Size does matter!

[jrosek]

Here is a 4-600 set up that puts out 2.5-3lbs every 2 weeks depending on strain....

 

[jrosek]

here is a 4k set up that does 3.5 -4.5 lbs every 2 weeks depending on strain...

 

[killerweed31]

woh man so good setup nice plant and looks a professional job, i like the reflector u use, for sure you get some crispy bud, i watching this thread for sure!!!

 

[Emperor Herer]

jrosek!

Great deal. I looked in on your album... dude.

Thanks for all you have contributed, I have doubled my brain size just because of you. I keep seeing those light looking like they are right on top of the ... tops. Are they air-cooled? I didnt see the HVAC running... maybe just really good ventilation?

Man, I wanna be THAT room when i grow up!

 

[Teeg420]

Hey Chef from what I have read you run 4 plants per a light in #10's. I just grabbed a bag of the roots organic soil its 1.5 cf which is 10 gallons. They recomend cutting the top off and poking holes and planting directly in it. Have you tried this method yet? It seems I would be able to save some time when transplanting not having to scrub pots and filling them.

4 plants for a 1k sounds like the plan.

Jroseek - Nice plants! It looks like you have a method/system that works for you, good job.

When running my vertical garden I did notice the bud denisty was smaller than that of a horizontal grow.

Do you have mildew problems with the plants in that tight of space? How many hours does it take you to take clones for one light/bed. I take it you stagger your harvest to help reduce the workload at one time.

Your numbers sound great how come the old hoods? Not knocking your set up if aint broke dont fix it but it seems like your hoods could use an upgrade. Are they vertical parabolic?

 

[jrosek]

thanks man,
no mold problems what so ever, we run lots of air transfer.
these are shots of people i haved helped over the yrs.. not my grows.
they all run 2 week perpetual grows. 80 clones every 2 weeks takes less than 1 hour.
the hoods are sunsoakers and vertizontals.. there is a shot there with and old quadray that was replaced long time ago.
i have never found a better hood than the sunsoaker for large sog's.. there is no upgrade to be had bro.. they are a bit dusty from the concrete dust when they built the room, however the inside is brand new.
thanks for looking

 

[Dorje113]

Hey Chef from what I have read you run 4 plants per a light in #10's. I just grabbed a bag of the roots organic soil its 1.5 cf which is 10 gallons. They recomend cutting the top off and poking holes and planting directly in it. Have you tried this method yet? It seems I would be able to save some time when transplanting not having to scrub pots and filling them.

4 plants for a 1k sounds like the plan.

Jroseek - Nice plants! It looks like you have a method/system that works for you, good job.

When running my vertical garden I did notice the bud denisty was smaller than that of a horizontal grow.

Do you have mildew problems with the plants in that tight of space? How many hours does it take you to take clones for one light/bed. I take it you stagger your harvest to help reduce the workload at one time.

Your numbers sound great how come the old hoods? Not knocking your set up if aint broke dont fix it but it seems like your hoods could use an upgrade. Are they vertical parabolic?

4 per 1k is what I'm doing these days. However, 1 bag of soil per plant isn't enough. 2 would be a minimum, 4 would be even better. Check out smart pots, they make a 20 gal model.

What was the name of this thread again?

Right now I allot about 20-25 sq ft per 1k but 30 is probably better.

My yields are about 75% of what jro posted, but I use less plants, and I think I can get darn close to his yields are with the new 30 sq ft. area I'm testing. We'll see... Of course, I'm no defoliator, I use pretty much all training methods in a completely random way depending on what the plants tell me, or at least what I imagine they do.

It takes some veg time too, so you'll need about 1k veg for each 3k flowering. Depending on strains... some fast growers don't need nearly as much veg time.

 

[dubbalicious]

Hey J, you revive this thread or what?? I remember being pissed when you bounced during this thread last time, good to see you spreading the love brotha!! peace

 

[jrosek]

Hey J, you revive this thread or what?? I remember being pissed when you bounced during this thread last time, good to see you spreading the love brotha!! peace

Hey dubb.. revive? nah...
I had some spare time last couple weeks and forgot how much i like this thread and the people involved! Kids will be home tonight so its most likely back to the closet! lol i will stay around more though.
You need to post up how well your beds do with naked girls Dubb, support the cause brother! haha
Peace, J

 

[chef]

Hey Teeg
I was always running & washing out lol smart pots so I never used'em, they should work fine tho.
Now I'm running 4 per 1k in my finish zones, they get flipped @ 6 per 1k blue Horti MH for a few weeks, then moved under the Horti supers & then UVB added for 4hrs mid-day the last 4-5wks. All 4sq ft per plant (2'x2')
My MH flipzone is a Vertizontal (nice hoods), my HPS's are oldskool blazin' Verts!

Jro nailed it on Vert grows... a bunch of hassle for a bunch of fluff!

RE: Heath, internet miracles are easy to create! lol I call bullshit!
RE: Krusty, now he rocks it!

 

[dubbalicious]

Ok, got all caught up on the thread since it kinda stopped, Chef thanks for keeping it going! I love reading everyones points for which system and or style is the best. I again think its all what your comfortable with and what works for you. For sake of argument, I gotta say the leaf tucking thing just doesnt make sense to ME, if your gonna tuck it under to where its not blocking and or getting light, whats the dif?? Its gonna die from light dep., so why not just take it, I hear a lot of folks that are against taking the leaves off, yet I look at there pics and they have stripped all the lower branches, like that doesnt cause stress? Just MY, jack of all trades, master of NOTHING!! peace dubba

 

[chef]

4 per 1k is what I'm doing these days. However, 1 bag of soil per plant isn't enough. 2 would be a minimum, 4 would be even better. Check out smart pots, they make a 20 gal model.

What was the name of this thread again?

Right now I allot about 20-25 sq ft per 1k but 30 is probably better.

My yields are about 75% of what jro posted, but I use less plants, and I think I can get darn close to his yields are with the new 30 sq ft. area I'm testing. We'll see... Of course, I'm no defoliator, I use pretty much all training methods in a completely random way depending on what the plants tell me, or at least what I imagine they do.

It takes some veg time too, so you'll need about 1k veg for each 3k flowering. Depending on strains... some fast growers don't need nearly as much veg time.

The comfortable thing is important, not everyone is out to max out everything.

I'm still testing 7's n 10's, the 7 SP's are actually 8-9gal & the 10's are 12+. I just got some of my own 10's (new biz) I have to measure'em still, lookin large tho... big ass footprint

My goal is to burn these up in 75days max & I run crazy hybrids in a real hot mix. In my testing, beyond these oversized 10's seems to be a waste within that timeframe. YMMV??? but I don't really see how? Short of CO2, I run these things at full throttle
I've also made some big improvements in "plant size per pot, before getting rootbound" via my soil mix. Thanks in part to this thread... jro's input on running pure perlite (really got me thinkin & testin) & mediums playing a much bigger role than I realized. It's pretty huge!

Love those SOG pics, like a bed o nails

 

[Dorje113]

The comfortable thing is important, not everyone is out to max out everything.

I'm still testing 7's n 10's, the 7 SP's are actually 8-9gal & the 10's are 12+. I just got some of my own 10's (new biz) I have to measure'em still, lookin large tho... big ass footprint

My goal is to burn these up in 75days max & I run crazy hybrids in a real hot mix. In my testing, beyond these oversized 10's seems to be a waste within that timeframe. YMMV??? but I don't really see how? Short of CO2, I run these things at full throttle
I've also made some big improvements in "plant size per pot, before getting rootbound" via my soil mix. Thanks in part to this thread... jro's input on running pure perlite (really got me thinkin & testin) & mediums playing a much bigger role than I realized. It's pretty huge!

Love those SOG pics, like a bed o nails

I also use beds, so rootboundedness isn't an issue, but I can see how using a hotter mix will decrease the need for soil volume. I use a pretty gentle mix and larger volume of soil.

I also think that the less soil you use the more precise you need to be with your feeding program, and the quicker your nute levels and pH can change, so it's just easier to grow in more soil.

I'm trying out the 20 gal SP filled 3/4 of the way up with soil too. Since the plants are pretty big and really vigorous going into flowering, one of them, a Sour Diesel, sucked down all the N in just a few days after going into flower, a larger volume of soil helps keep nute and pH levels steady.

I use 25% peat, 25% perlite, and 50% organic potting soil, tried 1/2 roots and 1/2 fox farm last time, it's a pretty light mix and I have to water the 20 gal smart pots every 3rd day or so.

I envy being able to SOG though, it takes more effort to grow ~1 plant per sq meter than 10, IMO.

 

[Teeg420]

Thanks for the answers chef! I look forward trying this method out 4 plants in #7's per a light.

 

[Dorje113]

Thanks for the answers chef! I look forward trying this method out 4 plants in #7's per a light.

7s and 4 per light you'll be watering every day in a decently light mix.

 

[chef]

I water every hour lights on

 

[Dorje113]

I water every hour lights on

really? automatic system I guess? I've always gone by the wet > dry cycle... so your soil mix stays wet all the time with no issues?

 

[chef]

Kind of a hybrid method/system. Fabric pots, lots of perlite, big & fine pumice, peat & lots of hot organic meals etc.
These 90day cycle plants chug a gallon a day at peak. Big wattage & RH in the high 30's promotes it even more so. Burnin fuel!

 

[Dorje113]

Kind of a hybrid method/system. Fabric pots, lots of perlite, big & fine pumice, peat & lots of hot organic meals etc.
These 90day cycle plants chug a gallon a day at peak. Big wattage & RH in the high 30's promotes it even more so. Burnin fuel!

Yup, a gallon a day sounds right, I just give my 20 gal pots 3 gal water at a time

I'm giving a plug 'n grow co2/temp/rh controller a test in a couple systems too. I like it so far, combined with a few other tweaks.... but it does go through about $50 of bottled co2 / mo. running a single 1k, bigger systems are running natural gas generators...

 

[chef]

Cool I'm saving the CO2 for last, it's a gimme

Working on maxing out everything else first. just about there & I can scale this system x6 plants to infinity...