell membrane fluid but because it's so much at once, especially if your smoke concentrates, your body will actually make it harder for you to get high because after a while your receptors will down-regulate, meaning overtime there will be less of them and this is because when they get bombarded by too much chemicals and doesn't make use of them, the best way to deal with them is preventing the chemical from being able to latch onto the cells.

This could be why after eating a large amount of strong cannabis foods, some people can't get high for a while. Also, this could be why some strong weed doesn't do it for you like it once did until you give your body time to reset the process and makes the receptors to the amount it previously was or by working out everyday to get the process going faster than normal.
 
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well you hold the big hit in silly...smoke pot like a man..just kidding...peace
 
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Do you really enjoy boiling tar lol?I guess my BS sounds too serious, I knew what he meant of course.
 

PoppinFresh

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overall i think the issue is paying attention to how much you're actually exhaling or exhausting lol. i like when i use small hits with a good amount of air because when i exhale, i hardly see any smoke. that's how i know i've got all that weed absorbed into my system. i really started doing this when i read an article that states we don't use all of the air that we breath naturally. in fact, most of it is blown out. then i read another article regarding smoking marijuana that says gave a concrete figure of 70% of thc is lost when blown out during regular smoking because the lung can only absorb but so much.

so with all that said im going to change my stance SLIGHTLY by saying it's not how much you take in but how much you KEEP in! when a smoker is blowing out huge plumes of smoke after holding in a huge rip for all of 2-3 seconds than i consider that a waste. that can also happen with small hits as well. it's all a waste. if you can take in that big rip and hold it down for 1-2min (i think it's possible, just not with me lol) allowing the lung to absorb as much as possible then i could see how a big rip would make more sense.

so to recap.. it's not about how much u can pull in. it's about how much you can actually keep in! i don't care who you are - my asthmatic ass or sheriff bart (who inspired my rethinking from his post http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?postid=1201211#poststop), if you're blowing out huge plumes, you're wasting the bud. until we can legalize and get that $20-$50 pound of Nigerian or we're damned lucky enough to be swimming in it, our respective hits shouldn't be judged by how much we pull in but how much we blow out.

HUGE PLUMES ARE GAY

POPPIN FRESH FOR PRESIDENT 2016
 

bounty29

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Smoke =/= THC

There's a lot of stuff in the smoke that comes from burning bud besides "the good stuff."

I don't want all the smoke to be absorbed into my lungs. Do you see what smoke looks like? You want that to coat the inside of your lungs? Your logic makes sense, but doesn't factor in the effects of the actual smoke. Going by your stance, it sounds like you should get a vaporizer.
 
I tried taking smaller hits and breathing in more air after inhaling the smoke and it works alright, nothing noticeably different in effect. but one thing i found is that when i fully pakced a bowl and try to take a "small but efficient" hit, the cherry would go out, and i would have to relight the bowl. this, i believe is wasting more thc than if i just cashed the bowl in 1 major pull without having to reintroduce the lighter
 
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Makavellian said:
I tried taking smaller hits and breathing in more air after inhaling the smoke and it works alright, nothing noticeably different in effect. but one thing i found is that when i fully pakced a bowl and try to take a "small but efficient" hit, the cherry would go out, and i would have to relight the bowl. this, i believe is wasting more thc than if i just cashed the bowl in 1 major pull without having to reintroduce the lighter

This doesn't make sense because I find it's the total opposite. If I grind up the bud evenly, fine, then pack it nice and tight although air can still get through, I don't need to relight it.

The only time I have to keep relighting it is if the herb isn't ground fine and isn't evenly packed.

Are you sure you didn't just break the pieces up then pack the bowl?.

If you live by GNC, you can get a pill crusher. This helps the herb breakdown excellent and is around $3-$5. Once you turn the twister and it crushes the herb, after you take the herb out the hole, it will just turn to a fine powder. Maybe this can help you.
 
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Sam_Skunkman

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Big or Small?

Big or Small?

PoppinFresh,
I do not care if I waste THC, my only interest is to get as high as I can. I smoke dry sift and could make water sift instead and get much more hash, but I prefer dry sift. I do not care about wasting, I got plenty...
If anyone out there really thinks that small hits get them higher then big hits they have confused efficiency with effectiveness. Single large doses of THC are subjectively more potent because even if some is wasted the effects are much more pronounced when a big THC dose is given to a body with no THC exposure in the last week. If you smoke small hits then the high is gradual it does not come on all at once like a dam breaking, it is more like a slow leak.
I will admit that smoking small hits is more efficent, and keeping the smoke in as long as you can. But that is not how I smoke, I do not care if I am throwing away most of the smoke I only keep my HUGE hits in for a few seconds.
If you are all so concerned with smoke why not stop smoking herbal Cannabis? I used to spit up black every morning when I was a heavy herbal Cannabis user, now I smoke hash resin and I have no problems at all.

TheAmerican,
Are you kidding? Me smoke bowl scrappings? NEVER. I don't even smoke herbal Cannabis. To me it is like smoking a rope with resin sprinkled on it.


Truthman,
If anyone out there thinks that small hits held a long time gives higher oxygen levels then big hits held for a very short time they need to redo science class.
"I think this another reason why eating cannabis is so strong when it's done with fat and that's because a lot of the cannabinoids aren't wasted and therefore you really feel it. I don't think it's just because of the metabolism of thc-9 to thc-11."

Sounds good but it is wrong, 11 Hydroxy THC is several times stronger then THC and has slightly different effects.

I am wondering when you take acid do you take 1 Mic at a time? I heard it is a lot better when you take 1 Mic per 5 minutes, so a 250 Mic dose will take you a couple of days to take. No waste and more efficiency, you get all the effects. LOL

BTW I make very strong hash candies, they are famous in Amsterdam, as much as 1 gram of THC per candy, I can eat them until I can't walk and still get high easily the next morning. I am not sure what you refer to when you say you can't.

PoppinFresh,
No it's about how much THC can be delivered at one time, regardless of anything else.

Truthman,
Do you smoke herbal Cannabis? Why do that to your lungs? Wouldn't just resin be a lot better for you? Even big hits?

-SamS
 
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PoppinFresh

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Sam
I don't know where you're getting this Bush-league science from but you're wrong - flat out. Now, you may be the super growing, hash pressing, candy making blah blah blah of the universe but the science you refer to is completely backward from the science I know and I've read from REAL scientists who've done REAL studies. It's simple math. Allow me to help you.

Let's take a ball of resin which is what I would guess you prefer to use. Let's say it's 100g (just using a round number). Say you burn that all in one heavy rip and I mean it's all ash after the first rip. Do you realize after holding it a paltry (bein a lil catty lol) 2-3 seconds that probably more than 70% (magic number I readsomewhere before which is why I hold on to it) of that is blown right out. Granted you've got pounds upon pounds of weed to waste - GREAT but irrelevant! Guess what! It's still a waste of THC. You'll get a high off of that one rip but only off of a total of 30% or 30g. I hope everyone's following.

Now, we take an identical 100g hash ball and I go with smaller hits with a good amount of air. I can hold it in longer because my lungs aren't begging for oxygen since they haven't been snuffed by clouds of smoke. When I blow out, you're not seeing any smoke. Hopefully, we can say that I am utilizing 80%+ of the THC 1g at a time per pull every 30 seconds. Within 20 minutes, I've been able to absorb almost the same amount of THC you've absorbed with your one heavy rip and I've still got about 60g left over. Give me an hour and that whole hash ball is ash but I've managed to absorb 70-80% of it!
[Disclaimer: Smaller hit doses aren't backed by any science. It's an educated guess based on empirical evidence]

Now, let me ask folks.. overall who's going to get more ****ed up?
The guy who pulled in 30g in one big rip or the guy who pulled in 70-80g over an hour period? Agreed, the big rip will **** you up faster, immediately even, but I'll be good God damned if anyone is going to tell me that my high won't be of a better quality and last a shit load longer!

It's simple common sense. We can sit here and gripe about what you're smoking, how much and how you're smoking and all this other stuff but hold all of that shit constant and numbers will prove the point - smaller hits aren't just more efficient, they are also more effective than bigger rips. This is why I put effective in quotes earlier! Truth is, bigger rips aren't efficient and they aren't effective either.

But, as I've said before, to each his own. If you got it to waste, then by all means waste away! But, don't tell me huge rips outdo small hits - THAT'S BULLSHIT!

Another thing, the high you get from big rips may not be a genuine marijuana high. It may just be a "glue sniffing" high. I say that because when kids sniff glue, the buzz they get is caused by a lack of oxygen reaching the brain. They don't get high, they get oxygen deprived. Maybe that's why some people think the high is different! No, the high is the same marijuana high. It's just coupled with oxygen deprivation which leads to wooziness and potential chance to faint!
 
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Sam_Skunkman said:
PoppinFresh,
I do not care if I waste THC, my only interest is to get as high as I can. I smoke dry sift and could make water sift instead and get much more hash, but I prefer dry sift. I do not care about wasting, I got plenty...
If anyone out there really thinks that small hits get them higher then big hits they have confused efficiency with effectiveness. Single large doses of THC are subjectively more potent because even if some is wasted the effects are much more pronounced when a big THC dose is given to a body with no THC exposure in the last week. If you smoke small hits then the high is gradual it does not come on all at once like a dam breaking, it is more like a slow leak.
I will admit that smoking small hits is more efficent, and keeping the smoke in as long as you can. But that is not how I smoke, I do not care if I am throwing away most of the smoke I only keep my HUGE hits in for a few seconds.
If you are all so concerned with smoke why not stop smoking herbal Cannabis? I used to spit up black every morning when I was a heavy herbal Cannabis user, now I smoke hash resin and I have no problems at all.

TheAmerican,
Are you kidding? Me smoke bowl scrappings? NEVER. I don't even smoke herbal Cannabis. To me it is like smoking a rope with resin sprinkled on it.


Truthman,
If anyone out there thinks that small hits held a long time gives higher oxygen levels then big hits held for a very short time they need to redo science class.
"I think this another reason why eating cannabis is so strong when it's done with fat and that's because a lot of the cannabinoids aren't wasted and therefore you really feel it. I don't think it's just because of the metabolism of thc-9 to thc-11."

Sounds good but it is wrong, 11 Hydroxy THC is several times stronger then THC and has slightly different effects.

I am wondering when you take acid do you take 1 Mic at a time? I heard it is a lot better when you take 1 Mic per 5 minutes, so a 250 Mic dose will take you a couple of days to take. No waste and more efficiency, you get all the effects. LOL

BTW I make very strong hash candies, they are famous in Amsterdam, as much as 1 gram of THC per candy, I can eat them until I can't walk and still get high easily the next morning. I am not sure what you refer to when you say you can't.

PoppinFresh,
No it's about how much THC can be delivered at one time, regardless of anything else.

Truthman,
Do you smoke herbal Cannabis? Why do that to your lungs? Wouldn't just resin be a lot better for you? Even big hits?

-SamS

Sam, I know thc-11 is strong BUT like I stated one of the reasons why eating cannabis might have more of an effect is because more of it is going into the intestines and being absorbed by the blood to travel to the lymph, throughout the intestines, and other organs as opposed to smoking the same amount.

When you smoke/vapor cannabis, most of it would go straight to the bloodstream to go to the organs, then the liver to be used up for energy to make other chemicals, most likely bile due to being made of lipid properties and to make hormones(the body is very efficient) and then go to the intestines to be shitted out.

Remember the lymphatic system is connected to the skin, which is a large organ and when you eat fatty foods, specifically long chained fats, they go throughout the lymph system to be distributed and the skin being an organ that connects the outside world to the inside and this when taken with cannabis, will effect the high.

So in essence everything that you feel will make you feel "higher" and release chemicals that add to the high. Of course thc-11 is strong BUT the AMOUNT of it is what I think effects the high more than thc-11 itself.

As far as not getting high the next day from eating too much cannabis, first I never said this happens to ME, I don't know where you got that from, and secondly, we all know that after a few weeks of puffing strong herb it doesn't get you high as it once did if you puff it everyday. This isn't news. I'm just explaining why.

You might be still getting high because your puffing strong resin so of course it will still do something, your receptors aren't going to just go away BUT I bet that your not getting the SAME high from that resin after eating too much cannabis candy as you would if you didn't smoke or eat anything THEN smoked that same resin. This is because of your receptors up-regulating and down-regulating themselves according too how much of a chemical they are bombarded with.

Yes, I smoke herbal resin as well as straight resin when I can, BUT you can still prevent the negative effects from herbal resin by doing certain things and eating certain herbs, drinks(white wine for instance) and foods.

In fact using this method with strong resin will just enhance the effects of the resin.

I'm not here to hate on you for wanting things fast BUT if I'm going to take something I want to get the most out of it, regardless if I have tons of it or little of it. The world isn't going anywhere so I'd rather enjoy every piece of what I have.

DOn't get me wrong sometimes, I just want to go crazy and just do things that effect me right away BUT this isn't going to have a better experience than taking my time and enjoying every part of what I'm doing.

Doing this way gives me a better effect and this applies to more than just herb. I enjoy life as a whole living like this and I find I can observe more than people who need things done fast. They seem to overlook so many things and are always searching for things that are obvious to me but because they're constantly doing big and fast things they aren't observing what's around them properly.

Anyway, do your thing!. I can't make you do something even if it truly works. You're going to do what you want to do. Enjoy yourself. Peace.
 
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Poppinfresh, I couldn't have wrote what you did better, myself.

Thank You for giving that scenario!. Makes a lot of sense. Peace.
 
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I just smoked a 1g in a 3/4 blunt wrap. Puffin slowwly over and over and over, one breath or 2 or 3 in between. Sometimes back to back hits. Personal blunts may **** up your lungs but they definitly get you blazed, and if you dont mind the nicotine it makes weed less sleepy.

Try not to smoke more than a couple a week or you will start getting addicted to tobacco.
 

Sam_Skunkman

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PoppinFresh,
You do not seem to understand that 100mg of THC smoked in slow doses of 10mg each with your breath held will not get you as subjectively high as 75mg taken in one dose.
This is not rocket science just ask other people who smoke both ways, ask Bubbleman, he is a serious smoker. I suspect you do not give big hits a fair chance as your mind is made up already. I have considerable experience with experimenting for the sake of science, but I guess in your book I am not a real scientist, LOL.
When you say that
" the high you get from big rips may not be a genuine marijuana high. It may just be a "glue sniffing" high. I say that because when kids sniff glue, the buzz they get is caused by a lack of oxygen reaching the brain. They don't get high, they get oxygen deprived. Maybe that's why some people think the high is different! No, the high is the same marijuana high. It's just coupled with oxygen deprivation which leads to wooziness and potential chance to faint!"

I don't know what to say, I only hold my big old hits for a few seconds, while you suggest holding little ones for a long time. Which will use up oxygen faster?
Besides the point that I know the difference between oxygen deprivation and getting high with THC. Have you ever even smoked pure THC?
Funny how everyone I talk to that has smoked bubble hash wet or dry sifted, at the Amsterdam Legends of Hashish Dinners agree that smoking huge amounts of bubble hash in a single hit gets them higher then they have ever been on Cannabis. We make bowls with 10-20 grams of bubble, fire them up, make another one and fire it up, make another one and fire it up...... with the flame sometimes reaching the ceiling from the Afghani hubble bubble...
Some people have been known to pass out.

PoppinFresh, you may be right that you prefer small hits, or that small hits are more efficent, but don't try and tell me that small hits get me higher because it ain't so.
Next you will say that vaporizors will get anyone higher then a joint or a bong.
You have no concept of my experience in the Cannabis field, this is obvious.
I have spent the last 30 years researching Cannabis, spending millions of dollars, with many PhD's working with and for me. I would be very surprised to hear that anyone posting in these forums has spent as much time or money researching Cannabis science as I have.
Not that doing so makes big hits better then small, this I know from personal experience, that BIG is better. At least for me and most friends.


Truthman,
Hey I am just stating what I think, I do not take much said on these forum personally, or I try not to. Mostly I try and correct errors.

-SamS
 
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Sam, I see where your coming from, but I think they have a point also.

If you smoked 100 grams to the head, and there is a 70% loss... then your getting 30 grams at one shot...

If you smoke those 100 grams slowly, you would get more THC over a period of time...resulting in being more high.

However smoking 100 grams all at once might give you that bigger KICK since its a larger amount...

If you don't have to conserve any, then there really is no issue. But if you were on a remote desert island with only 100 grams for a week...then I would be taking the smaller, oxygen filled hits myself.
 

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