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hey chamba,
did you by any chance, create this piece of misinformation here?
you figured by the way you defended it tooth and nail.....
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Sexing Seeds: BS or not?
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hey chamba,
did you by any chance, create this piece of misinformation here?
you figured by the way you defended it tooth and nail.....
anybody remember that thread from og where they developed some way to sex seeds...? i forget exactly how it woked but ill see if maybe its still out there...
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Chamba
ha! no I didn't ....it's probably an old wife's tale based on limited numbers of one strain of cannibis plants...i hadn't even heard of it before today
but the point is any theory or method is not bs until proven otherwise...so far we have 7 growers yelling "Bullshit" and while zero growers have actually tried this "circle" method
..please re-read my statements....again and you might get the gist
but the point is any theory or method is not bs until proven otherwise...so far we have 7 growers yelling "Bullshit" and while zero growers have actually tried this "circle" method
..please re-read my statements....again and you might get the gist
I've seen this article before, but better pics, and I selected seeds based on EXACTLY this method, selecting all 'female looking' seeds for my 1st test of that particular line, from a large batch of seeds I made.
It made absolutely no difference in the m/f ratios at all, getting roughly 50/50 as per usual..
I took my time, used a jeweler's loop, and went strictly by the pics.. it doesn't work, it's as simple as that..
give it a try chamba, i'm sure you'll find your rates will still average about 50/50 at the end of the day..
I also selected a pack of all 'male looking' seeds, from the same batch of seed, that i sent out as testers, but without the grower's knowledge.. guess what??? 50/50 again :wink:
It made absolutely no difference in the m/f ratios at all, getting roughly 50/50 as per usual..
I took my time, used a jeweler's loop, and went strictly by the pics.. it doesn't work, it's as simple as that..
give it a try chamba, i'm sure you'll find your rates will still average about 50/50 at the end of the day..
I also selected a pack of all 'male looking' seeds, from the same batch of seed, that i sent out as testers, but without the grower's knowledge.. guess what??? 50/50 again :wink:
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welll
youve pushed it so far i doubt Og bub is gonna give in you clearly want him to jump thru loops to answer your Q's
he said hes tried it and bs no point in splitting hairs damn lol
youve pushed it so far i doubt Og bub is gonna give in you clearly want him to jump thru loops to answer your Q's
he said hes tried it and bs no point in splitting hairs damn lol
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Chamba
lol ok man... look at my last post, the quote..
then, have a nice evening..
bub.
Tao Te Ching? ??
so basically what you are saying is you haven't tried this method either...lol
but I know one thing is for sure, there are going to be a few growers in this thread who next time they decide to pop some seeds will have a closer look at them beforehand.....
the thing is ....keep thinking!
then, have a nice evening..
bub.
Tao Te Ching? ??
so basically what you are saying is you haven't tried this method either...lol
but I know one thing is for sure, there are going to be a few growers in this thread who next time they decide to pop some seeds will have a closer look at them beforehand.....
the thing is ....keep thinking!
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i have seen this chart floating around before.
i figured it was horseshit and would give it a try.
granted i did it under the radar and by no means in large scale.
i planted 20 beans, all checked prior, and put them in 2 seperate sections, as per male and female. (according to the chart)
i had 8/12 f/m beans (supposedly).
3 of the supposed 8 female beans actually were female.
10 of the 12 supposed male beans were in fact female.
only good part of the experiment,
was that i got 13/20 females, which is a good #.
i also got to smoke some good bud
so thanks for dragging this skeleton out of my closet,
i hope i don't lose my street credit for actually thinking that this fine tidbit of info might have been true.
so, i say again,
BULLSHIT!!!!!
i figured it was horseshit and would give it a try.
granted i did it under the radar and by no means in large scale.
i planted 20 beans, all checked prior, and put them in 2 seperate sections, as per male and female. (according to the chart)
i had 8/12 f/m beans (supposedly).
3 of the supposed 8 female beans actually were female.
10 of the 12 supposed male beans were in fact female.
only good part of the experiment,
was that i got 13/20 females, which is a good #.
i also got to smoke some good bud
so thanks for dragging this skeleton out of my closet,
i hope i don't lose my street credit for actually thinking that this fine tidbit of info might have been true.
so, i say again,
BULLSHIT!!!!!
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Chamba
I've seen this article before, but better pics, and I selected seeds based on EXACTLY this method, selecting all 'female looking' seeds for my 1st test of that particular line, from a large batch of seeds I made.
It made absolutely no difference in the m/f ratios at all, getting roughly 50/50 as per usual..
I took my time, used a jeweler's loop, and went strictly by the pics.. it doesn't work, it's as simple as that..
give it a try chamba, i'm sure you'll find your rates will still average about 50/50 at the end of the day..
I also selected a pack of all 'male looking' seeds, from the same batch of seed, that i sent out as testers, but without the grower's knowledge.. guess what??? 50/50 again
it's good to finally hear from someone who has tried this circle method!
.......and no, I won't bother trying this method since you have (my eyes are no good anyway!) ......thanks for information based on direct experience beancounter
and big thank you to all the others for their unsubstantiated opinions!
anyone else tried it?
It made absolutely no difference in the m/f ratios at all, getting roughly 50/50 as per usual..
I took my time, used a jeweler's loop, and went strictly by the pics.. it doesn't work, it's as simple as that..
give it a try chamba, i'm sure you'll find your rates will still average about 50/50 at the end of the day..
I also selected a pack of all 'male looking' seeds, from the same batch of seed, that i sent out as testers, but without the grower's knowledge.. guess what??? 50/50 again
it's good to finally hear from someone who has tried this circle method!
.......and no, I won't bother trying this method since you have (my eyes are no good anyway!) ......thanks for information based on direct experience beancounter
and big thank you to all the others for their unsubstantiated opinions!
anyone else tried it?
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There's a simple way to test it - just get some bagseed, veg a couple weeks, flower a couple weeks. If youve been able to select female seeds then they all should show female hairs. Too easy
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Even if you thought you were picking all female seeds. Are you going to sit here and tell me you aren't going to pop the ones that you think are males. Grab a pack of female seeds and see if the seeds look like the chart. Or does that not count since it was not a true male doing the pollination?
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Chamba
thorodee said:i have seen this chart floating around before.
i figured it was horseshit and would give it a try.
granted i did it under the radar and by no means in large scale.
i planted 20 beans, all checked prior, and put them in 2 seperate sections, as per male and female. (according to the chart)
i had 8/12 f/m beans (supposedly).
3 of the supposed 8 female beans actually were female.
10 of the 12 supposed male beans were in fact female.
only good part of the experiment,
was that i got 13/20 females, which is a good #.
i also got to smoke some good bud
so thanks for dragging this skeleton out of my closet,
i hope i don't lose my street credit for actually thinking that this fine tidbit of info might have been true.(no, you stand out as someone who is a thinking gardener )
so, i say again,
BULLSHIT!!!!!
thanks for the experience!
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heh, I've actually got a pack of both regular and feminised Blueberry from Dutch Passion, i'll have to compare them tonight lol. (this'll be good
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JackKerouac
Sam_Skunkman said:
You know you can buy some guaranteed trifoliate seeds for $10k too, roight? LOL
I did the selection based on this criteria once a couple years ago. I remember doing the selection, but no results in my memory. But I have had no all female batches except for these juicey s1's Goldking sent my way. It is a neat tidy idea though isn't it? I think I will try it again just fer fun.
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Chamba
i planted 20 beans, all checked prior, and put them in 2 seperate sections, as per male and female. (according to the chart)
i had 8/12 f/m beans (supposedly
the instructions in the first post state that you should be very selective, they say to choose only one in ten seeds that strictly meet the criteria..and yet you chose 40%?....perhaps for the sake of accuracy, correctness and actual proof..next time you want to germinate say 10 seeds ..select them from a couple of hundred seeds,
it's hard to say the method didn't work for you if you didn't follow their specific selection guidelines is'nt it? ...from a scientist's perspective, your result is really meaningless.
i had 8/12 f/m beans (supposedly
the instructions in the first post state that you should be very selective, they say to choose only one in ten seeds that strictly meet the criteria..and yet you chose 40%?....perhaps for the sake of accuracy, correctness and actual proof..next time you want to germinate say 10 seeds ..select them from a couple of hundred seeds,
it's hard to say the method didn't work for you if you didn't follow their specific selection guidelines is'nt it? ...from a scientist's perspective, your result is really meaningless.
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Chamba You want the results and you are carrying quite a torch for this BS. So why dont you buy a few thousand seeds from Gypsy. And let us know how it goes. Quit waiting for someone else to do the work. if your eyes are weak get a loupe. Quit being a non productive oxygen consumer and get your results.
And no I wont look at my seeds any closer because of this BS.
And no I wont look at my seeds any closer because of this BS.
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ORPotGuy82 said:
thank you for your fine contribution to this thread!
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Chamba you've got every right to question something if you think you smell BS, but this is why your sexing chart is bogus - and this is botanical science - you can easily verify it:
There are two theories of how sex is determined in Cannabis. The simple theory is that it is determined by the XY type. Genetic analysis of polyploids (a common set of chromosomes in plants) indicate that this mode does take place to some degree.
But since it is basically impossible to tell anything out of the shape of a seed (okay, flat seeds have been squashed in the mail), most researchers believe that Cannabis is also epigamic (non-genetic). It is to some degree liable to be of one sex or the other, but the sex reversal phenomenon in Cannabis, which to some extent happens when changing certain grow conditions to the plants, shows that Cannabis can take one sex or the other depending on such things such as acidity of the soil, or temperature.
The hermaphrodite tendency in Cannabis is another indication that the sex can go either way.
Forerunners in this research are Dr. H.E. Warmke and H. Davidson, but the most known fieldwork among stoners are Dutch Passions' tests and conclusions, that they post on their web site:
www.dutch-passion.nl
In short, it goes like this:
a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females.
a higher potassium concentration will give more males.
a higher humidity will give more females.
a lower temperature will give more females.
more blue light will give more females.
Fewer hours of light will give more females.
Bottom line; you can't see on the seed what sex the plant will eventually have.
There are two theories of how sex is determined in Cannabis. The simple theory is that it is determined by the XY type. Genetic analysis of polyploids (a common set of chromosomes in plants) indicate that this mode does take place to some degree.
But since it is basically impossible to tell anything out of the shape of a seed (okay, flat seeds have been squashed in the mail), most researchers believe that Cannabis is also epigamic (non-genetic). It is to some degree liable to be of one sex or the other, but the sex reversal phenomenon in Cannabis, which to some extent happens when changing certain grow conditions to the plants, shows that Cannabis can take one sex or the other depending on such things such as acidity of the soil, or temperature.
The hermaphrodite tendency in Cannabis is another indication that the sex can go either way.
Forerunners in this research are Dr. H.E. Warmke and H. Davidson, but the most known fieldwork among stoners are Dutch Passions' tests and conclusions, that they post on their web site:
www.dutch-passion.nl
In short, it goes like this:
a higher nitrogen concentration will give more females.
a higher potassium concentration will give more males.
a higher humidity will give more females.
a lower temperature will give more females.
more blue light will give more females.
Fewer hours of light will give more females.
Bottom line; you can't see on the seed what sex the plant will eventually have.
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