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[led05]

Oh yes! Amelanchier. I love that plant.
The abundance of early flowers, the sprouting of the soft red young leaves, the shape of the 'tree'. The autumn colors. A true beauty!

Great recommendation!
But these are not the very first. That is Lonicera caerulea var. kamtschatica. I assume you know these as well.

Honeysuckle right? You sure know your temperate climate fruiting trees, I supposedly live in a zone 5B (means coldest is -10 to -15 F each year) but 2 years ago it got down to @ - 25F for a couple days, I lost a lot of fruiting wood on Peaches, Nectarines & some types of Pear and my Japanese Maples took a beating too..


-4 F sounds like a paradise but we're targeting same fruit trees for the most part

 

[~star~crash~]

I'm thinking some of you west coast growers might have an answer for this question ...

can anyone recommend a trusted breeder/source for quality fem seeds in bulk a 200 to 400 seed purchase ???

if so p.m. me please ...peace

 

[slownickel]

Had a great trip through California this time around. Real bummer that a bunch of my avocado growers had serious damage to their farms. Nearly 20% of the avocado trees in California got hit. If you think prices were high before, wait until California gets ready to harvest in a couple of months.

Met a bunch of new growers that have the ability to take it to the next level. Some serious talent out there just dying for a little bit of science.

Met two growers that at the Emerald Cup that had some seriously amazing grows, turns out they both have high levels of Mn in their well water. I knew they had Mn in there somehow, turned out to be in their water! They thought it was a curse too! How funny.

 

[~star~crash~]

for years on sale the Hass avocado's never get below .99 cents each ...there are always mosty $1.50 each & quality varies from ok to good ...size is about a small pear

 

[Arnold.]

So I finally finished reading this thread.

It took me some time!

Since I wanted to approach this like I would study out of a handbook. That means highlighting, writing etc. I copied a lot of interesting parts out of this 350 pages long thread in a word document to be able to print it out and work on it.

I just put it out here, for any (newcomers) that want a quicker shot at the invaluable info.
I mostly copied slow nickel's contributions. But I added some of others as well. I did not clean it so sometimes you will encounter some pieces of other sites, even in Dutch.

www.dropbox.com/s/n8l0pbei67kjk3m/SlowNickel ICMAG.docx?dl=0

You should start working on a book slownickel!

 

[Hermen_eutics]

I'm 1/2 way through my 3rd, reading. I didn't make notes but I sent my sieved sample off to Spectrum today. I requested k3 with results sent to Mike Kraidy. I'm looking forward to more learning that I can put into practice in my small indoor grow.

Thanks for sharing the fantastically valuable, useful experience and information.

 

[slownickel]

Getting a lot of folks writing in telling me of their results. Makes my day to hear from you all.

Many of you now have a chance to distinguish your quality from that of others. It is quite funny to see what people do, grabbing somethings and not others in terms of concepts. I guess it is a bit complicated, but I have tried to keep it simple.

It would be great if folks that have been lurking would write in and telling us all what you did and the results. That way everyone (including me) can learn. That is a tough one no?

Any takers?

 

[Guest]

OK I will start. I added a lot of Gypsum after my soil test based on your recommendations. I also added P in the form of steamed bone meal about 10 days before I used the soil. Have had a very good grow but I have changed several things this grow including pot size and switching to smart pots. One plant late in flower is showing upper leaves of C def but thats really not possible so I think its lock out. I added more powdered gypsum last water and its stopped advancing. Im right at one week to go by the calendar but have not scoped any yet.
Im going to harvest and pull the soil from both of the pots Im using and send a sample to test while its drying.
Want to see the comparison to the test I had before I started.

 

[growingcrazy]

I have a soil test bed that I have been running Your style on and will continue to do so over winter. Want me to start a thread on it and go from there?

Lab J32362 (w17) is what is in the bed... I don't know if you received the results on that one...

 

[led05]

Slow, do you have any experience in enriched co2 environments and ur advanced Ca model? Inside, especially for the winter I like to bread all plants, my winter basement ppm is 1000 avg co2, summmer( I use whole house fans vs AC ) so co2 closer to 400..., this very directly affects everything u do ... u can’t imagine the difference in uptake in minerals, how do u deal w these fluctuations. ?

 

[led05]

Slow, do you have any experience in enriched co2 environments and ur advanced Ca model? Inside, especially for the winter I like to bread all plants, my winter basement ppm is 1000 avg co2, summmer( I use whole house fans vs AC ) so co2 closer to 400..., this very directly affects everything u do ... u can’t imagine the difference in uptake in minerals, how do u deal w these fluctuations. ?

Breed... and whatever spell checks that fuck my correct spelling

 

[slownickel]

I have a soil test bed that I have been running Your style on and will continue to do so over winter. Want me to start a thread on it and go from there?

Lab J32362 (w17) is what is in the bed... I don't know if you received the results on that one...

Yes, start your own thread and post your results.

 

[slownickel]

Slow, do you have any experience in enriched co2 environments and ur advanced Ca model? Inside, especially for the winter I like to bread all plants, my winter basement ppm is 1000 avg co2, summmer( I use whole house fans vs AC ) so co2 closer to 400..., this very directly affects everything u do ... u can’t imagine the difference in uptake in minerals, how do u deal w these fluctuations. ?

Led, sorry, can't help you on the CO2 influence. Surely there are a bunch of guys on this thread that can chip in....

 

[Hermen_eutics]

Guys, I dont have my Spectrum results back yet but based on earlier analyses I'm expecting to see high K, insufficient Ca and insufficient available P.

Way back @Avenger mentioned PSB. Wondered if anyone has used Tainio's Spectrum PSB

Also curious about the usefulness of BioMin Ca powder.

I have a simple, small garden with a few 7 gal pots, using recycled peat based media.

 

[Hermen_eutics]

HAPPY CRIMBLE

 

[calisun]

Happy Holidays all, I got my post grow soil results back. Had a great season. No bugs or mold and the plants looked great. They were a little bigger than last year average 8'x7x8' and looked healthy all the way through. Buds turned out very nice. However the weigh was less than the years previous.
Looking at the soil tests I believe part of the reason the weight wasn't there was because I did not amend with much N at all this year hoping I could supply it with pure protein ( fish powder and vegetable powder) during the grow with foliar and soil drench. Plants looked great but I don't know if that is the best way to go. I know it sounds crazy to say low N affected flowering and it might be let me know your thoughts.
Secondly I noticed my soil took a long time to dry out and it made it more difficult for me to make corrections. I plan on amending with twigs and bark mulch and looking into coco chips as a local place has them for a good price. If anyone used coco chips before I'd love some feedback.
I consciously tried not to use anything with much Mg this year but my levels keep going higher this year. I did use gypsum this year hoping to increase my Ca and decrease my Mg but it looks like only my sulfur went up. My K is a little higher than I would like it and my Mn Zn cu are a little lower than I thought they would be after amending with micros all season. I used chelated minerals maybe mineral sulfates would of been better or showed up more IDK.
Anyway thats it for now. I'll follow up later when I have more time to compare my results with tests years back.
Cheers

 

[Hermen_eutics]

This paper is loaded with interesting data relevant to Ca uptake





Phosphate-Solubilizing Bacteria Nullify the Antagonistic Effect of Soil Calcification on Bioavailability of Phosphorus in Alkaline Soils




Conclusions

Inoculation with phosphate-solubilizing bacteria (PSB) neutralizes the negative effects of soil calcification on the bioavailability of soil phosphorus (P) from mineral, natural and organic fertilizers. PSB released varying amounts of Olsen extractable P from different P sources during incubation. Soil amended with organic P sources released notably higher Olsen extractable P than SSP and RP in both inoculated and control treatments at all incubation intervals except day zero. PSB viability tended to decrease with increasing lime content; however, organic sources of P better supported PSB growth even with increasing lime content. These findings suggest that PSB increases P availability from organic (FYM and PM), natural (RP) and mineral (SSP) P sources in calcareous and non-calcareous alkaline soils. To improve P nutrition, efficiency and crop growth, P should be supplemented with organic sources in addition to PSB inoculation in alkaline and calcareous soils.

 

[slownickel]

Happy Holidays all, I got my post grow soil results back. Had a great season. No bugs or mold and the plants looked great. They were a little bigger than last year average 8'x7x8' and looked healthy all the way through. Buds turned out very nice. However the weigh was less than the years previous.
Looking at the soil tests I believe part of the reason the weight wasn't there was because I did not amend with much N at all this year hoping I could supply it with pure protein ( fish powder and vegetable powder) during the grow with foliar and soil drench. Plants looked great but I don't know if that is the best way to go. I know it sounds crazy to say low N affected flowering and it might be let me know your thoughts.
Secondly I noticed my soil took a long time to dry out and it made it more difficult for me to make corrections. I plan on amending with twigs and bark mulch and looking into coco chips as a local place has them for a good price. If anyone used coco chips before I'd love some feedback.
I consciously tried not to use anything with much Mg this year but my levels keep going higher this year. I did use gypsum this year hoping to increase my Ca and decrease my Mg but it looks like only my sulfur went up. My K is a little higher than I would like it and my Mn Zn cu are a little lower than I thought they would be after amending with micros all season. I used chelated minerals maybe mineral sulfates would of been better or showed up more IDK.
Anyway thats it for now. I'll follow up later when I have more time to compare my results with tests years back.
Cheers

Way too much K in there, some bone meal may have helped had you got it on in time. .

With all that Mg and K, this is why that soil took forever to dry out.

No way that you will see much if any build up of micros using chelates. It usually takes some large quantities of sulfates to achieve balance.

 

[calisun]

Way too much K in there, some bone meal may have helped had you got it on in time. .

With all that Mg and K, this is why that soil took forever to dry out.

No way that you will see much if any build up of micros using chelates. It usually takes some large quantities of sulfates to achieve balance.

Yes I agree on the k and Mg, I don't know why my Mg is so hi as I stayed away from it all season.
At the beginning of flowering I soil drenched with liquid bone meal from a tank with constant agitation and also top dressed with seabird guano 12-12-2 as I do every year.
Maybe because I used extra gypsum this year during veg and beginning of flower and used Ca from baicor in my foliar sprays all that extra Ca created more space for anions and it required way more P to fill the space for maximum potential. IDK i'm still tying to figure it out.

 

[slownickel]

Yes I agree on the k and Mg, I don't know why my Mg is so hi as I stayed away from it all season.
At the beginning of flowering I soil drenched with liquid bone meal from a tank with constant agitation and also top dressed with seabird guano 12-12-2 as I do every year.
Maybe because I used extra gypsum this year during veg and beginning of flower and used Ca from baicor in my foliar sprays all that extra Ca created more space for anions and it required way more P to fill the space for maximum potential. IDK i'm still tying to figure it out.

Do you have a water analysis by chance?