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well the first thing i would say is that its some sort of nute deficiency, (as anyone would tell you) but you may need to get expert advice. you only got 23 posts sop you cant pm anyone in specific yet, and trust me i know what it means to have sick plants after so much good care. you just cant get the WTF outta your mind until you get answers or its resolved.
i will pm "mynamestitch" for you. that cat really knows what he/shes talking about as far as sick plants , and normally gets to you rather quickly with a response. hopefully the dialog alone could put you over the 50 mark and you can really get things crackin for your grow.
not to say anything is wrong with this forum but the responses aren't fast enough when you got things happening in real time!! you can wait but your plants cant, so hence you cant.
hold on helps on the way
i will pm "mynamestitch" for you. that cat really knows what he/shes talking about as far as sick plants , and normally gets to you rather quickly with a response. hopefully the dialog alone could put you over the 50 mark and you can really get things crackin for your grow.
not to say anything is wrong with this forum but the responses aren't fast enough when you got things happening in real time!! you can wait but your plants cant, so hence you cant.
hold on helps on the way
lol Friend; Thanks, funny you mention me and I posted right after you! lol
What lighting are you using and how close is it? What is the canopy and room temps?
Like core said; can you please give us more information about your grow?
I also may see some pest's left over marks..... sqiggly lines and possibly white spots.... I can't tell really well but it looks like white spots and in the last pic some squiggly lines.
Well time for me to hit the hay; night peeps!
SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered?
When was your last water?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?
HYDROPONICS:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
What lighting are you using and how close is it? What is the canopy and room temps?
Like core said; can you please give us more information about your grow?
I also may see some pest's left over marks..... sqiggly lines and possibly white spots.... I can't tell really well but it looks like white spots and in the last pic some squiggly lines.
Well time for me to hit the hay; night peeps!
SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using? (SOG, SCROG etc)
What size pots are you using? (Include how many subjects to pot)
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?)
What Nutrient's are you using?How much of each? *Knowing the brand is very helpful*
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used?
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"?
What method of pH test was administered?
When was your last water?
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding?
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor? (Relative Humidity)
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched?
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when?
Are plant's infected with pest's?
HYDROPONICS:
What STRAIN are you growing?
What was the establishing technique? (Were the seed or clone?)
What is the age of your plants?
What PHASE are the plants in? (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in?
What Technique are you using?
What substrate/medium are you using?(Hydroton, RockWool etc.)
What is the Water temperature?
What Nutrient's are you using? How much of each if using multiple?
What is the TDS/EC/PPM you are using?
What is the pH of the "Tank"?
Are you sure your calibration is correct on your equiptment?
When was your last watering?
When was your last feeding change? (ie. grow-bloom-micro-additional)
What size bulb are you using?
What is the distance to the canopy?
What is your RH Factor?
What is the canopy temperature?
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include flucutaion range)
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.)
Is the fan blowing directly at plants?
Is your water HARD or SOFT?
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned off of or pinched
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so, What and When?
Are plant's infected with pest's
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If your equipment is not calibrated you will not get an accurate reading.....
when was the last time you calibrated it?
those T5 will not cause heat stress so the canopy temps is no worry.
How often are you checking ppms and ph?
You using anything else besides nutrients? Any additives?
Do you know if your water is hard or soft? check tap water PPMs?
I will agree with Core; this has to be either ph related or micronutrient issue......
You are only using your grow formula..... no micronutrients..
You running the bubbler? DWC?
are you using RO water? distilled?
I would also check your plants underside leaves for pests, because I don't know if it's just the picture but I seen white spots on those leaves including some squiggly lines.
when was the last time you calibrated it?
those T5 will not cause heat stress so the canopy temps is no worry.
How often are you checking ppms and ph?
You using anything else besides nutrients? Any additives?
Do you know if your water is hard or soft? check tap water PPMs?
I will agree with Core; this has to be either ph related or micronutrient issue......
You are only using your grow formula..... no micronutrients..
You running the bubbler? DWC?
are you using RO water? distilled?
I would also check your plants underside leaves for pests, because I don't know if it's just the picture but I seen white spots on those leaves including some squiggly lines.
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Depending on the pests yes, mites damage plants it looks like you got mites by the way it looks like it.... you do not have any bugs that fly do you? Look underside the leaves.... bugs cause all kinds of damage; by the looks of it looks like you had mites for a while..... check to make sure but I am 100% sure you do.
Mr wags: I was thinking it was to much light at first too, because if you think about it....
it's only doing it to new growths; N P K issues happens on semi older stuff; rare micro nutrient def affect newer to semi newer growths..... but could also affect older leaves like mag,
His leaves crumble like it is a heat issue thats why I asked him.....
What lighting are you using and how close is it? What is the canopy and room temps?
Cause at first sight it did look like direct heat.....
One thing I will defiantly say is he does have pests which he needs to get that resolved also.
it's only doing it to new growths; N P K issues happens on semi older stuff; rare micro nutrient def affect newer to semi newer growths..... but could also affect older leaves like mag,
His leaves crumble like it is a heat issue thats why I asked him.....
What lighting are you using and how close is it? What is the canopy and room temps?
Cause at first sight it did look like direct heat.....
One thing I will defiantly say is he does have pests which he needs to get that resolved also.
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Well first I would get rid of the pest's. Pests do all kinds of things to plants and even attract other unwanted pests.
Have you checked your leaves very good?
Also have you checked for bugs that fly?
Have you checked your leaves very good?
Also have you checked for bugs that fly?
Hps light on hides a lot of issues can you take one without the hps light on?
Are these plants indoors or outdoors?
Micronutrient issues cause distored twisted leaves like that.......
You feeding them anything recently?
WHat are the canopy temps and are these plants exposed to cold and hot temps?
Micronutrient issues cause distored twisted leaves like that.......
You feeding them anything recently?
WHat are the canopy temps and are these plants exposed to cold and hot temps?
To much temp flucuation I have seen this before, thats why I asked if they were in cold to warm and back and forth temps.... they cause the lighter green color you see too...... you need to keep them in stable temps not letting them go up and down like that......
How big are these plants? WHat hydro setup do you have?
How big are these plants? WHat hydro setup do you have?
Are you still using window light for these plants?
There is no limit to cloning, I have recently read peeps using clones from 10 years and such..... so the generation cloning you heard is false.
If you do not know the proper nutrients for them, you will have issues like this, not to mention combined with the cold and warm temps you are having and you add another problem to the equation.
THat twisted distorted growth you see, is either caused by a few different things, combined with the cold and warm temps and your nutrient regimen.
+ they may not be getting enough light, or the light is not close enough if they keep stretching, or you are adding to much nitrogen to them.
There is no limit to cloning, I have recently read peeps using clones from 10 years and such..... so the generation cloning you heard is false.
If you do not know the proper nutrients for them, you will have issues like this, not to mention combined with the cold and warm temps you are having and you add another problem to the equation.
THat twisted distorted growth you see, is either caused by a few different things, combined with the cold and warm temps and your nutrient regimen.
+ they may not be getting enough light, or the light is not close enough if they keep stretching, or you are adding to much nitrogen to them.
