Seeds of Africa seedbank???

[Mustafunk]

I was never impressed by SOAD stock to be honest... especially after having grown several cultivars from African Seeds, Afropips and many imported african seeds for years. Many of us were dissapointed with some of those strains as well but maybe that's because we have a very specific idea about what are we looking for. I guess that's what many other guys do when they are looking for the holy grail Colombians or Mexicans too.

Yeah diversity is good to certain degree but when you are used to grow or breed NLDs you develop a certain eye to know whether something is interesting or not. Especially in terms of breeding. Only because you purchase or get a batch of seeds tagged one name, it doesn't mean it should be 100% true or accurate.

All that about compact growing "sativas" is bullshit in my opinion, mostly coming from those who aren't willing to get over the fact that the plants they are growing may have been hybridized at some point or maybe they aren't what people may expect from the name. It's funny but everytime someone speaks about "compact sativas" is when they are presenting us their modern mexicans, colombians or africans of uncertain origin or lineage.

Cannabis plants are either ganja-plants or hash-plants. Also plants could be either tropical or sub-tropical origin. Those two families and origins are making clear distinctions between plants, uses and characteristics. Period.

The thing is that just like what happens with Colombians, Africans, Jamaicans or Mexicans nowadays. African strains have been hybridized as well, maybe not just as much but still happened. South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco and many other traditional ganja producing countries from Africa have been a melting pot of genetics for decades.

It's just not possible that we can still find cultivars in Nigeria, Congo, South Africa or Reunion going up to 20 weeks and then also 8-10 week compact looking plants? It just doesn't make sense. Compare that to what happened in Mexico or Colombia for example. Modern Jamaicans as well... you just need to compare a true Mexican, Colombian or Senegalese with any of the modern strains we can often see here. Why are long flowering cultivars dissapearing all the time? Because farmers don't make as much profit from traditional plants as they can from faster western hybrids.

With the demand for interesting African genetics or traditional NLDs outside the ovesaturated hybrid market, more companies try to attract customers to their products. Unfortunately, many of them are just trying to make the most of the trends instead of offering true traditional seeds from a verified source.

This is what happens when people behind a company aren't real Cannabis experts or breeders but people trying to make cash on seed selling. How can we trust people like that? I'd rather grow my own bagseed, study plants, keep learning and make conclussions on my own.

Peace.

P.S: On the Landrace and Heirloom debate:

Landraces are basically made by the place and conditions they are being grown. They are plant populations which are linked to a certain enviroment characteristics (ecotypes that have been semi-domesticated if you want). Basically they were wild plants that become highly adapted to a very specific enviroment (and its availability of nutrients, water, weather, soil, farming techniques...) with minimum selection by man, but definitely the result of: a certain enviroment + natural evolution + basic man selection.

This is also the reason why they still offer huge genetic variability which makes them very rustic, adaptable and sturdy overall. Yet they have enough common characteristics to be considered part of a certain recognisable plant population happening in a very certain location. This is the rason why landraces are named with their place/village of origin.

On the other hand, heirlooms are the result of man's work to preserve a traditional cultivar and they are fairly stable, homogeneus and always feature a handful of desirable characteristics happening, just like their ancestors. As opposed to landraces, they aren't defined by it's strict relation to a certain enviroment or ecosystem where they evolved.

Besides what's commonly known, they aren't true open-pollinated plants because quite often only the seeds from best plants are kept. That's how the heirlooms reached their homogeneous and stable status within the years. They are also traditionally passed from one generation to another and preserved like that. Some people only consider pre-1945 seeds as true heirlooms, the time when modern agriculture and hybrid crops become widespread in the market. Obviously Cannabis heirlooms should be the oldschool, pre-80s and pre-skunk cultivars, or any cultivars predating the crazy hybridisation that happened since the introduction of Kush hashplants.

Obvioulsy because of Cannabis scene's characterisitics, most of the times we can't apply standard real plant breeding criteria. Cannabis breeders are newbies and wannabes if we compare them to real plant breeders, so are Cannabis cultivars and varieties. Most aren't even close to the requirements of traditional plant breeding organizations like UPOV and some others.

Developing your own landraces is easy on the other hand, heirloom vegetable gardeners have been doing it for years. You just need to grow together in your local spot a similar number of seeds from a few dozens of different cultivars (heirlooms, open-pollinated or stable hibrids are preferred, the more different cultivars the best genetic diversity at the end) and let nature do her thing for a big period of time. The resulting seed crop of this big cross-pollination will be the begginning of a new possible landrace population that may keep evolving through the years with minimum farmer intervention and lots of survival-of-the-fittest selection. This promotes hybrid vigour and avoids inbreeding depression. This is basically how true landraces started everywhere.

In 10 years you may start finding intersting results and maybe in 25 years, you will have your very own local landrace, adapted to your own enviroment and still featuring a huge genetic potential against different growing conditions, pests, enviroments, diseases and cultural practices. Definitely much more adapted to your conditions than any hybrid you may grow. Maybe you can start with 50-100 seeds of 10-25 different strains. I know heirloom farmers who started growing up to 100 different cultivars together and ended with amazing results within 6-10 years.

 

[idiit]

my mandigo cut of soa Malawi is my favorite smoke and one of my top 5 breeders.

the male I used to pollinate several strains including my soa Malawi p2's has proven it's field tested ( by me ) performance in every category I measure by except extreme psychoactivity.

the zamal's and durbans were heavily influenced by indica( wld) imo but I was able to find and select for breeding out of two packs of the zamals and durbans nld phenos that I was satisfied with as being without noticeable wld influence.

soa seeds are field collected from growers in Africa. I believe that statement to be true.

the in line breeding by the growers in Africa probably left much to be desired. but these guys probably only get a few pennies/packet of the final bud product compared to the high$ returns they get on growing adam genetics. this is pretty much true everywhere in the world from what I've gleaned from following posts on forums. basically. they are not getting paid enough to put in the ilb efforts is my speculation.

there undoubtably is a lot of pollution including but not limited to adam genetics. I would say that's true in most civilized parts of the world. growers of landraces need to shoulder some of the responsabilty imo in selection and subsequent breeding.

ppl want stuff handed to them. everyone seems to want someone else to do the ilb ( in line breeding ) work. the ppl growing from seed in Africa probably don't have the indoor resources (indoor grow areas, lamps, etc.) to do the necessary clean up work involved in ilb projects.

 

[egodeath]

I was never impressed by SOAD stock to be honest... especially after having grown several cultivars from African Seeds, Afropips and many imported african seeds for years. Many of us were dissapointed with some of those strains as well but maybe that's because we have a very specific idea about what are we looking for. I guess that's what many other guys do when they are looking for the holy grail Colombians or Mexicans too.

Yeah diversity is good to certain degree but when you are used to grow or breed NLDs you develop a certain eye to know whether something is interesting or not. Especially in terms of breeding. Only because you purchase or get a batch of seeds tagged one name, it doesn't mean it should be 100% true or accurate.

All that about compact growing "sativas" is bullshit in my opinion, mostly coming from those who aren't willing to get over the fact that the plants they are growing may have been hybridized at some point or maybe they aren't what people may expect from the name. It's funny but everytime someone speaks about "compact sativas" is when they are presenting us their modern mexicans, colombians or africans of uncertain origin or lineage.

Cannabis plants are either ganja-plants or hash-plants. Also plants could be either tropical or sub-tropical origin. Those two families and origins are making clear distinctions between plants, uses and characteristics. Period.

The thing is that just like what happens with Colombians, Africans, Jamaicans or Mexicans nowadays. African strains have been hybridized as well, maybe not just as much but still happened. South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco and many other traditional ganja producing countries from Africa have been a melting pot of genetics for decades.

It's just not possible that we can still find cultivars in Nigeria, Congo, South Africa or Reunion going up to 20 weeks and then also 8-10 week compact looking plants? It just doesn't make sense. Compare that to what happened in Mexico or Colombia for example. Modern Jamaicans as well... you just need to compare a true Mexican, Colombian or Senegalese with any of the modern strains we can often see here. Why are long flowering cultivars dissapearing all the time? Because farmers don't make as much profit from traditional plants as they can from faster western hybrids.

With the demand for interesting African genetics or traditional NLDs outside the ovesaturated hybrid market, more companies try to attract customers to their products. Unfortunately, many of them are just trying to make the most of the trends instead of offering true traditional seeds from a verified source.

This is what happens when people behind a company aren't real Cannabis experts or breeders but people trying to make cash on seed selling. How can we trust people like that? I'd rather grow my own bagseed, study plants, keep learning and make conclussions on my own.

Peace.

P.S: On the Landrace and Heirloom debate:

one could get into detail on the landrace and heirloom debate, your description in the quote is good.
it can be hard to draw a line between heirloom and landrace in my view but thats a debate i will leave to experts.
what i find important and wanted to emphasize is to understand that a big variation is not a sign of landraces or heirlooms, they have a uniqueness that can be identified, they surely arent like modern hybrids that all look alike but they are unique and are an isolated population that bred together and have characteristics that can be used to distinguish them from other landraces, heirlooms, strains, varieties.

if you look at the world, i think it is very hard to find any ancient landraces as a true regional variety of cannabis anymore, at least it would be ahrd for me.
i mean the world is really big and africa is gigantic, but if you think about how everything has been destroyed in a very short time and how everything has been turned upside down and into shit it is very startling and sad indeed i think.
it would be nice if the stories of SOA would be true, a strain hidden in a secret place and old tribes growing them, but i think those times are over at least for the most part but hey, maybe the strains i got really are from a secret place and they have magical powers

 

[egodeath]

Looking for pure unaltered cannabis strains is very much like chasing the dragon,

Arent we all just dreamers ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUy2AtjmshQ

 

[true grit]

mustafunk- Don't think short growing sats are a myth. Theres plenty of examples of drug type landraces that have short phenos. Several thai for examples. Ive also heard of short bushed african phenotypes as well. Not trying to be contrary but just stating there are some. I have some old thai beans I've been told to dig into that produce bushes.

Was recently gifted some malawi black/black magic beans. Sure they are probably malawi gold, but look forward to seeing if theres any surprises.

 

[idiit]

I've grown out the auto zamal from zamaldelica, the soa zamal and the Christophe zmal aka gypsy's zamal that was reproduced by fritzman at defunct bsc.

in the gypsy zamal stock reproduction I've found mango ( fermented fruit), carrot, purple, pepper phenos. in the soa zamal I went thru two packs and found 1 nld male and two nld females; all non hermie. I ran the soa zamal indoors and outdoors. I had pictures posted but I had a scary event where one patch was being heavily watched by leo even though it was only 10 plants. leo looked right at me when I was coming in thru the woods and I "asshole and elbows" it out of there and took down all my pics when I safely got home (a couple years ago). the two mango zamals (one from soa, one from gypsy stock) were so similar I could not tell the difference. both of soa zamal females were mango ( fermented fruit). they were nld phenos. they grew huge and were bushy.

from that experience I believe soa zamal was legitimate.

I've gone thru the French cannabis forum that has a ton of posts on zamal being grown in the French colony of la reunion which is an island west of Madagascar. gyspy's zamal is highly thought of by everyone on that forum which includes the breeders bourbon which is a group of growers on zamal dedicated to growing and preserving the zamal strains on the isle of reunion.

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Crop landraces and hybrids on the island of Reunion

24-02-2015 - The different strains of landraces
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With joy, I come back to see you following our story with Cannabis Sativa L, the Zamal and its hybrid culture for therapeutic use. But first, it is necessary to present our island and its 9 Landrace strains endemic to certain imported for others. ? The island of Reunion has a very diverse flora with over 1200 species of plants, some endemic, which took place "Ti ti lamp lamp", little by little, by the vagaries of hurricanes, sea currents and then human migrations, especially during colonization to exploit sugarcane. With a large number of microclimates that make us go around the world by browsing not even 450 kilometers, the possible ways of meeting us to grow our deals multitudes Zamal amid plants, native and endemic flowers of all kinds ... I can not tell you the pleasure to cultivate outside "the plant of immortality" around palm trees, coconut palms, banana and all sorts of flowers just as beautiful as the other one, in a framework of peace more or less sought because it is still possible for each Creole desires, to live in perfect union with nature, in a spirit roots, surrounded by people who cultivate the same state of mind .. But that magical side of our island, I leaves to discover the great traveler in search of spirituality. It does not tale, it is alive ... This little escapade must still bring us to talk about the principal, Zamal. Its scientific name is Cannabis sativa L. and its common name, Indian Hemp. I insist on this description because many do not understand that "Zamal" does not include an endemic variety of cannabis. This local name derives from the Malagasy word "ZAMALA" which covers a group of several varieties or "kalite" as they say in Creole, with at least 9 different strains, coming from Asia, Africa, India, Madagascar , Pakistan and China, some 100% Sativa and Indica dominance with some other and of course, Ruderalis. It is part of the family or Cannabaceae Cannabaceae. This bad news also comes from these seed banks and seed distributor rather, who appropriated the name "Zamal" by selling grain obtained by tourists, who retrieves, usually during some crazy moments looking for a good firecracker. This is herb found in the street, like the famous "Grain kalite" to designate a seed head or plain "kalite Zom-Fam" to refer to a foot herma, the worst "kalite Flower" to refer to a foot male! In short, a serious lack of expertise and research of its banks, which unscrupulous dare affirm that these Zamal, without even giving the name of the exact strain because they do not know it, distributing a little grain reliable because it rarely reaches maturity, usually with a high rate of hermaphroditism making its complex culture and uninviting
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But back to the story of Zamal, during the 18th century, it would seem that slaves from India, Madagascar and Africa have brought the first cannabis strains. The slaves used the zamal during spiritual ceremonies or for personal use purely recreational. The K1 and Mango Carrot could be part of these first or landraces endemic strains. We will return to these two strains in more detail.

The "Fil Rouz" or Filament Rouge gets its red color from the blood behalf flowering pistils, its origin would be the Cirque de Salazie, but it is also found in Mafate. Very rare variety, it will be known as the "White Wire Cilaos" as by "Gramouns" grandfathers, Island ups or the descendants of his own gramouns .. We will come back next time because we have not been able to make beautiful harvests term because of the repression.

The "Kalités" known and tested since 1968 by several members of our group, are appropriate names for the purpose, appearance orthe geographical original position. Eg the "kalite Mangu'Carot" or Mango Carrot, whose strains are of Indo-Afro-Malagasy origin, owes its name to its terpenes, which perfectly mimics the taste of the fruit Mango Carrot beside which it is usually grown . The "kalite Mangu'Ka" further develop its terpenes and the effect is seen in tenfold. Another magical stage we will reveal later, because as many may know, several varieties of fruit trees, such as mango, are known for their terpenes similar to that of cannabis.

The kalite "Sek Pat O" or "O Pié Sek," has its origins in North Africa, see Afghanistan, and will be harvested once the plant has dried in the ground. Its highly resinous buds will be its effect very High and earthy taste, will satisfy many experts, but remains fairly rare because flowering is very long, from 38 to 52 weeks depending on its location on the island. There is also the Jak Kaite the Pèch kalite the kalite Ste Roz and kalite MAUV Poiwré or kalite Pepper!

Of the 9 varieties recognized on the island, we will tell you specifically two landraces in this report, The Mango Carrot and kalite Taffe 1 or K1, also known by the ancients, the "kalite Tizan", which most often is used decoction or long infusion, with water, alcohol or rum, call "Rum Kaya" to calm asthma, anxiety attacks or stomach pain. It is also smoked at family ceremonies to celebrate the end of the cutting cane. In our animal pens, the zamal aid to livestock or to prepare a drain cock in combat before entering the round ... etc.

Unfortunately, this period is over because young people have hijacked the plant for regular recreational or illicit trade, so it became more difficult to find good stocks, because of the explosive demand Zamal fact that our streets it is harvested too early and the lack of experience of these young people, we find that more and more hybrid or hermas feet with solid buds seeds. There is more control stem and many of our feet are contaminated by unknown strains.

The Zamal is grown illegally, despite a certain tolerance of the authorities but our beautiful still very pervasive in the ground, it will encourage its cultivation in pots, which also allows us to get them under lights in case of bad weather and cyclone or best control infections.

The gossips have much maligned culture Zamal since 1960. His strong THC effects make him sometimes be called "Devil's plant" because the novice or poorly educated consumer will not expect to dazzling effects and Zamal can be found in a state of "bad trip" or "White" leaving the user lethargic, more master of his thoughts for several hours. The effect of some Zamal will take the traveler in search of spirituality to "another world".
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Our Collective Breeders Bourbons brings together true lovers of Zamal, exploit strains gramounes collected for over 40 years and show to the world that we have still the most powerful Landrace! The group allows us to partner with real specialists sativa order, at the same time, give the estimated this virtuous plant, which knew and still knows to heal and cure thousands of people in Reunion and show it is possible to grow Zamal elsewhere on our department. I'm especially a dedication to my friend JB who by his mastery of Sativa varieties, we completely honor the kind of testing our strains on his land in the north of Spain and especially the Mango Carrot, who finished flowering in the snow! My Mangu'o Pepper is also passed by the expert hands and developed a purple even denser, probably due to cooler temperatures in Europe. The Mango Carrot and K1 will remain the two easiest strains to grow in Europe thanks to their robustness and ease of adaptation to pests. Despite a necessary human help, you can get very good results with the chosen spot. We always advise a trellis in the open ground of foot, along its length, to the north, with regular size of apical buds to control the foot while leaving enough length to the ground. The maximum height of a little walk K1 reach 4.5 m to 6 m depending on the spot, a scrog is even recommended outdoors. For Mango Carrot, we just easily let it grow vertically, by cutting the apex .. It will stop its growth in height, to make way for a stretch while width. This can also be controlled by a scrog or a good trellising. We will try to come back in more detail, as and extent of coverage, our cultures, always more beautiful pictures. With a little patience, our landraces will be given the honor of with their beauty and especially for their therapeutic potential. Soon ... and as they say in Creole: "Pa lo Largu Frer, ti ti lamp lamp will Gayne nou" ("Coward nothing, brother, little by little, we will get there"). ? One Love!
^ google translated from link below:

http://www.softsecrets.nl/fr/abc/100...-de-la-reunion

the collective of growers called Le Collectif Breeders Bourbon have often stated that is very difficult even on la reunion isle to get non adulterated zamal.

that's about as good an authentication of soa zama as I think ppl need. you just got to hunt for the best unadulterated phenos.

if you want legit zamal French Touch Seeds carries two of the many zamal strains that Collective Breeders Bourbons have ilb for over 15 years.

 

[Frankwills]

I was never impressed by SOAD stock to be honest... especially after having grown several cultivars from African Seeds, Afropips and many imported african seeds for years. Many of us were dissapointed with some of those strains as well but maybe that's because we have a very specific idea about what are we looking for. I guess that's what many other guys do when they are looking for the holy grail Colombians or Mexicans too.

Yeah diversity is good to certain degree but when you are used to grow or breed NLDs you develop a certain eye to know whether something is interesting or not. Especially in terms of breeding. Only because you purchase or get a batch of seeds tagged one name, it doesn't mean it should be 100% true or accurate.

All that about compact growing "sativas" is bullshit in my opinion, mostly coming from those who aren't willing to get over the fact that the plants they are growing may have been hybridized at some point or maybe they aren't what people may expect from the name. It's funny but everytime someone speaks about "compact sativas" is when they are presenting us their modern mexicans, colombians or africans of uncertain origin or lineage.

Cannabis plants are either ganja-plants or hash-plants. Also plants could be either tropical or sub-tropical origin. Those two families and origins are making clear distinctions between plants, uses and characteristics. Period.

The thing is that just like what happens with Colombians, Africans, Jamaicans or Mexicans nowadays. African strains have been hybridized as well, maybe not just as much but still happened. South Africa, Nigeria, Morocco and many other traditional ganja producing countries from Africa have been a melting pot of genetics for decades.

It's just not possible that we can still find cultivars in Nigeria, Congo, South Africa or Reunion going up to 20 weeks and then also 8-10 week compact looking plants? It just doesn't make sense. Compare that to what happened in Mexico or Colombia for example. Modern Jamaicans as well... you just need to compare a true Mexican, Colombian or Senegalese with any of the modern strains we can often see here. Why are long flowering cultivars dissapearing all the time? Because farmers don't make as much profit from traditional plants as they can from faster western hybrids.

With the demand for interesting African genetics or traditional NLDs outside the ovesaturated hybrid market, more companies try to attract customers to their products. Unfortunately, many of them are just trying to make the most of the trends instead of offering true traditional seeds from a verified source.

This is what happens when people behind a company aren't real Cannabis experts or breeders but people trying to make cash on seed selling. How can we trust people like that? I'd rather grow my own bagseed, study plants, keep learning and make conclussions on my own.

Peace.

P.S: On the Landrace and Heirloom debate:

Hi Musta!

Just popped into my "My IC" page a few minutes ago for the first time in a long time and only now noticed your message.

Can you message me at Shantis forum, same username, because I can't message anyone here.

I have some true African Seeds Rooi Bart kerns which I had put away and found only a year ago while shifting premises. They are 2nd generation from the originals that Karl from African Seeds had sent me, and I open pollinated a pack, but gave away thousands back in the day, about 12 or so years ago from memory. You may even recall when I did it, it was just before OverGrow closed.

I would like someone to seed them out again and send a shitload to Gypsy for the fund. I've run out of season to do them here plus I'm not in a good position to do a big open grow now.

Let me know either way... if you can't do it, I'll ask others, not to worry matey. But if you can, I need to tell you what phenos etc to look for because she has 1 pheno in her that is best eliminated.

Talk to you soon Musta.

 

[Frankwills]

... and hi to my friend Kaiki from Cannabio... hope you well Amigo.

 

[CannaZen]

Hey sorry for stirring the pot' and disappearing.

Here's some photos of the pondo gen #1

 

[Genghis Kush]

Nice pics cannazen

 

[CannaZen]

From my novice perspective they are certainly different varieties though i've read that the transkei has a lot of mixed genetics which makes sense considering south africa was colonized and developed in that sense.
I would say the transkei is mostly sativa but with mixed genetics thrown in. Pondoland is in the transkei and its leaf/branch pre-stretch nodal characteristics are more similar than not to the transkei i grew imho. The few malawi that i grew were nothing alike to transkei but seemed to be indicative of mix as well, one pheno was essentially a squat fat-leafed indica structure with spicy earthy, skunky and lemon aromas, the male seems to be the most vigorous and only subtle skunk and spice, very light in aroma.

It should be noted that i only grew plants from a few seedlings of each variety.

Malawi

Pondo, purest leaf/branch node example

 

[Frankwills]

Message for Cannabissio...

I got your message and I'm wondering why you haven't messaged me at Shanti's forum. Drop me a line there with your details and you can have the LAST of them... if you promise to return some to Seedbay.

I also sent some to Clarence at Seedbay, he should receive them in about a week or two.... if he looks out for them, aye.

 

[Genghis Kush]

From my novice perspective they are certainly different varieties though i've read that the transkei has a lot of mixed genetics which makes sense considering south africa was colonized and developed in that sense.
I would say the transkei is mostly sativa but with mixed genetics thrown in. Pondoland is in the transkei and its leaf/branch pre-stretch nodal characteristics are more similar than not to the transkei i grew imho. The few malawi that i grew were nothing alike to transkei but seemed to be indicative of mix as well, one pheno was essentially a squat fat-leafed indica structure with spicy earthy, skunky and lemon aromas, the male seems to be the most vigorous and only subtle skunk and spice, very light in aroma.

It should be noted that i only grew plants from a few seedlings of each variety.

Malawi
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Pondo, purest leaf/branch node example
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Wow! that looks absolutely nothing like the Malawi that came out of my pack of seeds! mine looked like your pondo, which is looking nice by the way.


thanks for posting the pics CannaZen

 

[Frankwills]

All the Rooi Barts seeds are now gone to numerous growers around the globe.

If any of them of anyone else who may receive offspring of these seeds would like to know a bit about them, download the PDF writeup here:

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=55589624925861163600

I hope those who have them now spread them around for many future generations to enjoy.

I'm off overseas soon, so till we meet again, happy trails.

 

[CannaZen]

I feel like the picture of diversity shown of each varietal being sold from soa remains vague. Unfortunately i can be a very confused individual, I apologize if i am being disruptive to earlier conversation. I'm only trying to both learn and contribute. These seeds have a lot of potential! i'd like to hear and see what people are experiencing. i understand the need for security if you do not wish to take that risk but pictures allow for much more solid grounding than words from a few respected members who have their own single perspective and interests.

SoA have created a new website called seedsofafricastore, they also seem to have a facebook on which they upload photos of a few of their plant specimens they have found. Their new store seems to have improved descriptions. I will see if i can contact them to hear more. I can say one of my transkei plants (1 out of 2) that caught my interest over the lankier/bushier occasionally strong minty pheno expression, resembles that shown in the picture on their store. I feel it worth noting that their description of a wind and drought tolerant growth is not a big stretch for me. My male pondo shown in a few photos i've posted also contains a deep undertone of mango or orange but was also notable of heavy spice incense on top. It may match their orange thumbnail the same way the misty reminds me of spicy red but that, is a big stretch and could be placebo.

I hope you dont mind my OCD-like obsessive thoughts on this.

The malawi has also had these incense spice tones expressed at times, especially in the hash-plant looking pheno. The malawi male leaves resembled that much more so than my tall/lanky pondo, which seemed to rarely get those tones of smell so much as pine, herbal floral and citrus that at times could be zingy in intensity.

 

[idiit]

welcome aboard the soa train cannazen.


get your posts up past 50 and you get private message privileges.

I hope you dont mind my OCD-like obsessive thoughts on this.

this is a cannabis obsessive/compulsive/fanatic forum. you fit right in.

soa is having a hard time getting street cred. posts like yours are substantiating my perspective that I've been posting for some time.


please post mature bud pics and smoke reports.

 

[CannaZen]

welcome aboard the soa train cannazen.


get your posts up past 50 and you get private message privileges.

this is a cannabis obsessive/compulsive/fanatic forum. you fit right in.

soa is having a hard time getting street cred. posts like yours are substantiating my perspective that I've been posting for some time.


please post mature bud pics and smoke reports.

haha, thank you for welcoming me idiit! i appologize for interfering but
I can see no reason to be messaging people about in private regarding this, though i am sure various seed vendors would prefer such talk be kept private..
I understand posts that i've made can be quite ambiguous and perhaps i should not be adding my 'ultragreen' newbie postulations to things i note in my posts but that is a part of what allows us to learn, educate us where you feel appropriate. please do not attempt to curb what others can bring to the table, i find information that some may contribute to be much more valuable than a possibility that public discussion may threaten an obscure seed vendors future. I understand your desire to see SoA grow but Imho that borders on willful censorship of freedom of speech. They already are quite unique right now in what they are offering exclusively as a 'seedbank' that is fairly publicly available. The real heat is whether anybody finds value in them. Would you like me to create my own thread regarding soa seeds instead?

SoA themselves recommend cross pollination on at least a few or more strains of theirs. If you do some reading, they say they are trying to preserve african genetics by collecting and making them available. It should be well known that these are landrace/wild/hardy outdoor crop seeds from the sativa parallel that likely are also not seeds from plants grown in africa but rather from specimens that were collected. (sorry, that would be a postulation). I've seen Malawi and durban frequently sold out at times, congratulations. It is not that these seeds are not valuable and i'm not making any such claim but people should know to expect this going in regardless. In a per-legalized world, These seeds are very valuable for that era in my honest opinion. From the home to largescale farming, these seeds offer the opportunity for something unique in future generations that may be adapted for their particular climate and purpose. Africa would seem to be particularly 'ripe for the picking' of hardy, drought tolerant sativa varieties quite possibly. Am i being overly optimistic?

 

[idiit]

Would you like me to create my own thread regarding soa seeds instead?

if you want to that would be great.

I can see no reason to be messaging people about in private regarding this, though i am sure various seed vendors would prefer such talk be kept private..

pm privileges enables anyone here to talk in private about anything as long as ic terms of usage (tou's) are observed. comes in handy in unexpected ways.

I understand your desire to see SoA grow but Imho that borders on willful censorship of freedom of speech.

you just posted grow pics. I don't understand why mature bud pics and public smoke report is censorship of free speech.

Africa would seem to be particularly 'ripe for the picking' of hardy, drought tolerant sativa varieties quite possibly. Am i being overly optimistic?

no, these strains, especially Malawi are known for hardiness in outdoor grows, including their hybrids.

please do not attempt to curb what others can bring to the table

not my intent.

 

[Genghis Kush]

just smoked some freshly harvested Malawi Gold that my buddy grew.

very fluffy sativa buds.

comes on slow and subtle but very euphoric, mango taste, I think, its still very fresh



good stuff.

 

[idiit]

my soa mg is creeper; takes at least one hour to reach full potency effects. lasts up to 3 hours.