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Seeking Critique on Vert Colosseum SOG concept.

catman

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Rabbit, he really stripped off the bottom of the upper tier plants so the tops of the second is the green we see above the upper bed in the first pic. I've had lots of great bud grow that low on some normal strains so I think this could end up working really well here.

Good idea Icabod. Then maybe in the future, he can another one. Create a box out of the four halves and do a bed and lighting array inside.

Funny how some people see a glass as half empty or full.. Whether you flipped late or not, they look pretty stretched for other reasons such as the placement of the light, day/night temps, and nitrogen levels. I sure don't see any plants next to the ceiling. Maybe just the strain and it isn't necessarily a bad thing to have have bare stalks when bigger stalks give you better yield. Makes sense to me anyway.

I think you got the right idea to just do a single tier per light in the future. Think vertical SOG and a donut per bulb is the most efficient for g/w, but think stadium for the most effectiveness predicated upon preference by running vertical bulbs in a line. I wonder what ya could do with some 55w 2g11s and either arrangement. I'm thinking about trying some with a 600w, but won't be starting anything too soon.

Did you leave any plants unhacked? If your concern is time or effort to prune, I hope you left some alone to see how they do. You made your objectives more clear for me in your last post and I can understand why ya thinking this way. I'm curious to why the worry about touching the buds? Wear gloves and all is well, no? Also, a tip on defoliating I read from somewhere here (but can not recall from whom) is basically cut off 90% of the leaf as to leave the petiole (leaf stem) and lil bit of green. Just take it off so ya don't split up the fingers which makes things messier. After a few days or weeks perhaps you can just pull them right off with a twitch. I feel uneasy sayin this, but if you wana trim less so bad, AK47 might not be your strain.

Anyway, don't get too far ahead of yourself man. No fat lady has sang yet. Maybe focus on the moisture levels in your beds and keeping pH on your low side to lessen nitrogen levels to get them stacking with tight spaced nodes. Swing it once veg/stretch is completely done.
 
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B. Self Reliant

Great job! I believe in bold adjustments. You went big & now they're a bit overgrown, but you also have much more solid, strain-specific info to go by next time. That's priceless.

Sounds like you have a plan to get your desired results with future runs, but I for one can't wait to see how these turn out first! :smoke out:
 
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Crusader Rabbit

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Whether you flipped late or not, they look pretty stretched for other reasons such as the placement of the light, day/night temps, and nitrogen levels.

Plants in close proximity will stretch in competition with one another for light. Touching one another can help induce this. A question here would be, if the roots of all these plants entangled within a small volume is inducing stretch. They are all genetically identical clones, so maybe roots won't recognize one another as being from different plants, but it is a factor to consider.
 
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DHF

I can tell yas that plants up the wall angled toward the stacked bulbs the exact same distance away is the best example of efficiency IME with increased plant numbers and is/was my choice once I saw Heath dial it....and yeah...

I agree with plants competing for environment and lumens CR....Rootmasses intertwining in beds is also another variable /limiting factor....or not....

All things to ponder with hybrid setups....

Good luck A...DHF....:ying:....
 

Hundred Gram Oz

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Hey Anti, it looks like I've got a lot to read, I've been away dealing with family health issues but I'm gonna look at what you've been up to.

Take Care Buddy
HGO
 

redbudduckfoot

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Hey there Anti, hope the weekend was a good one. i was obliterated most of sat and sun from some full melt SourD bubble hash, micron73 bag, and dabs of honey oil. needless to say, i was not in the correct mindset to transfer knowledge..........

back to reality, here we go.

first of all, to reiterate, no more stadium. tier one should be the same distance from center light column(CLC from here on) just like bobble racks. if i were doing this (maybe i am, with 2 600hps) it would be a 2:3 scale version of bobbles new rooms. why 2:3? because i would only be using 1200w, not 1800w. for you, since you are using 2 x 400w, i would maybe go 2:4.5, or about 3 ft diameter, 1.5 ft to CLC.

second thing to address; number of tiers. right now, with the plants being SO SO close to the bulb, it gives the illusion that you need a light for every level of plants. this iS wrong.
as you pull the bulb away from the budsicle, there will be a sweet spot. for bobble, in his rack design, i believe he finds that the plants all receive adequate lighting at about 2.5-3ft. 1.5ft should be good for u.

once you pull those plants back to 1.75 ft(center of plant, so i added 3")you will find that you could probably do 2 levels per light, especially if there are 2 stacked 6-8" apart. 4 levels would be sick, 24 plants per side, 6 plants per level, 6 per trough.

so yeah, since DHF has been sending me pesky PM's trying to encourage me to do a thread, i might throw my new 2 x 600w hps, Blumat, vert grow up for IC to see. right now at this spot i have only 1600w going, but im gonna replace the 1K for another 600w and then flip-flop those lights to a 5' x 5' x 5' room built just for just this grow. thanks for the kick in the ass, Freds..................

anyway, hope u digest my thoughts. i fucking love those raised bed style soil troughs. i am certainly going to be copying that steezzz!

TILL NEXT TIME;

RBDF
 

Anti

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As always, I appreciate it every time someone posts their ideas/advice. Even if I don't always quote every post, I read each one several times and as you can see from the progress from page one... I make major changes when I've digested that information.

This page is a testimony to anybody out there who is afraid they can't do this. Because I am NO expert. I have NO experience growing fruit, vegetables, flowers or ferns. I didn't even have house plants before I started growing.

If I can do this, anyone can.


Hey Anti, it looks like I've got a lot to read, I've been away dealing with family health issues but I'm gonna look at what you've been up to.

Take Care Buddy
HGO

Your absence has been felt, homie. I'm glad to have you back.

Hey there Anti, hope the weekend was a good one. i was obliterated most of sat and sun from some full melt SourD bubble hash, micron73 bag, and dabs of honey oil.

Way to rub it in. :) I'm smoking vaped weed and drinking green dragon I am making from the left over trim. Dab a few for me!

back to reality, here we go.

first of all, to reiterate, no more stadium. tier one should be the same distance from center light column(CLC from here on) just like bobble racks. if i were doing this (maybe i am, with 2 600hps) it would be a 2:3 scale version of bobbles new rooms. why 2:3? because i would only be using 1200w, not 1800w. for you, since you are using 2 x 400w, i would maybe go 2:4.5, or about 3 ft diameter, 1.5 ft to CLC.
Yeah, my math said something similar. (I do REALLY appreciate your independent confirmation of this idea, though!)

I found an octagon calculator on some website and came up with this:

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Basically, this version would put the inner area of the octagon around the light a 3.5' x 3.5' square. The 78 w/sf notation is calculated on the square footage of that inner octagon. Each segment of the octagon could be a 17" rectangular bed. I could build vertically tiered angled shelves with lips for SRGB style smart pots like Bobble uses (custom made for my size) or build something like the beds I have now but in the octagon shape. If I did it like this, every inside corner of the bed would be 22" from the bulb.

Other than ease of construction, is there a reason to use a square rather than an octagon or circle?


i might throw my new 2 x 600w hps, Blumat, vert grow up for IC to see. right now at this spot i have only 1600w going, but im gonna replace the 1K for another 600w and then flip-flop those lights to a 5' x 5' x 5' room built just for just this grow.
I wanna see it. Make sure and hit me with the link.

Things are looking pretty sweet in there. The plants in the TOP corners are kinda small and sad looking, but the plants in the BOTTOM corners are fucking BEASTS. There's a lot of nice white fuzziness looking back at me from among the green everywhere I look.

All the top tier have been tied to bamboo stakes which were set along the back wall of the planter. All of the bottom tier have been tied back to the irrigation hose from the top tier. There's definitely more light getting to the bottom because of this, but the top tier - aside from the bottom corners - are looking like the clear winners so far (as expected.)

Official update in 48.

(up next: WEEK III of Flower)
 
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DHF

LMFAO RBDF.....Pesky PM`s ?.....Whatchu been smokin Willis.....I "respond" to pm`s , and NEVER initiate pm`s or push folks to start threads , but Hey.....
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Since yas opened up this can `o worms , I By Gawd expect a thread from yer ass immediately if not sooner , so Handle it my buddy.....now...

The way I set my rooms up with angled corners for somewhat LESS than equidistant octagonal form was because the corners as a rule don`t produce shit and takes away from yields cuz the plants compete for light and environment while chokin one another out so.....

All my equipment as well as access holes into the flip rooms were in the angled corners covered in Reflectix to assist in bouncin lumens all around the rooms while allowin the outside plants on each level to have ample space to live long and prosper without hittin the others across from em by end of stretch....IOW.....

I took 8 x 8 rooms and built 1' angled racks all the way round to make the inside dimensions 6 x 6 and used 4 ' of each wall so 4-#5 smartpots would fit comfortably on all 4 levels , and the angled corners covered in reflectix were 17" wide and provided perfect sanctuary for a/c`s , dehueys , active intakes , as well as wall fans and exhaust out thru scrubbers in all upper opposite corners with my lil cubby hole access in the bottom corner closest to the lung room....simple....babyshit.....

Anyways.....4 plants on 4 walls on 4 levels for 64-1 1/2 oz plants consistently with 3-600`s stacked and reflectix on everything that wasn`t green....even the ceilings and ......

Fed once a day with runoff and twice a day after end of stretch cuz they drink so much in late bloomage when they`re in full swellage mode till end of cycle.........and IME.....

Don`t get much better than that , but I`m predjudiced....

Peace and axle grease RBDF....Come show us your method of madness and make an old man proud...

Peace....Freds......:ying:.....
 

redbudduckfoot

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hey there Fred, i was just playing with that "Pesky PM" comment, you know that. Pesky was a "Term of Endearment," ya dig?

so yeah, my EZ 120 is in OD mode; completely full of 2 different outdoor strains, clone factory, check. i have 10-20 various clones ready ATM, BB cheese, OGkush, SourDibl, ChemDibl, so my plan is to do a 1K single bulb or 2 x 600w in the new vert room(5.5 x 5.5), super budget steez, with just 12-16 of the best plants going into 2 gallon smart pots in a circle around the light(s). 10 day veg in vert room, blumats(duh) and modified tomato cages(so plant only grows one sided). im gonna do 3-4 plants of each, seeing as this is a test run to see which plant will grow best in this vert room.

by day 20 of flower i will decide which of the clones to run(probably Chemdog or SourD) and i will have the mothers ready as well. the Ez 120 will also be empty, ready to be filled with 100+ mono-cropped clones. will be picking the best 72. as soon as the budget vert run is finished(july 20th-ish) the racks will be slid in.there will be 3 plants per shelf, 8 sides, three levels.

72 plants total.

the entire flower space will be a 4.5ft Octagon, and only 4 ft tall. the other flower room is 5.5' x 7.5' x 7' tall. all ducting, fans/Ac/exhaust/etc will be recirculated between the two rooms

going to build/design the Octogon like one of those spiffy pre-fab BCbloom cabs, with all the ducting and fans below and above the flower space. the only thing in the flower chamber will be plants and the (2) 600w bulbs.

so it will be as follows:

ceiling-

2ft space for 8" 650cfm fan and can33-

2" x 4" flower room ceiling-

4ft flower room

2" x 4" floor for flower room-

12" of space for 6" intake duct/fan(from portable AC) and 12"cooling fan built into flower room floor for cooling the light stack

floor-

i will be installing my portable AC in the horizontal room, splittin the cold air up so half goes to the room it's in and the other half is ducted into the 4' x 4' x 12" "intake cubby" and then the fan that is built into the floor will shoot that cold air up over the stacked lights,through the flower chamber and exhausted through (4)6" holes in the ceiling plumbed together to an 8" exhaust fan-filter.

i think its gonna be epic, folks.

so yeah, when i get the OBX and 2 x 4's to the spot, i will start taking picks and get a thread going. my first involving pics. all thanks to you, DHF!!!!

thanks again for the push. i will also throw in pics of the 1200w horizontal room, as well as the (2)4K flip rooms, FULL with 36 2ft chemdogs(18 each room) just going into 2nd round flower at my buddies spot, as well as a shit ton of OD. should be an active thread, guys.

i'll let y'all know when it goes live: im hoping for around may 15th.

RBDF
 
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DHF

I knew yas were just fuckin wit me RBDF....but....Been gettin bored round here without Bobbles and HGO along with Mega and several others fadin into the backgrond , so we need some new talent up in here......

Anti`s just gettin rollin and rockin so come on in the water`s fine.....

Peace....Freds....:ying:.....
 

Anti

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*** UPDATE WITH PICS! Round II (WEEK III of 12/12) ***

*** UPDATE WITH PICS! Round II (WEEK III of 12/12) ***

WEEK III



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^^^ Obligatory Opening Shot ^^^


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^^^ Angled From Top Corner, Left To Right ^^^



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^^^ From middle(ish) of Cabinet, Facing Right ^^^


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^^^ Rear Left Corner (Running Out of Room!) ^^^

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^^^ Close-Up of Developing Cola (Top Tier, Mid-Right) ^^^


(CONTINUED BELOW...)





 

Anti

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It's difficult to get good shots of what's happening on the bottom tier. I did my best:


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^^^ Rear wall ^^^


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^^^ Shot From Below ^^^


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^^^ Angled Shot From Underneath ^^^


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^^^ Best Shot I Could Get of Developing Bottom-Tier Top ^^^​
 
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LouDog420

Looks about perfect as opposed to overgrown, from where I'm sitting ;)

Can't wait to see the swellage
 

Anti

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Looks about perfect as opposed to overgrown, from where I'm sitting ;)

Can't wait to see the swellage

Are you accounting for the 2-3 lbs of missing fan leaves and lateral branches?

:)

Thanks!

I can't wait, either!
 
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2-3 lbs of defoliated leaves............and i was thinking she might be due for a light defol. here and there.

it looks like your on your way to some frosty budscicles bro...........nice as usual

i like the addition to your sig......a Pro Canna Super PAC is a way to play by their rules and make a change. ive also heard by some political pundants that the super pac/pac are nothing more than a money laundering entity b/c they can legally take large anonymous donations....peace
 
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DHF

I see minimal light/heat/low humidity stress , but OMG how many budsicles can yas pack into a small area....and....

Once stretch is over I see waaaay more swellage developin this round faster than round 1......so....

Look into gettin rid of the affected leaves that`re taco`in from lack of RH and brownin off at the edges for whatever reason from either heat/light/air stress issues to make room for replacements till end of stretch cuz foliage forms fast in stretch to make roots and budsites....and then....

Yas can get rid of all of em when hormone changes have moved into full swellage for full sideways canopy penetration/absorption to make all them budsicles be all they can be till harvey ftw....

All about the dialage ....Can`t wait till yas got enough side by side room for buncha 3/4-1 oz budsicles trained and trimmed for max results in minimum area....

My kinda shit....DHF....:ying:....
 

Anti

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Look into gettin rid of the affected leaves that`re taco`in from lack of RH and brownin off at the edges for whatever reason from either heat/light/air stress issues to make room for replacements till end of stretch cuz foliage forms fast in stretch to make roots and budsites....and then....
I believe that the issues you are speaking of are mostly happening with fans that happen to be in the path between the fan and the bulb.

According to my humidistat, the lowest it goes is 62% and the highest is around 79% in a 24 hour period. I think part of this is that the humidifier drains as it is being used. So when it's full, we're almost always in the 72% - 75% range and I am refilling it every 24-30 hours.

Temps stay pretty steady in the upper to mid 70's, but they drop to 66 F with lights off.

Yas can get rid of all of em when hormone changes have moved into full swellage for full sideways canopy penetration/absorption to make all them budsicles be all they can be till harvey ftw....

All about the dialage ....Can`t wait till yas got enough side by side room for buncha 3/4-1 oz budsicles trained and trimmed for max results in minimum area....

My kinda shit....DHF....:ying:....
As far as fan removal, I think I did most fan removal between week 4 and 5 last time. Are there tell-tale signs that I can be looking for so that I am not just guessing?

As always, thank you for taking the time to sit on your bucket and type all this stuff for my benefit.

:thank you:
 

silver hawaiian

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I agree with heady, who agrees with Lou.

Anti, if nothing else (but there's plenty else), your grows make me feel a bit amateurish in that my stoner ways keep me struggling to have, say, 9 plants ready to flip at once. You, on the other hand, have 64 (?) of 'em, all uniform-like, soldiers in a phalanx..

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Take the fans off as soon as stretch is DEFINITELY over (after a couple of days of zero vertical growth).

Put a float valve in your humidifier so that you don't have to fill that bad boy up every day manually and could take a vaca once in a while.

Get yourself a light meter to take all the guesswork out of proper light/rack placement for your next setup (~$50 for a serviceable one from eBay), and screw a square setup.........make something as close to a circle as possible - I went with 22.5 fittings (PVC structure) to make it as round as possible, but if you're making a wood structure, I'm sure you could do something similar - make 16 sides instead of 8 :)
 

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