Skunk & Black Afghani x Maruf Kandahar

[Tsubaki30]

With larger pots you would also have to veg them longer.

I think the 7 litre pot size is ok but longer veg might have helped a little bit

Some of them are growing really nice chunky buds

How is the resin content on the Hades?

Are they smelling yet? any smells developing?

 

[Salva]

With larger pots you would also have to veg them longer.

I think the 7 litre pot size is ok but longer veg might have helped a little bit

Some of them are growing really nice chunky buds

How is the resin content on the Hades?

Are they smelling yet? any smells developing?

I gave them 4 weeks of growth from germination to 12/12. The Skunks have grown quite a bit, but the other pure indicas have stayed small. I'd say the Skunks have more resin. I think they still have a lot to say. It said they would be ready in 8-10 weeks, but there aren't any at 8, and I'd say there aren't any at 9 either. They have a faint smell, but I don't know what it is. I don't recognize the smell of Skunk. These pure indicas are leafy. I like the Skunks better; they have more of a sativa structure.

 

[mack 10]

Bigger pots usually always better, not always though.
Interesting phenos showing up.
The Affies look very similar with the skunk having a few phenos.
Keep the updates coming.

 

[mack 10]

Remember the Affies have been selected over many years for Hash production,So the look of the flower doesn't matter to them,
They looking at resin content
Rather than fine sinsemilla.

 

[nick11]

I gave them 4 weeks of growth from germination to 12/12. The Skunks have grown quite a bit, but the other pure indicas have stayed small. I'd say the Skunks have more resin. I think they still have a lot to say. It said they would be ready in 8-10 weeks, but there aren't any at 8, and I'd say there aren't any at 9 either. They have a faint smell, but I don't know what it is. I don't recognize the smell of Skunk. These pure indicas are leafy. I like the Skunks better; they have more of a sativa structure.

As you already know indicas take a long veg due to no stretch. I'm not sure if bigger would've been better just check the roots after harvest and see if any look rootbound

 

[Salva]

Here we go with the problems. Ugly leaves, yellow leaves, burnt tips, spots... Maximum temperature over 25, minimum over 17, humidity over 40%, pH 6.2, EC as indicated on the nutrient table. Watering 1 liter every three days. Fertilizer with each watering.

 

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7 weeks 12/12

 

[Tsubaki30]

Here we go with the problems. Ugly leaves, yellow leaves, burnt tips, spots... Maximum temperature over 25, minimum over 17, humidity over 40%, pH 6.2, EC as indicated on the nutrient table. Watering 1 liter every three days. Fertilizer with each watering.

That could be salt build up from the mineral nutrients you’re using since you use them every time you water your plants

With mineral/salt based nutrients it’s adviced to use plain water once a week with good run out to prevent salt build up in the grow medium



Have you measured the EC of your watering run out? Is it higher than the nutrient solution’s that you pour in?

So if your run out EC is higher than your feed’s then it’s better to flush the grow medium very well with very mild nutrient solution – with like 5% strength of normal feed - till you get the run out EC to drop

 

[Salva]

That could be salt build up from the mineral nutrients you’re using since you use them every time you water your plants

With mineral/salt based nutrients it’s adviced to use plain water once a week with good run out to prevent salt build up in the grow medium



Have you measured the EC of your watering run out? Is it higher than the nutrient solution’s that you pour in?

So if your run out EC is higher than your feed’s then it’s better to flush the grow medium very well with very mild nutrient solution – with like 5% strength of normal feed - till you get the run out EC to drop

I haven't measured the drainage EC because it doesn't drain, nor had I thought it necessary, fertilizing according to the table. I haven't watered once a week as you say because it's not indicated in the table either. The manufacturer said to add fertilizer daily. It could easily be what you're saying...

 

[nick11]

They look good man from here. I wouldnt worry about fan leaves the plants look happy and yield looks good

 

[Salva]

They look good man from here. I wouldnt worry about fan leaves the plants look happy and yield looks good

Yes, the production is fine, but I'm going to water them with just water and measure the drainage EC, as my friend says.

 

[Tsubaki30]

I haven't measured the drainage EC because it doesn't drain, nor had I thought it necessary, fertilizing according to the table. I haven't watered once a week as you say because it's not indicated in the table either. The manufacturer said to add fertilizer daily. It could easily be what you're saying...

When you use salt based feed you need to see good run out after watering your plants, so that older salt build up gets washed out a little bit. Run out after watering is even more important with salt nutes than organic bottle stuff.

I noticed Canna doesn’t mention plain water/super mild feed once a week, which was a cardinal rule 25 years a go with salt based nutrients. Same with many other companies too, they don’t talk about salt build up even thou they recommend high EC levels with their salt nutes.

I use bottled organics in soil and still i give plants plain water at least once a week and these won’t build up in the soil as fast as salt nutes do, but organic stuff also cause build up in the medium


If you don’t water so that you see run out..

It got me thinking that is the medium moist enough right after watering? and that part of the yellowing could be caused by underwatering

So when the plants need watering start giving them a larger amount so that you see nice run out off the bottom of the pot. This way they the plants get a large enough drink and the medium gets washed out a bit every time



So first thing is to give the medium a little flush with plain water and once you’re done flushing give them a feed that is 50% of the normal level . Allow the soil to dry little bit before next watering so you won’t run into root rot issues right after flushing

It’s probably largely caused by the salt build up that your plants got over fed and are quite dark in color but landrace based genetics and also Skunk1 don’t need a feed that is very strong, they’re mild (hades) to mild/medium (skunk1) feeders. So maybe you can also cut some nutrients out of the feed, at least 25% of what you’re feeding now

Having the nutrient solution mild enough also prevents salt build up in the future


If you use the full amount of nutrients, as Canna recommends in their feed chart, then you can probably cut 1/3 of that amount , maybe even little more

To give you an idea, If we talk EC numbers, Hades genetics would do just fine with EC of 1.2 or so - The Skunk1 in the EC 1.2-1.4 range.

But Canna’s chart has maximum EC of 1.9 – 2.3 so at maximum strength it’s almost double what the Hades actually need. Do some calculations on how much you can drop your nutrient strength but i think it can come down little bit

I hope things look better in couple of days

 

[Salva]

That could be salt build up from the mineral nutrients you’re using since you use them every time you water your plants

With mineral/salt based nutrients it’s adviced to use plain water once a week with good run out to prevent salt build up in the grow medium



Have you measured the EC of your watering run out? Is it higher than the nutrient solution’s that you pour in?

So if your run out EC is higher than your feed’s then it’s better to flush the grow medium very well with very mild nutrient solution – with like 5% strength of normal feed - till you get the run out EC to drop

Irrigation water EC 1.0, drainage water EC about 3.5. This is indeed higher than the previous irrigation EC. Wow, I feel cheated by the Canna chart. So what now? Can this be fixed, or is it better to start over? I already said I'd never fertilized them this much. At 1.8 EC throughout flowering with each watering. It doesn't sound like much, but I should have alternated one with water and one with fertilizer, draining them with each watering. And even then, we'd see how it turned out. So what do I do? Throw them away?

 

[Salva]

They were fine two weeks ago. Maybe a root flush mid-flowering would have been enough. That, and with a lower EC, around 1.5-1.6, which is the low end of the chart, they wouldn't be like this.

 

[Tsubaki30]

No don’t throw them away they’re closing finish anyways

Water them with the EC 1.0 nutrient solution this week then you can make the feed even milder - 50% of the EC 1.0. all they need is few more weeks till harvest and they don’t need that much food anymore

The leaves will look even more yellow in few weeks but don’t worry about that the plants will still finish nicely

When i grow in soil i stop giving nutrients about 30 days before i harvest my plants to get them yellowing so that i get a smoother smoking bud. Soil will hold a good amount of nutrients for next few weeks till the plants start yellowing little by little





I understand you’re upset. I find it strange that salt nutrient companies aren’t talking about the salt build up and Canna isn’t the only one

- Next grow with Canna or any salt nutrients, have the EC value at 1.4 – 1.6 maximum. If EC 1.4 seems fine then go with that. Landrace genetics need even less than 1.4 EC

- Keep monitoring the run out EC if it rises to higher level than what you put in

- plain water every third watering with good amount of run out

- a flush or two during the flowering cycle like you were thinking in your post. Franco from Greenhouse Seeds used to do a flush or two during bloom to really rinse out those old salts off the soil