Sensi Seeds - still good or are the rumors true??

[Space Hobby]

So Its been over a decade since running any material from Sensi Seeds. I have often wondered about reports that some strains have become either watered down or were reworked with different parental stock. I have not run any recently so I grabbed some Sensi Northern Lights to see whats up. I planted a couple to see how they compare to the original offerings.

Around 2001 I grabbed a few packs of the following:
Big Bud
Fruity Juice
Marleys Collie
4-way
Mr. Nice G13x Hashplant

My Mentor had his sister grab a ton on a trip to a'dam around 2000 maybe before as well he had the following which I ran some of:
Big Bud
Maple Leaf Indica
Jack Herer
NL5xHaze
Northern Lights
Black Domina

He had several packs of each variety. Main grows were Big Bud and Maple Leaf. I liked the Northern and Black Domina as well as the Maple it was superb. The NL5xHaze, Jack and Northern were all super crystalized and very strong stones.

I did not really find great plants in the fruity juice, or the Marley's.

Folks have been saying for a long time that they reworked everything when Nevil sold the place. Most current growers of atleast the Maple Leaf believe they are the same as the originals. Someone even posted that they had been in contact with the Sensi Maple Leaf grower and stated he knows how special the plants are and has kept them backed up and the same since the original release.

Has anyone grown out any recently that also grew them around 2000 or before?

hi bro I'm growing purple bud from sensi and they are solid plants not doubt! But thats just one case but from my experience its a very good solid strain...

 

[LostTribe]

My Sensi Norther Lights are looking 100% Indica now that they have gotten going. Super wide leaves and short dark green growth. At 4th node under CFL's and in hydroton cups and swc. May move to a dwc array soon.

 

[kopite]

Dude your last quote even says AfgT and AfgS are sisters, "Pure Maple Leaf". Also SK#1 has both Acapulco and columbian golds in it so that would cause some sativa in the strain, but Maple Leaf Indica has always been listed and 100% Indica.

From Sensi Seeds

That's the thing that gets me, sensi have always stated it as a pure indica which does seem odd for something with skunk 1 in it as you state..

when Nev was asked what was the MLI lineage he was a bit vague..

Quote:
Do you know what the the lineage of the Sensi MLI seeds was?

Also, what was Sensi's Hindu Kush?
In the two years I worked as a consultant for Sensi, I got Their/ My genetics in order. They didn't have anything of their own. If I was handing it on to my son, I couldn't have done more. I wanted to throw out the trash before I left but Ben thought I was like him. I'm not. Anything I had, Sensi had. That doesn't mean they knew how to use it. They didn't, don't and never will.
You could give me a Stradivarius violin, it doesn't mean I can play it.
N.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/83360-post91.html

even that other reply he says the hybrid Ed is talking about is 3/4 Maple leaf not that Ed is describing Maple Leaf indica..

however he did also state;

AfgT had a sister, AfgS. This was a sweeter version than the T. It was, however AfgSxSk1 that produced the strongest specimen. This one plant AfgSxSk1 was awe inspiring. It tasted like a Hash Plant with real depth an quality. Strong, strong, strong! I had crossed this plant back to Sk1 and then to SS. This is where I'd be looking to resurrect the best of Maple leaf. In general, plants with AfgS in it's make up should be crossed with AfgT line plants. Sooner or later, throw backs will pop up. As I've said before, I believe, bases on similarity of types and smells, that the Maple Leaf strain is the Afghan behind the original skunks.
I wonder if Shanti has used lines containing AfgS?
N.

Maple Leaf indica threw a spanner in the works of my conveniently ordered universe. This strain was given to me by a guy known to me as Jim Ortega. The first noteworthy plant that popped out was like Big Bud. Despite looking like a full indica, it smelled like bubblegum (like BB). Next was a Hash Plant and Northern Lights 1 type, totally different. Finally came the 2 sisters I named AfgT and AfgS, these 2 encapsulated the full range of fruity Skunk types.

You can tell how it did my head in by the random names these plants got.
In the beginning I was happily calling it Maple leaf. Tralalalala, my universe is ordered, it's the Bug Bud type. Then a certain hashy dankness came, and I started calling it Ort, for Ortega. After seeing just about every indica type, I get 2 archetypal skunk types. I haven't got a clue anymore and I'm calling it Afg, for Afghan.

What I can tell you is that each of the indica archetypes (as I think of them ), breeds true to type to a large degree. Big Bud breeds plants like Big Bud. Even the ML AfgT that came out of such a variable gene pool is dominant for it's type. Mixing and matching the various Afghan SK1 hybrids, which have become the mainstay of the commercial cannabis, will continue to throw back to the various Afghan types which in my mind, have been selected as the ideal type by different growers over countless generations, each grower picking the archetype he likes best in mixed fields.

When was the MLI sold first? when Nev was there or after? I remember seeing the Afghan mix was sold but was MLI?

Also as someone said elsewhere he liked SK1 for someone who hates and slates the man behind it..

 

[LostTribe]

That's the thing that gets me, sensi have always stated it as a pure indica which does seem odd for something with skunk 1 in it as you state..

when Nev was asked what was the MLI lineage he was a bit vague..

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/83360-post91.html

even that other reply he says the hybrid Ed is talking about is 3/4 Maple leaf not that Ed is describing Maple Leaf indica..

however he did also state;





When was the MLI sold first? when Nev was there or after? I remember seeing the Afghan mix was sold but was MLI?

Also as someone said elsewhere he liked SK1 for someone who hates and slates the man behind it..

All that is certain is that Nevil was very careful not to give out any specific information relating to what is/was MLI....I think its just the afghan mix that he worked with as you can see it was originally made up of "maple leaf" wilsons genetics according to the seed listings from 1990.

There are a lot of those quotes on mns but all are vague.

My 2 sisters and the other lady Northern Lights are looking nice now and the one that had variegation initially has sorted itself out and is ahead of the other 2 just a bit. All 3 have super wide 5 fingered leaves. Super wide. Stoked!

 

[GoatCheese]

even that other reply he says the hybrid Ed is talking about is 3/4 Maple leaf not that Ed is describing Maple Leaf indica..

Hey Kopite
You have to read the actual question to Nevil lil better.

He really was asked about MLI


Here's the Q and the reply:

Q: "..maple leaf indica according to Ed R (same book) is: Female Ortega15 x Sam afghan skunk X male Skunk 18.5. Any idea if this is correct?"

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/58998-post20.html


And then Nevil replies:

I don't know what Ed is calling Maple leaf.
Ortega 15 was Maple leaf. This was crossed with AfgTx Sk and AfgS x sk males.
AfgT and AfgS were both sisters and pure maple leaf. Maybe Ed thought that AfgS meant Afg(Sam). It doesn't. The hybrid Ed is talking about is 3/4 Maple Leaf.
N.

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/59005-post21.html


PS.


YNWA

 

[LostTribe]

Hey Kopite
You have to read the actual question to Nevil lil better.

He really was asked about MLI


Here's the Q and the reply:

Q: "..maple leaf indica according to Ed R (same book) is: Female Ortega15 x Sam afghan skunk X male Skunk 18.5. Any idea if this is correct?"

http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/58998-post20.html


And then Nevil replies:



http://www.mrnice.nl/forum/59005-post21.html


PS.


YNWA

I went back and read that whole deal again. I was incorrect. The "Maple Leaf Indica" is made of Ortega15 female x either (AfgSxskunk) or (Afgxskunk) males. 3/4 "maple leaf". Ortega15, AfgT and AfgS were all pure "maple leaf". The whole 3/4 hybrid thing made me think he was referring to a completely different hybrid.

Maple Leaf-seeds from Maple Leaf Wilson
Maple Leaf Indica-3/4 maple leaf 1/4 skunk.

 

[ganjagalore]

One thing I'm confused about when it comes to Sensi is the prices of their fem and regular seeds. Why is Skunk #1 so much cheaper than Northern Lights or NL5×Haze etc? Aren't they all from the same source - Neville?

 

[GoatCheese]

One thing I'm confused about when it comes to Sensi is the prices of their fem and regular seeds. Why is Skunk #1 so much cheaper than Northern Lights or NL5×Haze etc? Aren't they all from the same source - Neville?

I quess Skunk#1 is considered ordinary cause it's everywhere and everyone's got it


NL and NL5HAze are legendary cup winners and are also Nevil/Sensi's own varieties = milk the customers

 

[ganjagalore]

I quess Skunk#1 is considered ordinary cause it's everywhere and everyone's got it


NL and NL5HAze are legendary cup winners and are also Nevil/Sensi's own varieties = milk the customers

Yes, but shouldn't Sensi's Skunk#1 come from Neville who got it from Sam? So they should have the real deal?! Same as with Northern Lights etc. So why not price it all the same and say market Skunk#1 as 'the original Skunk#1' or whatnot and make more money?!

 

[porn]

last week I try some sensi super skunk fem from a friend 2 month cured nice flavor, compact flowers, nice terpen, very sweet, musky skunk profile a bit narcotic high for me. Nothing from the other world.
My other experience I plant jack flash f2 (gift from a friend grower) last year and i get a fantasy grape flavor and smell with a very nice sativa high very interesting strain.

 

[bigtacofarmer]

Yes, but shouldn't Sensi's Skunk#1 come from Neville who got it from Sam? So they should have the real deal?! Same as with Northern Lights etc. So why not price it all the same and say market Skunk#1 as 'the original Skunk#1' or whatnot and make more money?!

I don't think anyone is disputing whether they had the genetics to begin with. They are trying to sort out it the current seeds still come from the original parents. I'd personally like to know. They descriptions have not changed in the 20 years I've been reading them.

 

[mack 10]

Last I heard,the maple leaf Wilson family was still growing the famed maple leaf,
Anyone know if its still available? (not the sensi version?)

 

[therevverend]

I used to grow a version of their Hashplant in the 90s. It was awesome. One toke knock you on your ass frosty stuff. Was great for crosses, added structure and potency to whatever you crossed it with.
I'd heard their strains had gone to shit but of course I needed to know for myself. Even though the price for a pack was $180 which is ridiculous. Forked it out anyway because I'd wanted it for so long.
Most of the seeds sprouted, no issues there. No hermies which is good. But it wasn't the same strain. Tall, lanky, leggy sativa. Nothing like the compact densely structured branching Indica I used to have and they advertise it to be. Horrible for an indoor strain. They were 3 feet tall when my other plants were 1 foot. I'll give it credit for being vigorous but it was unmanageable.
The smoke wasn't terrible but wasn't memorable. Definitely not hashplant. I've grown a lot of good Sativas , I enjoy them. This one wasn't one of those.
Basically a total rip off they sold whatever the hell it was and called it Hashplant. Won't be buying more seeds from them.
I don't buy the argument that if I buy packs of seeds I need to pheno hunt. If I get 2 packs and half of them hermie or come out scraggy, if one is killer I should be satisfied. When I buy a pack I want every seed to be valuable.
Of course some will be superior to others, that is selection. But there shouldn't be a single dud. Otherwise they aren't breeders. If they have hermaphrodites and scrags in their lines they should have been eliminated years ago. The only breeders I'll give my money to give me ten seeds in a pack that are all relatively similar and viable. There's too many good breeders to give money to bad ones.
If they're not lying and still using the old strains, it's obvious the genetics were bottle necked. Probably not once but several times.

 

[ganjagalore]

I don't think anyone is disputing whether they had the genetics to begin with. They are trying to sort out it the current seeds still come from the original parents. I'd personally like to know. They descriptions have not changed in the 20 years I've been reading them.

I posted a question about the difference in prices and with it I was referring to the fact that judging by the available information and the difference in prices, it seems like they might have lost some of the original parents.

I sent Sensi emails to ask, but they said they can't share this information.

 

[seeded]

I posted a question about the difference in prices and with it I was referring to the fact that judging by the available information and the difference in prices, it seems like they might have lost some of the original parents.

I sent Sensi emails to ask, but they said they can't share this information.

They can't state that they lost the original parents because admitting that would mean that they had to start fresh from seed and are now selling F2s or worse to the public at their original prices

 

[Chrondiddle O]

Nice.
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(Am I weird for having kept the packaging? ... never mind )

I had a friend who worked for sensi around the time they stopped using this packaging and started with the card/bubble/box.One day I visited him in the smaller amsterdam shop and he was tearing open the old packs to get the seeds out to use in displays,they were filling cannabis cups at that moment in time.He told me to help myself and I took 2/3 packs of everything in their catalogue apart from ruderalis skunk and ruderalis indica.I'm 99% sure I still have at least one pack of everything but I tried to germ 30 jack flash seeds a couple of years back and got 0/30 seedlings.. still a nice souvenir though.

 

[mistermcgeefoot]

Sad to hear the quality over at sensi is down the tubes. Some legendary strains for sure but with so many quality options for good prices who can argue?

 

[Carraxe]

Don't buy anything from them. I spent money last year and it was crap. The worse crap I've seen in my life coming out from cannabis seeds. You get much better things if you look in the ripper companies that use selected clones from 90s Sensi gear, like Dinafem and Sweet Seeds.

Cheers

 

[LostTribe]

I had a friend who worked for sensi around the time they stopped using this packaging and started with the card/bubble/box.One day I visited him in the smaller amsterdam shop and he was tearing open the old packs to get the seeds out to use in displays,they were filling cannabis cups at that moment in time.He told me to help myself and I took 2/3 packs of everything in their catalogue apart from ruderalis skunk and ruderalis indica.I'm 99% sure I still have at least one pack of everything but I tried to germ 30 jack flash seeds a couple of years back and got 0/30 seedlings.. still a nice souvenir though.

were they in the freezer? If not put them in the freezer for a couple months. That helped me save some older seeds. Don't know how but they actually popped.

You could also try GA3 in a minute dosage and soak for 12 hours then plant. GA3 will cause any that make it to stretch atleast at first and quite a bit though.

 

[LostTribe]

Don't buy anything from them. I spent money last year and it was crap. The worse crap I've seen in my life coming out from cannabis seeds. You get much better things if you look in the ripper companies that use selected clones from 90s Sensi gear, like Dinafem and Sweet Seeds.

Cheers

What strains are you referring to as crap? Did you document your grow?

My Northern Lights are still in veg and growing perfectly. 100% Indica growth and by far the best from this group of seedlings. The fattest widest leaves I have ever experienced so I am interested to bloom one of them out to see the final product.

I will try to get some pics up soon.
LT