Slownickel lounge, pull up a chair. CEC interpretation

[growingcrazy]

Nobody wants to talk about it, I get it. I don't claim to know shit, but here is one of my basic spread sheets...FWIW. We can converse about ratios, start a new soil balancing thread or do nothing.

Farm on.

 

[slownickel]

Guys,

There are no perfect numbers. Not sure how to put it clearer.

You have what you have and then you make a program up to get closer to where you want to go.

I have seen some real horror stories with folks taking a specific authors recommendations and then dumping on huge quantities of metals. Not good.

Depending on each person and the way they are set up to irrigate, I can put on correctives only if I can prewater to field capacity and then irrigate with fresh water afterwards. However, many don't have that ability.

Those who do have that ability to load up with water and run correctives still don't have perfect numbers afterwards. The reason is soil density and the origin of the materials being used. Much of that worm castings/compost give up more nutrients over time that is NOT being measured in the soil analysis. As well, there is the influence of what is in the water.

I have never seen a perfect analysis even when I get done. That is why we keep running analysis. If you over apply Cu, Mn, Zn or B, overshooting your objective can be very ugly.

First rule, do no harm.

 

[growingcrazy]

What would your opinion be if you were mixing soil for indoor and had the ability to lovingly mix each yard individually?

 

[paradoxlost]

My opinion would be find a forest and go as deep into it s possible than find a log and get buckets of the shit underneath.

 

[growingcrazy]

Already been done. I have a 10 acre peat bog/wetlands on property and a couple thousand acres of forest surrounding... Current mix is entirely sourced on location except for aeration and amendments.

This area was huge for pickles from the 40s up until the 80s when farmers closed up shop because they couldn't control downy and powdery mildew. Testing from numerous locations shows the ground here is almost entirely void of Cu... wonder why they couldn't keep up with the fungus... Micro's take more work than any of the macros...

 

[paradoxlost]

Already been done. I have a 10 acre peat bog/wetlands on property and a couple thousand acres of forest surrounding... Current mix is entirely sourced on location except for aeration and amendments.

This area was huge for pickles from the 40s up until the 80s when farmers closed up shop because they couldn't control downy and powdery mildew. Testing from numerous locations shows the ground here is almost entirely void of Cu... wonder why they couldn't keep up with the fungus... Micro's take more work than any of the macros...

Interesting I wonder if cucumbers suck up coper

 

[MedResearcher]

My opinion would be find a forest and go as deep into it s possible than find a log and get buckets of the shit underneath.

A little off subject, but I was just thinking about something similar while reading people argue about who grows better flowers based on geography.

In Nor Cal, when people still had to hide. They would hike up creeks and canyons, and carve out small patch's to grow in. Then hiking up further and further making new plots. The soil was virgin to agriculture, teaming with bio life, centuries of rocks breaking down to available minerals. The flowers were out of this world, stickier, tastier overall imo, that is why the emerald triangle is still legendary today. Now we just grow a shit ton of decent to good flowers.

Using a smart pot, with brand new mixed soil, growing a huge plant in it. Then repeating every year, adding back as much as possible to attempt to keep up with the demand of the plants. It works, and I agree that balancing the soil and providing ample available nutrients is key to success. Although, at best it is us attempting to reproduce in months what mother nature creates in centuries. People have gotten really good at it, but it will never be the same, as well as the environmental costs.

Flooding a field of smart pots, then flushing in fresh fertilizer to adjust the balance is great for yield but not so great for the local habitat. The product comes out very commercial as well imo. Switching genetics, having something new helps with hiding the commercial quality, but nothing compares to some mother nature added in imo.

Not intended to troll, or start a debate or fight just my opinion on the matter. I do appreciate this thread and the knowledge and results being shared by everyone.

Mr^^

 

[growingcrazy]

Interesting I wonder if cucumbers suck up coper

Not that I have found, not out of the ordinary. I was thinking because of the heavy fungal pressure the plants pulled everything they could, but that's just a guess. I also highly doubt they ever did any micro work on the ground here... all I found were some 30 year old bags of 20-20-20 when I got here.

On a side note, we have been pulling loads of cucs, squash, melons for a couple years without PM stress. I put 20PPA Cu down on our production plots when we did the initial till. Seems to have worked well. I just want to get all the bases as close to dialed as possible. I do know that I run higher numbers for cannabis than vegetables...

A little off subject, but I was just thinking about something similar while reading people argue about who grows better flowers based on geography.

In Nor Cal, when people still had to hide. They would hike up creeks and canyons, and carve out small patch's to grow in. Then hiking up further and further making new plots. The soil was virgin to agriculture, teaming with bio life, centuries of rocks breaking down to available minerals. The flowers were out of this world, stickier, tastier overall imo, that is why the emerald triangle is still legendary today. Now we just grow a shit ton of decent to good flowers.

Using a smart pot, with brand new mixed soil, growing a huge plant in it. Then repeating every year, adding back as much as possible to attempt to keep up with the demand of the plants. It works, and I agree that balancing the soil and providing ample available nutrients is key to success. Although, at best it is us attempting to reproduce in months what mother nature creates in centuries. People have gotten really good at it, but it will never be the same, as well as the environmental costs.

Flooding a field of smart pots, then flushing in fresh fertilizer to adjust the balance is great for yield but not so great for the local habitat. The product comes out very commercial as well imo. Switching genetics, having something new helps with hiding the commercial quality, but nothing compares to some mother nature added in imo.

Not intended to troll, or start a debate or fight just my opinion on the matter. I do appreciate this thread and the knowledge and results being shared by everyone.

Mr^^

That is the true beauty of running the correct system...

No one method is ideal. Incorporate a living soil (real soil) with a system like the one Slow advocates ( high Ca, P and CEC base swings), all calculated with math, chemistry and experience...

Once the nutrition is in balance the natural system can finally do its magic... Don't let yourself get trapped into a one approach system...

Slow isn't talking about flooding a field of smart pots... He is a farmer, in the ground, on large acreage. His methods are spot on for large scale soil correction... The end user is required to figure out what he is accomplishing and then how to make that happen on what they have in front of them...

Farming acres or farming square feet, it is still farming.

 

[Guest]

Well I'm closing in on the end of my small grow that's got added gypsum and been top dressed with it as well. Around January 1. I will dump my used soil from the smart pots together and mix and send a sample to spectrum to see what the results are. Also added extra steamed bone meal after test came back and have been feeding liquid bone meal, liquid kelp, and last two weeks very small amount of potassium sulfate. Start of week 6 today. I am very curious how the tests come back. Will post the before and after test side by side.

 

[slownickel]

Emerald Cup First Place CO2 concentrate

Emerald Cup First Place CO2 concentrate

Hats of to Greenhands13, the Lassen brothers. First place at the Emerald Cup for the amazing Sunset Sherbert!

Wish Easygoing had stuck his diamond extract into the mix, pretty sure he would have been in the top 3! Easy had 6 varieties, huge flower, rock hard! mmmmm mmm good!

Great job guys! I guess some of those field concepts work in this biz too!

 

[slownickel]

A little off subject, but I was just thinking about something similar while reading people argue about who grows better flowers based on geography.

In Nor Cal, when people still had to hide. They would hike up creeks and canyons, and carve out small patch's to grow in. Then hiking up further and further making new plots. The soil was virgin to agriculture, teaming with bio life, centuries of rocks breaking down to available minerals. The flowers were out of this world, stickier, tastier overall imo, that is why the emerald triangle is still legendary today. Now we just grow a shit ton of decent to good flowers.

Using a smart pot, with brand new mixed soil, growing a huge plant in it. Then repeating every year, adding back as much as possible to attempt to keep up with the demand of the plants. It works, and I agree that balancing the soil and providing ample available nutrients is key to success. Although, at best it is us attempting to reproduce in months what mother nature creates in centuries. People have gotten really good at it, but it will never be the same, as well as the environmental costs.

Flooding a field of smart pots, then flushing in fresh fertilizer to adjust the balance is great for yield but not so great for the local habitat. The product comes out very commercial as well imo. Switching genetics, having something new helps with hiding the commercial quality, but nothing compares to some mother nature added in imo.

Not intended to troll, or start a debate or fight just my opinion on the matter. I do appreciate this thread and the knowledge and results being shared by everyone.

Mr^^

Ask anyone at the Emerald Cup if they have ever seen anything like what Greenhands13 and Easygoing are producing. The bar has been raised!

Meds, what you are describing along stream beds is what we all bottom land. The most fertile soils and some of the highest Ca soils that can be found! Yet, adding more Ca dialed in by some calculations and folks get to see something even better!

Stay tuned!

 

[EasyGoing]

Thanks SlowN! Greenhands and Lassen bro's are a light year above me, but honored to be in the same conversation as those boys. Believe it or not, but I bet my boy, my 100$ against his 10$ that Lassen would win the competition........ Guess what? First Place!!!!!!!!!! I am going to frame that 10$ and send it to the Lassen boys. It's nice to be vindicated, I have been knowing the Lassen boys are on a different level, then Kraidy came along and pushed them into the stratosphere.

I really wanted to enter the competitions, but I had a crazy hard year this year. I grew so much for one person, I didn't stand a chance getting any of it done by the cut off dates. Then I did all my own packaging and branding. Thanks for the compliment on my Diamonds. My best seller at the show at 100$ a gram, been getting a really good feedback on those diamonds on IG as well. People are saying it's one of the best concentrates they have ever tried.

So, how did "foothill flounder" figure it all out? The answer is clear, high calcium with balanced minerals. SlowN spits truth, without an agenda. Thank you Slown for bring up cannabis farmers to the next level. Now, 2018, lets get the infrastructure set up for large crops of high quality and don't look back.

 

[HappyTreeFarm]

Amazing Amazing work EasyGoing! Not a lot of people understand how much it really takes to grow exceptional herb and do all the marketing and branding, logistics and packaging. Getting your names out there is just as important as growing the tops! Those "Diamonds" are some amazing stuff! Terps exploding out of the container. Also that Chalk white budder I've never seen anything like that. Great Job!
Greenhands winning the Co2 cup goes without question, the terp profile on the sunset sherbet was the best I've ever tasted by far. Amazing work by both crews! Keep it up boys stoked to see what 2018 has in store for everyone here.

 

[EasyGoing]

Last year I kept a jar of herb from Ganja Rebel as inspiration. I looked at it almost everyday, telling myself I will get there. This year I brought home three jars of Lassen. Triple the inspiration! Honestly, two years in a row the best buds I have seen! Not since Hassan in high school have I seen that quality in herbs. Speaking of which, 2018 will be the return of Hassan!

 

[reppin2c]

Congrats. Another W for gypsum.

When all you guys are talking about metals...your welcome

 

[slownickel]

A win for real science, not just gypsum. These guys have all taken it to the next level!

Also met a bunch of other growers who are sleepers on this forum but found me at the Hazy/Lassen complex, hats off to you all for following through using science! Great meeting you all!

 

[Avenger]

Nice, congrats on the achievement Greenhands13!

 

[~star~crash~]

hey are there any pictures to be seen anywhere of all this gold you gentleman are speaking so highly about??

 

[GreenHands13]

Thanks Guys! I really appreciate it. I still am kinda in shock over the whole thing. I really didn't see it coming. I wasn't even at the award ceremonies lol. Big thanks to slow N you are a good man and I appreciate you. You as well easygoing you have given me a lot of encouagment the last couple years and it is also very much appreciated.

 

[calisun]

Good Job GreenHands
Congrats