Little bit but I have sprayed kombucha at 3.5. A one plant trial ain’t no thing though. Thanks
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Little bit but I have sprayed kombucha at 3.5. A one plant trial ain’t no thing though. Thanks
As much as I would like to say high Ca saves the day, I believe it has a lot more to do with metals, zinc, copper and manganese.
One grower this season had high Ca, well over 75% and yet lots of mildew. He never got close to the Cu and Mn that he needed. His pH was reasonable too. Problem was way too much Fe.
Again, many times linear thinking doesn't work in agriculture.
Rodehazrd
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If you don't mind sharing what metal sources you used?
I got my k3 results back and they are pretty wack.. like really fucky and hot.
I used promix this time and about 25% old mix which was peat but not promix.
For Ca, the old mix was plenty of caco and gypsum, close to coot mix overall. the new mix added only gypsum, to keep pH down, to the tune of about 2cups per cubic foot, plus plenty of bone meal, new and digested, and some fish bone meal. pH ended up at 6.9.
I used promix this time and about 25% old mix which was peat but not promix.
For Ca, the old mix was plenty of caco and gypsum, close to coot mix overall. the new mix added only gypsum, to keep pH down, to the tune of about 2cups per cubic foot, plus plenty of bone meal, new and digested, and some fish bone meal. pH ended up at 6.9.
MicroPak from AEA is what I used until I ran out. I added Mn and Cu sulfate to this mix.
Then I just mixed sulfates with humics.
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TheOutlawTree
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Anyone have any experience spraying Cease / double Nickell 55 for mold prevention? I've been tank mixing the two at low dose, spraying every 4th day. I like to water regalia into the soil.
I've been dealing with 90+% humidity in my greenhouse - not a speck of PM but botrytis is definitely around
I've been dealing with 90+% humidity in my greenhouse - not a speck of PM but botrytis is definitely around
If you are in soil, get a soil sample and balance the metals.
paradoxlost
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If you're shooting for high calcium, what ratio would you want of those and what levels. I have seen you say in this thread you do injections of 400 ppm of Mn (if i remember correctly) and than would want a Mn:Fe of 1:1. Zn I imagine would me much higher, but how high
No, not 400 ppms at one time... NO.... Ideally you can work from 1 Mn to 2 Fe... 1 to 1 is even better.
Zinc would never be higher than Mn... not even close.
Zn should be about 10 to 12% of P.
G
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In a bit of what if, what would a soil report from Spectrum look like as far as all the numbers look like if you could pencil in the numbers you would think as just about perfect ?
Or can you share one that comes as close as you have had that is just right as far as your previous grows.
Doesn't work that way. Balance your soil based on your CEC, pH and nutrient levels. Every soil has an appropriate balance of nutrition.
It would seem that a good bit of growers haven't looked at the Soloman worksheets...
http://soilanalyst.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/WorksheetRevision-03.pdf
Go to the bottom of the page and you can find the different soil worksheets. These will give someone with no idea of good soil numbers a chance to get on the road to recovery.
Balance is key...
Slow posted way back .1gr Cu, .2gr B, .3gr Zn, 1gr Mn. That equals something like 8 Cu, 6 B, 27 Zn and 85 Mn ppm per gallon... Is that accurate slow?
Get your soil elements all in balance, feed with a nutrient profile that matches your soils balance...
How much Cu is in your soil and what is the pH? Chances are you will need to spray...acetate or glycine will work so whichever is easiest for you to get.
Ca 75% at least, k 4 or below...yea?
PAR 800 or above (concern is nitrate not converting to protein)
plantingplants
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I think they were referring to this:
Read what I wrote carefully. Injecting into field capacity. And then watering in.
Let's set this straight.
Field Capacity. That means soaking wet. Then applying the dosage mentioned. Then watering it in.
Even with that said, how did many interpret this? Inject 400 ppms with their water directly. No field capacity and no watering in afterwards. What I described is a method to get deep penetration through the water channels which are saturated allowing for flow pushed by more water.
Big difference.
Many though don't have the ability to do this. Run through for one, they are in a closet or in many cases outdoors and have a hose they walk through that injects fertilizers while they water. No water up front and no water after.
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Correct. This is a program for watering one specific light mix, directly, (without bringing a soil to field capacity ie wet) which if applied right should mean at least pushing with some fresh water afterwards.
Yes, Steve Solomon and Erica Reinheimer's worksheets are reasonable, the soilanalst.org which is run by Erica to my understanding and not Steve, is a mish mash of several influences (including mine pgs 221, 235 and 281 in their "Intelligent Gardener") even though Erica is only recently warming up to balancing metals a little more aggressively and in better proportions and still doesn't understand Ca nor Mg. Even Solomon doesn't agree with Erica's gypsum recommendations, haha... Realize that most of what these folks write is obviously influenced by where they are standing. Erica is in beach sand to my understanding. She and I don't see eye to eye very well.
I love all these authors to death as they are showing a glimpse of the right direction, however, there is not enough real science or understanding in what they often write. Yes, I agree that anyone that gets you to use more Calcium is going to change your day, however, as you so rightly put it, is all about balance. Push Ca up high and don't balance the rest, that is not a trial. That is stupid.
If you are in Maui with a soil that has 1:3 Fe/Mn ratio, you don't apply Mn! If you are in a 3:1/ Fe/Mn you don't apply Fe, and with that said there are obviously min and max numbers where you don't apply any more of anything!
Earlier this week, Steve S and I chatted about Fe/Mn ratios with a client of his in Tasmania. They had run Spectrum analysis per the Spectrum methodology (which I don't use) and the Fe/Mn ratios were the following:
Fe Mn
32 81
66.1 41
57.5 80
What would you do?
When he got my recommendations for this soil I told him the numbers were wrong, to apply Mn.
What were the numbers when I run them based on 30 years at the game?
The one sample that was Fe/Mn 66.1/41 became Fe/Mn 133/14.6 (they just did one to see what would happen). The rest will be run next week I imagine.
Here is what Steve wrote to his client and CC'd me.
"Anthony, Mike was right, as I expected. Very cool, Mike, that you could anticipate from the 5 min soak what the 30 min soak would reveal. Clearly, we're going to use 30 min for all WA samples. Thanks for that.
Steve"
When I had them both on a skype call, I told them there was a very easy way to settle this that they could do in 2 seconds, put a magnet on the ground and tell me what color the soil is. The soil was red and guess what, the soil and rocks stuck to the magnet. Turns out there are iron ore mines nearby.
The M3 procedure, unless modified the way I like it with 30 minutes shake times and applying the discounting of pH and OM on Mn, you won't figure it out unless I told you. That is why Spectrum has the K-series of analysis for anyone that wants to use it. That is why I tell you all to use it, just trying to help. I hear some already asking, how did I get that 30 minute time number? I tested it and figured it out! Real scientific investigation, not bro science or copied from a book.
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Dr. Jidoka,
Congratulations, you are getting closer. And in what CEC would you recommend that partial base distribution?
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