Sealed or unsealed room?

[pthway4]

OMG, are we just trying to find out ways to use the voting threads or what? This solely depends on you and your skills as a grower. If you have fresh air entering your room or air adjustments then seal the room, if not open the freakin door... Damn, ICmagers, it's about time to just start thinking!!!! CO2 vs. Fresh Air, Door Closed Vs. Open, Cum on her stomach vs. her back, what's the difference???

Sorry Guys, Vote On!!!!

The stomach or back thing REALLY does matter depending on how she wants to snuggle!!!!

 

[Pistil_Party09]

Cum on her stomach vs. her back, what's the difference???

Sorry Guys, Vote On!!!!

neither, her titties.

 

[Mr. Greengenes]

"Are you really that willing to admit you're not smart enough to outwit mother nature?" After 51 years of gardening, yes son I am

 

[Bud-Boy]

Im a coco vert but I LOVE sealed.
Hassle?
no? not if you like precise climate control and expensive gadgets bought cheap on craigs list and ebay
no escaping stink, quieter,

has opened up more growing options. spaces dont have to be hacked up

 

[Bud-Boy]

Completelly sealed with an intake and extraction system (RUK fans). NO outdoor intake and a growroom extraction leading outdoors.



LUDA.

Please explain for others like me, uh whuh?

 

[Bud-Boy]

Because pumping outdoors air is a magnet for spidermites and other plant pests. Thats why. If you know anything about plant pests then you would not be asking this silly question.
ROOM SEALED !!!!!!

LUDA.

-HEPA intake

 

[Lazyman]

What makes you think that my room is only 300ppm b/c it is not sealed???

Just gotta burn more hydrocarbons my friend.

Of course if I listened to half the people on this site, I would think that mj is grown by scientists in lab coats.

It depends on what you want. I prefer to let nature in. If you are worried about mites coming in to your room, then filter the air. A little fresh air, with a CO2 supplement, never hurt anyone. I like to exchange the gases with the outside environment.

Most guys running sealed rooms are doing it for efficiencies sake, and venting out your CO2 is an inefficient way to do so. Your hydrocarbon consumption rate is guaranteed to be higher than someone running an actual sealed room with AC.

Higher expense = less efficient.

 

[Lazyman]

"Are you really that willing to admit you're not smart enough to outwit mother nature?" After 51 years of gardening, yes son I am

LOL, good one. It doesn't answer the question/thread title though, do you really think an unsealed room is a BETTER environment than a sealed one?

 

[supermanlives]

sealed with co2 rules. theres no comparison.

 

[FoCo(No.Co)]

I may have to try that. How well did it work for you? Burner or bottle? Pyrethium can only do so much.
My friends have tried that but to no avail (not high enough ppm, or lenght of time I am sure).
Can it be done at nighttime? (for temp sake using a burner).
Using burner in half-sealed environment, I think I can get PPM that high.
What about passing out when entering the room? I have had to turn a burner off before to work.

Thanks.

Bottled... I've only used this method to kill white flies, and it worked very well. I am told that its just as effective on mites. You can do it during lights off, but why waste the CO2?

Bro, high levels of carbon dioxide are very hazardous to your health. 10,000 ppm can kill you. If you are going to enter your room after trying this, please make sure you ventilate the air out first.

 

[grow nerd]

Sealed rooms are such a breeze to run, and so much less to worry about IMHO. And, total cost of operation is less for anything other than a fly-by-night Canadian operation.

So easy. This isn't even a dialed room. Running a buncha different strains from a single rez, first times with most, etc. Still not too bad!

 

[HansHanf]

nice poll
sealed of course

 

[Kindman69]

LOL, good one. It doesn't answer the question/thread title though, do you really think an unsealed room is a BETTER environment than a sealed one?

I don't know where the discussion is here?! It is self evident that a working closed environment is superior to unavoidable variables in open environments.
An open environment, depending on where you live needs constant adjustments in order to deal with changing humidity, temperature, pests, seasons of the year etc.

A sealed environment does not care what is going on outside, period! How can you beat that???
An open environment is cheaper, but certainly not better.

Now I'm not one to believe that it is easy to dial a sealed space in, mainly because I had a hard time myself, but that could be related to that my space is rather small for a cge environment 3x9x6. Lots of toxins from the equipment can build up in a small space like that.


Peace,Kind

 

[grow nerd]

Yes... it might be "obvious" that a sealed room is "better", but what's not so obvious is that a sealed room will typically cost less to run in the long run (and I'm not even talking that long; it's highly relative to the industry we're in!) than a fresh-air room. After a few, dialing in a new, random site/room becomes a snap. So much easier to troubleshoot, narrow down, and correct / eliminate problems in a sealed setup.

 

[Kindman69]

Yes... it might be "obvious" that a sealed room is "better", but what's not so obvious is that a sealed room will typically cost less to run in the long run (and I'm not even talking that long; it's highly relative to the industry we're in!) than a fresh-air room. After a few, dialing in a new, random site/room becomes a snap. So much easier to troubleshoot, narrow down, and correct / eliminate problems in a sealed setup.

Depends if you are growing for self or as a provider, but I agree with you. For me its the way to go even with the issues I had dialing it in. Outside temperatures would not allow me to grow year around where I live. Plus I can speed my grows up by about 1-2 weeks.

Peace, Kind

 

[FinestKind]

hehe funny how many morrons it is around

First of all, you spelled "moron's" wrong... moron.

Second of all, your grammar is at the second grade level. See above.

Third of all, why is a debate between two solid sides of an argument (any argument) moronic? I don't understand the two or three comments I've seen in this thread suggesting this. Try being open minded and seeing other's points of view. It might feel good.

FK

 

[FinestKind]

So if I understand you correctly, sealed rooms are inferior because they are harder?

Of course you can control an indoor environment. If you can't, you're either too cheap or too lazy to get the gear you need to do it right. Big AC, big dehumidifier, and some oscillating fans, and you have a more stable environment than could ever be created outside.

I'll put Floramite SC up against predator mites anyday.

I will never accept that I cannot control a variable. To do so is akin to admitting defeat. Are you really that willing to admit you're not smart enough to outwit mother nature?

I see both of your points here. I think people do think they have too much control over nature; however, the entire reason people are growing indoors in the first place is because the US government drove growers indoors in the 80's, and what they found (and we are continuing to find) is that we can, indeed, improve upon nature. For example, unless you live somewhere that happens to have ideal conditions for outdoor grows (NorCal, for instance), growing outdoors is a constant battle with temperature, humidity, pests, fungi, etc., whereas indoors at least these factors are somewhat, if not completely, controllable. So why not add the atmosphere to that list?

FK

 

[FinestKind]

I never heard about sealed and unsealed before. Where does the air come from if the room is sealed? Do you just reuse the same air and add CO2? I doubt that though as it would get pretty hot in there. Airconditioning?

A/C, air-cooled lights, dehumidifiers, whatever it takes. And yes, you add your CO2 back in, except instead of the atmospheric level of about 300 ppm (and rising due to climate change) you bring it to about 1500 ppm... the plants respond with stronger growth, bigger buds, and bigger yields.

 

[FinestKind]

no, go ahead... Expain why people shouldn't use grams-per-watt to measure their gardens efficiency. Or even better, grams per watt per month. ???

And btw ur "friend" is wasting his $ with that 1700 watt portable AC. He could use a much smaller window unit. Where do they even sell 1700 watt portables? that's like 14 amps at 120v! .... and not everyone lives in the desert - don't think that just because a room is ventilated it doesn't need a dehuey. I've seen vented rooms at 70%+



Unless your "favorable climate" has atmospheric co2 levels of 1000ppm+, anybody who is gonna add co2 probably can't add anymore lights without co2.

and why is this in the soil forum i wonder? should be in growrooms


EDIT: i thought about it and i think the best answer is: if you are running less than 50watts/square foot, you would be better off adding another light than adding co2.

You've got some great points on this topic... if I could add to your rep again, I would It's in the soil forum because I didn't really know where to put it. Yes, would be better in the growrooms forum, of course!

FK

 

[FinestKind]

Yea or you can crank the CO2 in your sealed room up to 5000ppm for half an hour and destroy any pests in the room.

Why risk thieves/cops/mold etc??

Huh, I'd never heard that approach... suffocate them to death, essentially... does it work? Have you tried it? Never even crossed my mind... I'm intrigued!

FK