Seeking Critique on Vert Colosseum SOG concept.

[Anti]

I'm sure they've grown quiet a bit these last four, but I'm not asking for anything more *coughs* early update *cough* Hows it seem to be going Anti?

I've raped and pillaged them. I'll do an official update in two days. (2 weeks.)

I've systematically removed almost every branch over the course of this last week. They were simply getting too tall and the internode spacing on those lower nodes is just out of control. Plants are still nice and green and pistils have begun to appear in the last 48 hours.

I'm already making plans for next round.

I think the plan will be to take clones in about two weeks. That way, they can have two weeks to root and have a week or two to veg under CFLs and then go straight into the flowering room as soon as the harvest comes down.

 

[smokesalot420]

Wow Im late to the thread but it sure is coming along nicely Anti! Tagged for sure, I'll be watching from now on

 

[150wpimpin]

That's why I love sketchup. Wasn't sure how to do it so I started playing in sketchup. I think all I have to do is get a piece of scrap wood and use my jigsaw to experiment with the perfect hole size. Then the shelf is simply 3 pieces of wood joined at 90 degree angles. Cut four holes using a jigsaw into the top piece of wood. Assembly complete.[/quote]


forget holes make one long slot that your containers will fit into.

assuming they have a lip to hold them in.

 

[Anti]

forget holes make one long slot that your containers will fit into.

assuming they have a lip to hold them in.

You have some catching-up to do.

 

[150wpimpin]

You have some catching-up to do.

yea lol my bad i realized this as i was reading your thread sorry lol

 

[Anti]

WEEK 2

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Notes:

I put the bamboo stakes in on the top tier plants so that I could tie them back. This was the only way I could begin to wade into the canopy to remove the overgrowth.

Definitely needed to flip sooner. Starting to think that in order to achieve a "wall of colas" the way we've planned it from the beginning is going to be to veg plants for a week or less under CFL and then drop them into the beds and flip immediately next round. Under CFL, I would flower straight from rooted clone, with maybe 2-3 days MAX of veg time before flipping, and I would grow bud right down to the soil line in nice, tight budsicles. Maybe I need to crowd more (smaller) plants into each tier, so that they'll shoot up a foot or so and stop and then swell out in a cylinder until they end up almost touching their neighbor... like DHF keeps preaching from his bucket.

I still think I will get a salvagable yield from this round. I am keeping careful eye on my mamas and they are ready to give me clones whenever I say so. I will have clones ready to plant when this harvest comes down. Bet on it.​

 

[Bonzo]

awesome anti...

 

[greenmatter]

looks good man!

"salvagable yield" ???? ........ yeah ...... i think so too!

 

[DHF]

I like it when folks listen.....cuz the less yas gotta fuck with your bitches at ALL , the faster they`ll blast off and hoon fer yas....so...

Point blank...Once yas dial that AK bitch and know where she`ll stop stretchin after pullin the trigger , and they are side by side touchin each other and swellin till end of cycle.....then and only then.....

Is when you`ll reap whatchas sew with full sideways canopy and more crops per yr with faster turnaround with a true set it and ferget it setup totally dialed....now....

Said this before , but this next run take mega mega cuts cuz no 2 cuts grow the same , and pickin the cream of the crop/pick of the litter`s always been a way I hedged my bets on creatin the perfect canopy once stretch was over....

Put the best in the bloom rooms and the rest went to da compost pile....Only the strong survive IME....might as well start out with em yas heard?.......and OK......

Back on my bucket.....DHF..........

 

[BroughtSuperior]

Top notch bro, lets see them fatten up now, its gonna get crowded with budz!!
1L

 

[ImaginaryFriend]

with maybe 2-3 days MAX of veg time before flipping, and I would grow bud right down to the soil line in nice, tight budsicles.

I know you know this, but keep in mind the modifications to your environment on this run. You brought your RH up, so all bets were off relative to what you're used to. As you move forward, don't forget to keep track of where you kept your RH running on this crop so you can predictably replicate it next run.

But I know you know this...

I don't know if it is visible in the AK cut you run, but often in small clones it is possible to see them (new growth color change, general posturing) to start to 'take off' after transplant. In your garden, that would be 'my' trigger to flip. I think.

Looking great overall. Good positioning towards the future!

Glad you pulled them back... too much canopy crowding the light can block penetration to other plants. Keep in mind where your optimum power zone is, and keep everything behind it.

 

[Anti]

I appreciate the kind words, guys!

Thank you!

 

[redbudduckfoot]

couple ideas for yer next run.

build a new vert-cab-stadium-thingy. the inner diameter should be 3ft. perfect square.

it wont cost all that much, and the way im thinking, you will blow your old numbers out of

the water.

no stadium bleachers, think sky-box. trenches stacked one on top of another; three

levels this time.

and of course, stack those lights, a la bobble racks.

33 plants per level, so 99 to stay below fed limits/all that bullshit. or balls to the wall

36 x 3 = 108.

all you would have to get is 9 grams per budsicle if you went 99 plants; 8.3 if you ran 108.

i have been wanting to say this for a while, finally said it. your plants are way, i mean

WAY to close to the bulbs. with my 1K vert, the plants grew best at about 2 ft from the

bulb. with 400's, i would guess 1ft would be great. so 1.5 diameter, 10" or so budsicles,

should be just about perfect.

just some input. with "Vert," you gotta go vert.

hope you still kill itthis round, gro-bro!!!

RBDF

 

[Anti]

:double post:

 

[Anti]

couple ideas for yer next run.

build a new vert-cab-stadium-thingy. the inner diameter should be 3ft. perfect square.

no stadium bleachers, think sky-box. trenches stacked one on top of another; three levels this time.

and of course, stack those lights, a la bobble racks.

33 plants per level, so 99 to stay below fed limits/all that bullshit.

RBDF - I appreciate your suggestions... I am actually leaning toward re-designing the system as soon as I have the cash flow to do so. Because I don't want any downtime, my plan is to have the next run ready to roll when this harvest is ready... and then when I get some money, I'll start building a new chamber more along the lines of what you are describing and have it ready to replace round 4.

I have been kicking around the idea of making a true octagon to keep all 8 sides at relatively equal distances from the lamps.

It seems like you're saying that I should have 3 tiers (instead of 2) but have them all closer together in vertical distance... and that the innermost tier should enclose a 3' square with the bulbs hanging in the center. Currently, the table dimensions are 2.5' x 6', so if I halved it, the current OUTER tier are within 4" of what you are describing as is.

Let me know if I have your suggestion right.

What I was envisioning was 2 or 3 stacked bulbs with a single tier around each bulb, but otherwise basically the same as you are describing.

 

[heady blunts]

I don't get why this is overgrown. it looks like stretch is slowing down and after a good prune everyone except maybe the corner plants is going to get plenty of light and have enough headroom.

what am I missing here?

 

[Anti]

I don't get why this is overgrown. it looks like stretch is slowing down and after a good prune everyone except maybe the corner plants is going to get plenty of light and have enough headroom.

what am I missing here?

Well... all the plants are already taller by several inches than they got at the END last round. A lot of that height is just going to be a bare stalk... so other than the chance for the roots to grow (which is not to be knocked) that bare stalk isn't going to translate to more buds.

I shortened the table 6-7 inches... so there's more headroom... but it is finite.

Honestly, I'd rather have short, relatively well-behaved budsicles than have to do a bunch of training. If I can get bud all the way to the base of the plant and have it be a foot and half tall, well.. I'll take that too!

Problem with just about any training method that i can imagine is that will get progressively harder to reach the lower tier as the buds start to swell. I do my level best not to make contact with any of my bud until it goes into jars. If I need to right now, I can temporarily pin a few plants to the left and right and make a little "v" that I can reach through to tend the bottom plants. (which is still a bitch.)

However... my rootmass being larger and being fed much more often and with pH swings firmly in check should mean that I should be able to surpass last round's results, even if I don't get the optimum possible results from the setup this time.

The main reason I am considering a redesign is to make pruning/training easier on myself. Getting to plants on the lower level is a bitch at best. The table is on wheels, so I can pull it all the way out of the cabinet to work, but the problem with that is that I have to move the lights, fans and humidifier, then pull the table out, do whatever trimming, etc. and then put it all back.

I dunno.

I'm sure what will happen is that I will start dicking around in sketchup on a concept, then I'll make a thread about it and I'll keep running this setup in the meantime and keep dialing it in and then when the other concept fleshes itself out I will start building it.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

I just spent about 3 hours trimming fan leaves off my plants. I just slid the racks around to get at both sides. I came out sticky as all get up from the buds. I can never seem to remove the fans with out getting sticky. I try to limit my contact with the buds but I never can seem to. Your grow must be a real pain in the other end to get at the bottom plants. Maybe you could cut your table in half and clamp it together to move it in and out to trim. I am sure you will figure it out.

 

[glockdoc]

what would be the best thing for me to max out yield and space in 1.44 sq ft. what would you do?

 

[Crusader Rabbit]

I still think I will get a salvagable yield from this round.

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I'm having trouble seeing from the photos how tall the lower tier of plants have grown. Are you thinking about tying them back somehow to keep the doughnut effect with side lighting? Seems that if they fill in that bottom opening you'll have top lighting for them from that point on.