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Sexing Seeds: BS or not?
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this is bullshit!
check please!
check please!
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Guest
i can guess and i mite get close does this make it science...i dont think so
lol, thats NO way to sex a seed..lol
actually thats how you tell when a seed is fully grown, it detatches itsself from the calyx. but has Nothing to do with Sex...
asto seed shape/structure, thats dictated by genetics, and seed maturity..
Ive seen a couple seeds in my years, still cant tell what will be what....
I realy kinda dont wanna know where this "info" came from.. prolly onna the many self proclaimed 'pioneers' of cannabis..lol
nah Alpha,, I wouldnt pay much attention to that source bro...
actually thats how you tell when a seed is fully grown, it detatches itsself from the calyx. but has Nothing to do with Sex...
asto seed shape/structure, thats dictated by genetics, and seed maturity..
Ive seen a couple seeds in my years, still cant tell what will be what....
I realy kinda dont wanna know where this "info" came from.. prolly onna the many self proclaimed 'pioneers' of cannabis..lol
nah Alpha,, I wouldnt pay much attention to that source bro...
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Chamba
thorodee & unicorn ...why is it bs?
because you don't believe it?
or because you have already selected one hundred "female" seeds from one thousand seeds, grown them out to prove or disprove this theory?
the best reaction to this claim would be to state that you would like to test this technique yourself to prove it works or not...or to ask if others have tried this technique
i haven't got a clue if this technique is worthy...perhaps it is, but only "works" best with a few strains?...maybe it works best with seeds that look as if they should of been left on the tree for a week or two longer?....anyway, it might be worth trying?
Keep an open mind...I'll certainly look closer at seeds next time I plant
they mention to select seeds with "a perfectly round volcano like depression at the bottom".....this sounds like a well formed seed to me . Fully formed seeds are seeds that have been allowed to full develop and are usually 100% viable and have a higher % of females (based on casual observation my limited experience of germinating just a few thousand seed in the past 15 years...I alway seem to get a much higher % of males in colder weather, shorter photoperiods, when crowding seedlings and giving seedlings less than 5 weeks vegging).
another observation I read about was a technique for sexing seedlings prior to the plant developing it's first pre-flowers (the first actual visible signs of the plant's sex). All seedlings have two like "spears" on the main stalk at each internode (where the two pairs of leaves or branches grow out from the main stalk...these spears either grow vertical and vee-ed apart from each other or the spears grow towards each other...they say the former is a female and the latter is a male...this technique appears to work with some strains when I tried it a while ago.
any of the ways to pre-sex seeds or plants should not be relied on......the best and safest way to sex plants is to identify the pre-flowers when the plants are in veg mode ....most strains for sale now will show pre-flowers in 5 ~ 8 weeks.
I'm of the opinion that seeds have their sex decided at pollenation....but between 20% ~ 80% (depending on the strain) can 'turn" male or female according the environmental conditions they experience in the first few months of growth
because you don't believe it?
or because you have already selected one hundred "female" seeds from one thousand seeds, grown them out to prove or disprove this theory?
the best reaction to this claim would be to state that you would like to test this technique yourself to prove it works or not...or to ask if others have tried this technique
i haven't got a clue if this technique is worthy...perhaps it is, but only "works" best with a few strains?...maybe it works best with seeds that look as if they should of been left on the tree for a week or two longer?....anyway, it might be worth trying?
Keep an open mind...I'll certainly look closer at seeds next time I plant
they mention to select seeds with "a perfectly round volcano like depression at the bottom".....this sounds like a well formed seed to me . Fully formed seeds are seeds that have been allowed to full develop and are usually 100% viable and have a higher % of females (based on casual observation my limited experience of germinating just a few thousand seed in the past 15 years...I alway seem to get a much higher % of males in colder weather, shorter photoperiods, when crowding seedlings and giving seedlings less than 5 weeks vegging).
another observation I read about was a technique for sexing seedlings prior to the plant developing it's first pre-flowers (the first actual visible signs of the plant's sex). All seedlings have two like "spears" on the main stalk at each internode (where the two pairs of leaves or branches grow out from the main stalk...these spears either grow vertical and vee-ed apart from each other or the spears grow towards each other...they say the former is a female and the latter is a male...this technique appears to work with some strains when I tried it a while ago.
any of the ways to pre-sex seeds or plants should not be relied on......the best and safest way to sex plants is to identify the pre-flowers when the plants are in veg mode ....most strains for sale now will show pre-flowers in 5 ~ 8 weeks.
I'm of the opinion that seeds have their sex decided at pollenation....but between 20% ~ 80% (depending on the strain) can 'turn" male or female according the environmental conditions they experience in the first few months of growth
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chamba, I mean you you disrespect.. but it seems youre post is only inviting argument...
Thank you for you opinion and Exp with germing seeds and male/female ratios due to enviroment. I too think enviroment has something to do with ratios.
again, I mean you no disrespect..
I have tho, experimented with various Techs to pre-determine the sex of a seed, to no avail, over a good few years.. Hundreds of thousands of seeds have passed thru my hands, atleast..
Im not saying Im right, just that I too observe this "info" as misleading..
and again, no disrespect, but I believe you mean "germination", not pollenation..
Thanks for yer post.
Peace, bub.
Thank you for you opinion and Exp with germing seeds and male/female ratios due to enviroment. I too think enviroment has something to do with ratios.
again, I mean you no disrespect..
I have tho, experimented with various Techs to pre-determine the sex of a seed, to no avail, over a good few years.. Hundreds of thousands of seeds have passed thru my hands, atleast..
Im not saying Im right, just that I too observe this "info" as misleading..
and again, no disrespect, but I believe you mean "germination", not pollenation..
Thanks for yer post.
Peace, bub.
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JackKerouac
Utter bullsh*t. Although I am sure you could make a pretty penny on ebay with this information. LOL
I think OG Bub has it right about maturity of the seed due to detaching from the calyx and not the sex.
I think OG Bub has it right about maturity of the seed due to detaching from the calyx and not the sex.
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Chamba
OG bub said:
happy seeding!
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Chamba
I have tho, experimented with various Techs to pre-determine the sex of a seed, to no avail, over a good few years.. Hundreds of thousands of seeds have passed thru my hands, atleast..
tell us more about the failed seed sexing techniques....this is the right thread for it!
tell us more about the failed seed sexing techniques....this is the right thread for it!
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Chamba
dude its bullshit...
I don't think it is a viable technique either ...but it's not bullshit until it is has been disproven
...10% female to male ratio based on there miracle info
no, it doesn't say that there are only 10% females..it shows a way to identify seeds that will become female plants
keep in mind that some sativa strains have ratios of 75%+ females anyway, so by selecting the healthiest seed from a batch of Thai or Zamal that have a well formed attachment would most probably give you a higher % than the 75% average
there are many differences between tropical sativa seed and indica seed from temperate regions....eg sativas seeds are often time-release
...lol...please dont feed this crap to any noobs, it will discourage them, and its not TRUE
please re-read the thread...and then please offer your opinion based on experience with this or other seed sexing techniques.
I don't think it is a viable technique either ...but it's not bullshit until it is has been disproven
...10% female to male ratio based on there miracle info
no, it doesn't say that there are only 10% females..it shows a way to identify seeds that will become female plants
keep in mind that some sativa strains have ratios of 75%+ females anyway, so by selecting the healthiest seed from a batch of Thai or Zamal that have a well formed attachment would most probably give you a higher % than the 75% average
there are many differences between tropical sativa seed and indica seed from temperate regions....eg sativas seeds are often time-release
...lol...please dont feed this crap to any noobs, it will discourage them, and its not TRUE
please re-read the thread...and then please offer your opinion based on experience with this or other seed sexing techniques.
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Chamba
Something tells me this might've been floating around during the 80's heyday of weed misinfo
It's the first i heard about it..but then again I've never really read more than a few High Times....
I almost always grow from seed under the sun in pots (all year round!)...and often seed a branch or two of selected plants..to have more seed to give and to grow...so I like males, they have their uses! and since I produce excess seed, I usually plant 15 or 20 seeds if I want to have 3 or 4 females....any slow, runt, male and weak ones are culled
i have another infallible way to sex seedlings : my dog ...who happens to love chewing on cannabis leaves..if offered a leaf from a female he will chomp into it and realluy chew it up and sometimes swallow it....but if offered a male leaf he will give it one sniff or bite then spit it out - he is 100% accurate lol .....ha! he's 3 years old and already is a trichome expert...and before anyway calls the cops on me for cruely to animals - my little grow is well protected with a wire fence from the dog and he is lucky to get a little leaf or two once or twice a week
It's the first i heard about it..but then again I've never really read more than a few High Times....
I almost always grow from seed under the sun in pots (all year round!)...and often seed a branch or two of selected plants..to have more seed to give and to grow...so I like males, they have their uses! and since I produce excess seed, I usually plant 15 or 20 seeds if I want to have 3 or 4 females....any slow, runt, male and weak ones are culled
i have another infallible way to sex seedlings : my dog ...who happens to love chewing on cannabis leaves..if offered a leaf from a female he will chomp into it and realluy chew it up and sometimes swallow it....but if offered a male leaf he will give it one sniff or bite then spit it out - he is 100% accurate lol .....ha! he's 3 years old and already is a trichome expert...and before anyway calls the cops on me for cruely to animals - my little grow is well protected with a wire fence from the dog and he is lucky to get a little leaf or two once or twice a week
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No it is bullshit, if proven or not. Seeds shape is determined mostly by the mother, sex is determined by the father.
Bullshit can be proven or not, but it is still bullshit.
My favorite bullshit method was the sexing chrystal, it spun clockwise over a female seed and counter-clockwise over a male seed. And only $9.99 plus Postage.....
-SamS
Bullshit can be proven or not, but it is still bullshit.
My favorite bullshit method was the sexing chrystal, it spun clockwise over a female seed and counter-clockwise over a male seed. And only $9.99 plus Postage.....
-SamS
yes chamba, I did at one time, try to predict sex thru the variances of seed.
It is, as I stated, innefective..
I could go in detail into each and every method I tried, but between lack of current pics, and that fact that None of the methods proved usefull in anyway, makes posting them pointless.
is the above mentioned disproven? YES, in my garden, it has been...
I did notice tho, observing seed structure, is more effective in predicting 'phenotype', within a seed lot of a given strain, but this only was represenative of certain lines.. and only within Hybrids that I tested.
Now considering the Author of this thread, opened, with "is it BS or not", I dont think the following posters were off base at all by awnsering with their opinion of it being "BS"...
Now if you want to discuss specific techniques, I respectfully recommend You start yer own thread, on that verry topic.. Im shure you will find what you seem to be after therein.
thank you for yer time, peace, bub.
It is, as I stated, innefective..
I could go in detail into each and every method I tried, but between lack of current pics, and that fact that None of the methods proved usefull in anyway, makes posting them pointless.
is the above mentioned disproven? YES, in my garden, it has been...
I did notice tho, observing seed structure, is more effective in predicting 'phenotype', within a seed lot of a given strain, but this only was represenative of certain lines.. and only within Hybrids that I tested.
Now considering the Author of this thread, opened, with "is it BS or not", I dont think the following posters were off base at all by awnsering with their opinion of it being "BS"...
Now if you want to discuss specific techniques, I respectfully recommend You start yer own thread, on that verry topic.. Im shure you will find what you seem to be after therein.
thank you for yer time, peace, bub.
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Chamba
yes chamba, I did at one time, try to predict sex thru the variances of seed.
we all have!...I've looked at seeds..tried big ones, dark ones, ones with different or more striking markings etc all to no avail......but have you specifically tried the method described in the first post?...it's not about seed shape or markings or size.....it's about how perfectly round the attachment end of the seed is.
i haven't tried it ..but next time I plant seeds I will try it...or won't if someone like SamS says he's tried it and it doesn't work
we all have!...I've looked at seeds..tried big ones, dark ones, ones with different or more striking markings etc all to no avail......but have you specifically tried the method described in the first post?...it's not about seed shape or markings or size.....it's about how perfectly round the attachment end of the seed is.
i haven't tried it ..but next time I plant seeds I will try it...or won't if someone like SamS says he's tried it and it doesn't work
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Chamba
I don't not want to seem to be pedantic here.....but i can't see anywhere where you or sam specifically stated you tried this method..
you said "yes chamba, I did at one time, try to predict sex thru the variances of seed."
variance of seed....yes but,....aren't we talking the how perfect a circle the attachment is...did you use this method?
has sams? ..has anyone?
anyway....don't all get your knickers in a knot just because someone had the audacity to question the shouts of Bullshit backed up by no evidence or experience.....the point is to keep an open mind!
you said "yes chamba, I did at one time, try to predict sex thru the variances of seed."
variance of seed....yes but,....aren't we talking the how perfect a circle the attachment is...did you use this method?
has sams? ..has anyone?
anyway....don't all get your knickers in a knot just because someone had the audacity to question the shouts of Bullshit backed up by no evidence or experience.....the point is to keep an open mind!
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