Seedling Problem, Yellowing and Twisting of Leaves

[SweetIndica2]

I thought the same thing when he didn't take your's or stitches advice.

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Well, if you have common fucking sense you would be able to read. I infact DID take their advice. When i'm talking about noobs i mean the group of people who post after the problem has been solved. Basically, stitch and hazetoker gave me the right advice, and then a bunch of other people jump in and tell me the EXACT same thing. Theres no need to post something, that someone already has said. Post count isn't that important, well atleast i hope it's not.

bonecarver- It may be overkill, but as long as it's not hurting them...then i don't really care. I mean, i will definately grab a T5 or something after this grow, but ATM i am broke.

Hazetoker- I did take your advice bro, if you read my earlier posts you would know that. Comprehend, and then post...

EDIT: Besides, this problem was basically out of my control. I know how to water, i know what the temps are supposed to be, etc. It's not like i haven't grown before, i have plenty of grows under my belt. I just am new to this environment i'm growing it. I used to grow in a different part of the house, that actually had insulation. I just wanted to know what the problem is, obviously i assumed it was the temps and now i know i need a heater. I learned from my mistakes, i'm hardly "stubborn" bro. Besides, i've seen your posts hazetoker and you aren't exactly an expert yourself.

 

[Guest]

Yea, stubborn was a poor choice of words. And I understand what you meant I just thought maybe ya might not wanna insult anybody for trying to help. Even if people come in after the fact and agree its still good for a consensus(spelling). I hope you got it all solved and reap large buds bro.

Good luck and have fun.

 

[Guest]

Did I ever say Im a expert?? Dont go there man! I was trying to help and I dont need a guy I tried to help to take cheap shots at me. I dont give bad advice and if Im wrong I will correct it. One thing thats for sure I dont have these kind of problems. Good attitude bro!

 

[budrezin]

so what was the problem, the temperature?

 

[SweetIndica2]

Hazetoker- no offense taken man! I think we both made some bad word choice. I just kinda took your comment a little heavily, as i'm sure you took mine. Thanks for helping me though, you and stitch were the main people who helped me. The temp is now 72 in there, because i grabbed a heater this morning. This discount store down the street had one radiator heater in box, it's a digital electric one...got it for $35, so far it seems to work well. It uses alot of power though, i blew a fuse today while trying to run my dishwasher with the light and heater going. I'm going to run it on low/medium heat while the light is on, and on medium/high when the light is off. I also noticed the cold air is coming from the slits in the floorboard, i can feel it rising up from there...so i am going to grab some tarps and lay them down on the floor of the room, this should trap the heat in even better so the temp should be around 75 or so.

Well, thanks for the help everyone!

 

[SweetIndica2]

so what was the problem, the temperature?

Yep, atleast that was the main problem and the stem of most of the other problems. The cold temps were obviously stunting growth, as well as making the roots cold and taking the water along time to evaporate. The pots are still fairly wet, and i haven't watered them in 9-10 days. I normally use the same mix of perlite/soil too. I'm sure they will dry out quicker now with the heater in there though.

 

[Frozenguy]

MAN!!

everyone needs to realize that HID's are not bad for seedlings!! all of you that said that, what do you think the plant was designed to grow under? you think the earth puts all its seedlings under floros? i have my seedlings about 5" from the glass on my light. its aircooled, but if it wasn't, i would keep it about 12-15 inches away. my temps are mid-high 70's and humidity has NOT GONE OVER 30%.. even though i want it around 40% its not getting there.. low humidity is not the problem, your light sin't the problem..

its the temp and the soil not drying out fast enough. the roots cant get air. it soundsl ike you know your problems so this is redundent.. but for those that think hids are bad, they are much better then floros if you have most of your parameters in check in your room. the plants LOVE the light.. HPS or MH.. MH more though i think.

it is a "waste" of electricity because maybe the performance isn't that much better, it is in no means bad or pointless. i definatly notice closer nodes with my 600watt and my roots are beautiful.. just transplanted outa red beer cups. the roots were very very well developed

 

[bonecarver_OG]

yeah - cost is allways the down side of the build ups of the grow rooms wouldnt it be nice to not to have to go on budget hehe for once

i was lucky and got hold of very many mountings and tubes of fluro from work. but thats only for the veg phase. it saves bucks too. i got 6 x 58 w and 8 x 18 - that makes almost 600W - but on a fraction of the price. fluoros for clones, veg and moms - its so economic it seems like a joke in the electricity bill.

for flowering i always go for HPS everything has its place.

all these are growing under fluoros. they are a bit younger than urs were in
the first pic

but yeah - its hdro in coco











for those cold floors - styrofoam works very well. i use high density sheets of isopore (about the samething) and it works well.

lots ofluck with those smal probs that allway comes up in a new grow room environment.

peace -bone

 

[SweetIndica2]

MAN!!

everyone needs to realize that HID's are not bad for seedlings!! all of you that said that, what do you think the plant was designed to grow under? you think the earth puts all its seedlings under floros? i have my seedlings about 5" from the glass on my light. its aircooled, but if it wasn't, i would keep it about 12-15 inches away. my temps are mid-high 70's and humidity has NOT GONE OVER 30%.. even though i want it around 40% its not getting there.. low humidity is not the problem, your light sin't the problem..

its the temp and the soil not drying out fast enough. the roots cant get air. it soundsl ike you know your problems so this is redundent.. but for those that think hids are bad, they are much better then floros if you have most of your parameters in check in your room. the plants LOVE the light.. HPS or MH.. MH more though i think.

it is a "waste" of electricity because maybe the performance isn't that much better, it is in no means bad or pointless. i definatly notice closer nodes with my 600watt and my roots are beautiful.. just transplanted outa red beer cups. the roots were very very well developed

Exactly, finally someone who understand. Plants that grow in the wild, are exposed to more light than indoor plants. I've used HPS's before, and have had no problem. The plants were growing fine until the temps dropped, which leads me to believe that obviously the temps were the main problem. Like you said, we know it's a waste of electricity...but electricity isn't a problem for me. Same thing with humidity, i've grown plenty of plants in this house which is ALWAYS dry and have never had any problems. Infact it's just as dry in alot of other places in the world where many marijuana variaties grow.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

fluoros are highly underrated. and there is alot of interesting researchdone on the light and growth rate etc.

the biggest differentce with fluoros is that the specific spectra of the day light tubes - actually make the roots grow quicker than wtih any other means of lightning.

but ofcourse - even a light bulb of 75 w will pull a seedling out so everythin works. thre is just some ways to use the necesary only - and save bucks etc.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

ur not doing wrong using HIDS - they obviously work too

dont take me wrong plz

 

[SweetIndica2]

yeah - cost is allways the down side of the build ups of the grow rooms wouldnt it be nice to not to have to go on budget hehe for once

i was lucky and got hold of very many mountings and tubes of fluro from work. but thats only for the veg phase. it saves bucks too. i got 6 x 58 w and 8 x 18 - that makes almost 600W - but on a fraction of the price. fluoros for clones, veg and moms - its so economic it seems like a joke in the electricity bill.

for flowering i always go for HPS everything has its place.

all these are growing under fluoros. they are a bit younger than urs were in
the first pic

but yeah - its hdro in coco











for those cold floors - styrofoam works very well. i use high density sheets of isopore (about the samething) and it works well.

lots ofluck with those smal probs that allway comes up in a new grow room environment.

peace -bone

If your using 600w's of fluros, how does it use any electricity than say a 600w hps? If i was going to use 600w's, i'd just use a 600w metal halide, or throw a conversion bulb in my 1000w. Even my 1000w only uses about $20-$25 of electricity a month, so a 600w is only using about $7-$10 less a month in electricity. If i do buy some fluros, i'm going to grab some T5's...they seem to be fairly efficient for their energy usage compared to most Fluros. Yours obviously look healthier for their age, but that has nothing to do with the type of light your using, well besides maybe a slight height difference. The stunted growth of my plants is caused by cold temps, so even if i was using fluros...they'd actually be stunted even more as the 1000w atleast helps bring the heat up a little.

 

[bonecarver_OG]

the light spectra does a heck of a lot. but also the hydro nutes and etc etc helps to keep plants saner easier - or atleast adjust problems quick.

those T5 seems awesome - hope they get here to europe soon also.

ah - remember a 22W fluro compact is like a 100W light bulb - it means it gives 5 x the light for the same electricity use. but of course over less distance. same with the HID and HPS comparison. the main reason for the invention of the tubes was that - cheaper light. the HID's and HPS use a lot of the wattage to produce just heat. thats waste but still a one hid puts out much more lumens than a fluoro tube - thats why there has to be many tubes to compensate the lumen issues.

a 600 w light needs 630 W about to work well it means the ballast is sucking those 30 extra i guess. those digital balast ive seen around pretty much have solved that.

anyway ur plants will most likely be nice small bushes in 2 weeks time and all will be fine

i had so many problems in the soil grows so i decided for coco long time ago. its easier really to grow hydro than in soil. thats why i respect nice soil grown bud.

peace mate

 

[Frozenguy]

i miss growing coco.. my roots got so massive in coco.. and i've used atami coco, botanicar coco, and canna coco.. canna coco by far is the best, next is atami coco (purple/white bag), and then botanicar coco (IMHO).. and that is "pottable" coco i'm talking about.. what nutes you use bonecarver? i guess i could check out your thread

 

[bonecarver_OG]

canna coco nutes are awesome

only prob ever is starting seeds - some ae more sensitive than others with the nutes in the beginning. but i mix all strains in all trays - and just get rid of the messy ones

 

[Guest]

Look I suggest flouros but I dont use em! I have 3 1k watt mh/hps switchables. I use the mh in veg and I use for the seedling stage ALSO. It is a waste in power but I have no real budget to worry about so I do what works. When I didnt have aircooled hoods I keep em over 3 feet away and with the air cooled hoods bout 24 inches till they got 2-3 sets of true leaves. MH is way better to veg under then hps in IMO. Instead of telling you to buy some 200-400 dollar mh system I thought cfl's would do you better. But, it really dont matter. What you got does the trick just keep it far away for now. BTW, do you got a fan blowing on the bulb or a air cooled hood? Since you use hps all the way through maybe you should check into the hps bulbs with increased blue/violet spectrum. And sweet indica2, its all good man I understand where you were coming from. Peace.

 

[Frozenguy]

I sprouted tomato/corn/cucumber/watermelon/red and green bell peppers in coco.. it was awesome, they were growing like nothing before.. then i left my door open one day.. to my vegtable room.. and my gf's cat ate the plants.. tore them all down.. she already tore down a 2ft vegging purple berry skunk.. the bitch.. but i love her.. so i just make sure to shut doors now..

grr..

EDIT: i love canna coco..
the a+b, rhizo, zym, pk13/14 and i hear canna bio-boost is really awesome.. but i havn't used it yet..

 

[bonecarver_OG]

haze - i agree with ya

HPS is definetly for flowering. the plants like the blue spectra for veg. the fact is hids have a more narrowlight colour spectrum that specifically affects the growth rate.

if i would do any comercial grows id invest in digital hids for veg. - but maybe combined with fluoros. we are doing a small experiment with one of the local growshop guys - one 250w hps veg after 3week 120W fluro veg. - the ones that came from flouros and moved to the hid were more branchy than the others and bigger. they ones from start with the HID were shorter and more compact.

also seeds outdoors germ better in spring than in fall. because of many things - but the light in spring is more blueish than in end summer.

frozen - all comercial greenhouses are going over to growing in coco - also botanical gardens and rose culturists. its the fact its so easy... and the results u get when u control it, is like nothng else.

the bio boost might or might not have made any dif in our last grow. didnt have a comparison. but the rest of the canna line is a must

 

[budrezin]

if low temps are your problem ,it's actualy lucky your using a 1000w light because they put out a lot of heat ,i could imagine how much colder it would be with fluoro's .actualy another hid would put out even more heat & probably use less power than the heater.

 

[SweetIndica2]

Look I suggest flouros but I dont use em! I have 3 1k watt mh/hps switchables. I use the mh in veg and I use for the seedling stage ALSO. It is a waste in power but I have no real budget to worry about so I do what works. When I didnt have aircooled hoods I keep em over 3 feet away and with the air cooled hoods bout 24 inches till they got 2-3 sets of true leaves. MH is way better to veg under then hps in IMO. Instead of telling you to buy some 200-400 dollar mh system I thought cfl's would do you better. But, it really dont matter. What you got does the trick just keep it far away for now. BTW, do you got a fan blowing on the bulb or a air cooled hood? Since you use hps all the way through maybe you should check into the hps bulbs with increased blue/violet spectrum. And sweet indica2, its all good man I understand where you were coming from. Peace.

Yea, i know i should have a conversion bulb...i'm definately going to purchase one after this grow. But since i don't have the cash, i just raised the HPS. I'm going to move it down slowly, i want to get it about a foot, maybe slightly further away. I use an air cooled hood (valuebrite 6" A/C) w/ a 265 dayton, which works great...but i haven't been running it due to the cold temps, with the fan on the light doesn't give off any heat which is actually a problem in this cold room. I don't use a regular HPS bulb, i use a hortilux super hps, 145,00 lumens and alot more par watts than most hps bulbs...i've always used hps's w/ hortilux bulbs for veg, they work fine...but now that i'm getting more and more into growing, every little thing that will make my grow better is what i want, which is why i want a conversion bulb.

bonecarver- oh, so your fluros aren't using 600w's? I know fluros are rated in equivalency to incandescent bulbs, but they still also give you the actual watt usage. If they only equivalent to 600w's of incandescents, then that still wouldn't be enough for me to veg the number of plants i need for even a few weeks.

I am interested in growing in coco though, but i do love growing with organics and soil, i love the taste and i seem to notice more potency when using organics also. I know it's generally accepted that hydro grown buds don't have as good of a taste as soil grows, is this the same with coco? Do i need to use hydroponic specific nutes when using coco? How is the yield in coco compared to soil or a hydroponic system? Is it easier to grow in coco or harder? I have also heard coco needs to be watered alot more often?