Seaspiracy documentary-

[member 505892]

Sam Harris discusses lab grown meat etc.... i admit i didn't like the 'idea' of lab grown meat, but after listening to this it really doesn't seem too bad....
If they can get it to a point where it is indiscernible from 'real' meat, or even better, is better for the environment, sustainable and costs less i think people will transition to it.... if you build it, they will come.
Same for electric cars. as they talk about.... there will be a few who yearn for the rumble of a combustion engine, just like some will yearn for a slab of steak from a live cow, but it will be a small, ever shrinking crowd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2WFhh25eoQ&ab_channel=SamHarris

 

[armedoldhippy]

That might be the problem as the way you see, and there you got my problem mate. You have an absolutt view of it and leave no possibility in you mind for another way. I simply have an other view point and I gladly share it and hope you dont mind. I really do believe all meat can be produced this way. I have played with numbers for years and put out in the practical work after the theory is worked out. So Im pretty convinced, I will admitt that.

What make you believe not all meat can be produced "my way" or another way of the recipe that is layed out today in the industry? Less acerage per X amount produced of meat? Too much labor? Too costy? Im curious.

total loss of advantage of economy of scale. profit-centric corporations (vast majority) COULD do better though. i'm not gonna sit up tonight waiting for it to happen.

 

[Gypsy Nirvana]

Fish used to be something that was easily affordable to most people - these days with wild caught Alaskan salmon going for £25 a kilo - and farmed Scottish salmon going for approx £18 a kilo - it's a a wealthy persons meat -

- and yeah - that Seaspiracy documentary is certainly an eye opener of how our seas and oceans are being plundered of any edible life - at the same time as becoming a toxic soup full of garbage due to humanity's careless sloth and greed -

 

[Green Squall]

The only farmed salmon I trust nowadays is from the Faroe Islands, otherwise I'm usually eating previously frozen sockeye.

 

[El Timbo]

Fish used to be something that was easily affordable to most people - these days with wild caught Alaskan salmon going for £25 a kilo - and farmed Scottish salmon going for approx £18 a kilo - it's a a wealthy persons meat -

- and yeah - that Seaspiracy documentary is certainly an eye opener of how our seas and oceans are being plundered of any edible life - at the same time as becoming a toxic soup full of garbage due to humanity's careless sloth and greed -

Mackerel is cheap, plentiful and healthy - not trendy though...

Also I hope people are watching/reading the various debunks of this documentary and not just believing everything in it.

 

[member 505892]

Mackerel is cheap, plentiful and healthy - not trendy though...

Also I hope people are watching/reading the various debunks of this documentary and not just believing everything in it.

Nope i haven't but did ~feel~ like it was a little cheaply made an performative, what did you find that was incorrect?

I think i'll still go vegetarian sooner or later, regardless.

 

[dragongrower]

That might be the problem as the way you see, and there you got my problem mate. You have an absolutt view of it and leave no possibility in you mind for another way. I simply have an other view point and I gladly share it and hope you dont mind. I really do believe all meat can be produced this way. I have played with numbers for years and put out in the practical work after the theory is worked out. So Im pretty convinced, I will admitt that.

What make you believe not all meat can be produced "my way" or another way of the recipe that is layed out today in the industry? Less acerage per X amount produced of meat? Too much labor? Too costy? Im curious.

Of course it could. It just does not because that would make meat too expensive.
I would love it all meat could be produced freerange but I just do not believe it is possible. From what I have learned it is just not effective enough. Meaning in area used / meat produced.
There is several billion people in the world, who for some reason all want to eat meat. And they (in genereal) all want it as cheap as possible.

This is also what I meant earlier in this thread. The Docu seaspiracy might not be correct on all terms, but it does show how massive production of meats is not good for the enviroment. It probably could be, if people wanted to pay what it actually cost to produce enviromentally good meat, but they just dont..

 

[Brother Nature]

Of course it could. It just does not because that would make meat too expensive.
I would love it all meat could be produced freerange but I just do not believe it is possible. From what I have learned it is just not effective enough. Meaning in area used / meat produced.
There is several billion people in the world, who for some reason all want to eat meat. And they (in genereal) all want it as cheap as possible.

This is also what I meant earlier in this thread. The Docu seaspiracy might not be correct on all terms, but it does show how massive production of meats is not good for the enviroment. It probably could be, if people wanted to pay what it actually cost to produce enviromentally good meat, but they just dont..

Come to New Zealand mate, you can see it's done like that here. Even McDonalds uses free-range grass fed beef here. Beef and lamb are one of our biggest exports.

 

[armedoldhippy]

if people wanted to pay what it actually cost to produce environmentally good meat, but they just dont..

huge numbers cannot afford real quality. and quality varies wildly at times as do prices. have not seen a quality ribeye nor filet since the disruption to the meat packing plants last fall...

 

[armedoldhippy]

Come to New Zealand mate, you can see it's done like that here. Even McDonalds uses free-range grass fed beef here. Beef and lamb are one of our biggest exports.

McDonalds here years ago was feeding us mixed beef/ground horse meat they bought from Australian sources. i liked it myself...

 

[Frosty Nuggets]

McDonalds here years ago was feeding us mixed beef/ground horse meat they bought from Australian sources. i liked it myself...

That would be wild Brumby you were eating, they are a pest here in Australia doing major damage to the environment, their hooves tear up the ground killing native grasses and plants before they have a chance to establish.

 

[Chi13]

McDonalds here years ago was feeding us mixed beef/ground horse meat they bought from Australian sources. i liked it myself...

We have plenty of other feral animals you can have. Pigs, goats, cats, even buffalo. They do huge damage to the environment.

Cane toad burger anyone?

 

[dragongrower]

Come to New Zealand mate, you can see it's done like that here. Even McDonalds uses free-range grass fed beef here. Beef and lamb are one of our biggest exports.

so all meat in new zealand is made like that..? What anout the rest of the world..?

 

[Sunshineinabag]

Ill never forget my grandpas stu.....whars in it ? Grey squirrel it turns out. Ate it for yeaes not knowing i was eating squirrel

 

[Brother Nature]

so all meat in new zealand is made like that..? What anout the rest of the world..?

The majority. The other side of that is we are an island nation the size of California with the population a little over half the size of the bay area... Though, I do believe the rest of the world could achieve it, there would just be a lot less profit in it which would make it pretty undesirable. Seems strange to me that profit and food should ever be associated though.

 

[armedoldhippy]

We have plenty of other feral animals you can have. Pigs, goats, cats, even buffalo. They do huge damage to the environment.

Cane toad burger anyone?

the cats & foxes that were unleashed on Australia are True Plagues. ditto the rabbits. have never understood why the water buffalo are not commercially harvested for food. the wild hogs, i have read, harbor some kind of parasites or something that make them unfit for human consumption. but it has all been hear-say, seen nothing in a scientific journal about it. wild swine here are frequent carriers of trichinosis, but it is rendered safe by adequate cooking temps. 145 to 160 degrees F being those most tossed about.

 

[member 505892]

If you really enjoy roadkill stew move down to Tasmania.... you'll never have to buy meat again.
There are basically dead wallabies, rabbits, possums, kangaroos and whatever else little mammals live there on the road every few hundred meters, sometimes 4 or 5 in a 50 meter stretch, with crows sitting there, that are so used to traffic that they don't even flinch at passing cars unless they are in the middle of the lane and ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, feasting on half of them.

 

[armedoldhippy]

If you really enjoy roadkill stew move down to Tasmania.... you'll never have to buy meat again.
There are basically dead wallabies, rabbits, possums, kangaroos and whatever else little mammals live there on the road every few hundred meters, sometimes 4 or 5 in a 50 meter stretch, with crows sitting there, that are so used to traffic that they don't even flinch at passing cars unless they are in the middle of the lane and ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO, feasting on half of them.

roadkill deer taste -exactly-like those that i kill way back in the mountains & wear myself out dragging to the truck.