Scrub it never occurred to you to put a screen on the drain?
I guess you don't have a dog to wash. Lol.
I guess you don't have a dog to wash. Lol.
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Scrub's PLL Coco Cupboard and Friends
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lol BTDT i use a funky old ceramic pot w/ holes. i think it's a steamer insert (for veggies-like canning size)
i m going to try royal gold
Epic Coco semi tutorial post
Epic Coco semi tutorial post
Madlib, it's pretty fine particle we're talking. Coco silt.
My drain is flush mounted in the shower floor so I don't think that's do-able but for the record no it didn't occur to me, haha.
Xm, you'll be organic/soil style I'm guessing, with teas and what-not? I've not used that coco before.
Heya Ghost. Well, I only refer to it in the hydroponic sense. It's not strictly hydroponics because the coco is not completely inert, but it's the same thing if you don't have a stick up yer clacker. All nutrients are supplied via the nutrient liquid whether hand watered or through a "hydro" system.
I sort of cheated this time by adding DE/silica as a top dress. Silica is the only ingredient that isn't in the hydro nutes because it reacts chemically and must be added seperately, so I figured since I had the DE doing nothing it was the perfect use for it and it keeps nute mixing even simpler. It's an experiment which seemed to work well. I sometimes use liquid kelp but I'll cover that later.
Anyhow, the simplicity: What makes it so great is you never have to worry about a deficiency again, as long as a few principals are followed. The nutes I use are all 2 part - bottle A and B of veg nutes, and bottle A and B of flower nutes, and equal amounts of A and B are used every time. As mentioned they contain every single element you need for a healthy grow. The only additive you may ever need is a P:K booster product for a few feedings later in flower, if you need it. I guess if you want to add more then silica would be a good choice to add in veg, but anything else is simply not needed to get a new grower some kickin' ass budz.
I'm not saying the extra additives aren't gonna grow you bigger buds later on, but just not needed for most guys. It also increases the chance of something reacting badly with something else so keep it simple is always best. It's not what you use, it's how you use it, so pin down how to get a plant from A to Z in coco with simple nutes before attempting some crazy shit. If you have to add stuff to your hydro nutes then it is not a very good hydro nute!
I use the DM Gold line so it's the only nute I can recommend as fitting fully into my coco philosophy. If you have rain water (or I would assume RO behaves the same) then you just mix the nutes in and it will be very close to the correct ph (5.8ish is the goal). It'll vary a little with the strength (nutes are acidic) but I find mine stays locked to that area really well with rain water. See? If I had all those other additives, I probably would not have that rock solid PH range right now. Sometimes I use a few drops of liquid kelp instead of ph up but it's not so stable. The great thing about the kelp is that by the time you add those few drops every watering, it pretty much matches the full strength dose as if you'd applied it once every 2 weeks as the label says for soil. So your plants get a steady light dose of cytokinin and other freaky shizzle.
The process of mixing is very simple. Add nutes, then check EC (the strength of nutes) if you have an ec or ppm meter. Then check and adjust ph, and pour on plants till runoff. What I've started doing is keeping a small 10 litre res that I mix the nutes up in, but I only need small amounts at a time, so I leave it unPH'd and it sits around 5.5. I scoop out as much as I need and add what I want and then ph adjust that portion. If I had PH'd it in the res, then scooped out what I want, but wanted to add the kelp, that would make the PH be too high, and I'd have to add PH down. It also lets me add fresh h2o2 to the dose of nutes without wondering how active the h2o2 I put in the res last time is, and also lets me avoid h2o2 altogether if I wish.
Although this is a lot of words, it's a very simple concept - use the right coco, use the right nutes, use the right water, feed at the right level. The feed strength is the only part that requires any brain input and is as simple as looking at the plant and deciding if it's underfed, overfed, or happy.
Anyways, getting tired of typing lol. I might expand a bit deeper later. The miracle grow with coco would be better than the miracle grow without coco I reckon, but that's as far as my soil knowledge goes
People seem to like it in soil though.
Pics soon! Any thoughts or questions or debating, please go ahead.
Epic Coco semi tutorial post
Madlib, it's pretty fine particle we're talking. Coco silt.
My drain is flush mounted in the shower floor so I don't think that's do-able but for the record no it didn't occur to me, haha.Xm, you'll be organic/soil style I'm guessing, with teas and what-not? I've not used that coco before.
Heya Ghost. Well, I only refer to it in the hydroponic sense. It's not strictly hydroponics because the coco is not completely inert, but it's the same thing if you don't have a stick up yer clacker. All nutrients are supplied via the nutrient liquid whether hand watered or through a "hydro" system.
I sort of cheated this time by adding DE/silica as a top dress. Silica is the only ingredient that isn't in the hydro nutes because it reacts chemically and must be added seperately, so I figured since I had the DE doing nothing it was the perfect use for it and it keeps nute mixing even simpler. It's an experiment which seemed to work well. I sometimes use liquid kelp but I'll cover that later.
Anyhow, the simplicity: What makes it so great is you never have to worry about a deficiency again, as long as a few principals are followed. The nutes I use are all 2 part - bottle A and B of veg nutes, and bottle A and B of flower nutes, and equal amounts of A and B are used every time. As mentioned they contain every single element you need for a healthy grow. The only additive you may ever need is a P:K booster product for a few feedings later in flower, if you need it. I guess if you want to add more then silica would be a good choice to add in veg, but anything else is simply not needed to get a new grower some kickin' ass budz.
I'm not saying the extra additives aren't gonna grow you bigger buds later on, but just not needed for most guys. It also increases the chance of something reacting badly with something else so keep it simple is always best. It's not what you use, it's how you use it, so pin down how to get a plant from A to Z in coco with simple nutes before attempting some crazy shit. If you have to add stuff to your hydro nutes then it is not a very good hydro nute!
I use the DM Gold line so it's the only nute I can recommend as fitting fully into my coco philosophy. If you have rain water (or I would assume RO behaves the same) then you just mix the nutes in and it will be very close to the correct ph (5.8ish is the goal). It'll vary a little with the strength (nutes are acidic) but I find mine stays locked to that area really well with rain water. See? If I had all those other additives, I probably would not have that rock solid PH range right now. Sometimes I use a few drops of liquid kelp instead of ph up but it's not so stable. The great thing about the kelp is that by the time you add those few drops every watering, it pretty much matches the full strength dose as if you'd applied it once every 2 weeks as the label says for soil. So your plants get a steady light dose of cytokinin and other freaky shizzle.
The process of mixing is very simple. Add nutes, then check EC (the strength of nutes) if you have an ec or ppm meter. Then check and adjust ph, and pour on plants till runoff. What I've started doing is keeping a small 10 litre res that I mix the nutes up in, but I only need small amounts at a time, so I leave it unPH'd and it sits around 5.5. I scoop out as much as I need and add what I want and then ph adjust that portion. If I had PH'd it in the res, then scooped out what I want, but wanted to add the kelp, that would make the PH be too high, and I'd have to add PH down. It also lets me add fresh h2o2 to the dose of nutes without wondering how active the h2o2 I put in the res last time is, and also lets me avoid h2o2 altogether if I wish.
Although this is a lot of words, it's a very simple concept - use the right coco, use the right nutes, use the right water, feed at the right level. The feed strength is the only part that requires any brain input and is as simple as looking at the plant and deciding if it's underfed, overfed, or happy.
Anyways, getting tired of typing lol. I might expand a bit deeper later. The miracle grow with coco would be better than the miracle grow without coco I reckon, but that's as far as my soil knowledge goes
People seem to like it in soil though.Pics soon! Any thoughts or questions or debating, please go ahead.
Had to drop back to 165w, heat problems.
PK:
Leda Uno, TWxPD, PK:
PK:
Leda Uno, TWxPD, PK:
Well that killed the flow Here are some closeups of my back plants
Leda Uno approx day 32 above ground:
TWxPD (#1)
The PK is approx day 46 above ground by the way
Here are some closeups of my back plantsLeda Uno approx day 32 above ground:
TWxPD (#1)
The PK is approx day 46 above ground by the way
Hey scrub, can you get potassium silicate? It a decent emulsifier as well.
Oh hey, if non smart pot people ask, maybe a bit of silk at the bottom of a pot would keep the cocosilt in?
Oh hey, if non smart pot people ask, maybe a bit of silk at the bottom of a pot would keep the cocosilt in?
Yeah dude I can get this stuff. (I can get anything from these guys' inventory. Some really nice stuff if you're into bottled stuff)
Honestly though, I can't fault the top dressing of DE. My plants seem a lot thicker and sturdier, I'm sure you guys can see it too. Also, liquid silica really messes with the ph.
Also I have no money I'm waiting for a packet of the cheapest ebay batteries to turn up before I can use my ec meter again, lol. The low battery warning on the ph meter has been showing for weeks too. AND I've nearly run out of rain water. I will go collect some water from a stream if I run out.
About the coco, yeah even a layer or two of that frost mat stuff I have would work too. Or an old hobo's t-shirt perhaps? (I heard it kills root aphids, haha, kidding)
Honestly though, I can't fault the top dressing of DE. My plants seem a lot thicker and sturdier, I'm sure you guys can see it too. Also, liquid silica really messes with the ph.
Also I have no money
I'm waiting for a packet of the cheapest ebay batteries to turn up before I can use my ec meter again, lol. The low battery warning on the ph meter has been showing for weeks too. AND I've nearly run out of rain water. I will go collect some water from a stream if I run out.About the coco, yeah even a layer or two of that frost mat stuff I have would work too. Or an old hobo's t-shirt perhaps? (I heard it kills root aphids, haha, kidding)
Lol scrub.
Here's to intermittent poverty!
Here's to intermittent poverty!
Nice work, Scrubs. Batteries got so expensive for my cheap digi cam I had to break down and buy a charger and rechargeable batteries. Rechargeable lithiums are the chit.
Yeah dude I can get this stuff. (I can get anything from these guys' inventory. Some really nice stuff if you're into bottled stuff)
Honestly though, I can't fault the top dressing of DE. My plants seem a lot thicker and sturdier, I'm sure you guys can see it too. Also, liquid silica really messes with the ph.
Also I have no money
About the coco, yeah even a layer or two of that frost mat stuff I have would work too. Or an old hobo's t-shirt perhaps? (I heard it kills root aphids, haha, kidding)
Some of the best food in the world come from poor kitchens that have to make do with what can be scraped up. I'm sure the ladies will reward your love a lot more than your money.
Peace,
yeah scrub you got me pegged - i m an organic fan
looking forward to using the coco
i m sticking w/ what i know for now and growing in my signaturre peat-based mix which is (1 pt EWC, 1 pt perlite, 2 pt peat -sweetened w/ wood ash) -doing a "super soil" type deal w/ the same mixed w/ compost, charcoal, and some kelp about an inch deep in the bottom
1 veg feed was manure tea after a dose of ACT - next will be ACT from my guano compost (prob about 3-7-2 npk)
i gotta try molasses though - prob bubble it w/ the guano compost
looking forward to using the coco
i m sticking w/ what i know for now and growing in my signaturre peat-based mix which is (1 pt EWC, 1 pt perlite, 2 pt peat -sweetened w/ wood ash) -doing a "super soil" type deal w/ the same mixed w/ compost, charcoal, and some kelp about an inch deep in the bottom
1 veg feed was manure tea after a dose of ACT - next will be ACT from my guano compost (prob about 3-7-2 npk)
i gotta try molasses though - prob bubble it w/ the guano compost
Howdy all! Yeah DB I love rechargeables too but these are some of those button type batteries which I don't have. Hopefully they work because they were amazingly cheap, lol.
Hydro, good news brother, a possible change in my situation ahead, gotta speak to a man about a dog, and hopefully it falls into place and then I can get lots more love from lots more plants But the real news is that I just gave a PK clone to my mentor type person who is really looking forward to it after seeing your gallery. I catch up with the other guy I gave a few PK seeds to soon, will see how he went.
Xmobotx, that sounds good enough to eat
Yeah the molasses will rock your world A very helpful ingredient. I never thought I'd say this but I think I can taste the organic aspect of the TWx I grew. Granted I didn't flush them very long and a little harsh in comparison to coco hydro style, but there is definitely something about it, like an extra richness or depth (not just ferts or poop taste or whatever you want to call that). I'll be able to add more after I grow this round out with the TWx in coco to compare. The ability to completely flush your plant is a big reason why I like coco/hydro so much. It's like smoking silk.
Take care
Hydro, good news brother, a possible change in my situation ahead, gotta speak to a man about a dog, and hopefully it falls into place and then I can get lots more love from lots more plants
But the real news is that I just gave a PK clone to my mentor type person who is really looking forward to it after seeing your gallery. I catch up with the other guy I gave a few PK seeds to soon, will see how he went.Xmobotx, that sounds good enough to eat
Yeah the molasses will rock your world A very helpful ingredient. I never thought I'd say this but I think I can taste the organic aspect of the TWx I grew. Granted I didn't flush them very long and a little harsh in comparison to coco hydro style, but there is definitely something about it, like an extra richness or depth (not just ferts or poop taste or whatever you want to call that). I'll be able to add more after I grow this round out with the TWx in coco to compare. The ability to completely flush your plant is a big reason why I like coco/hydro so much. It's like smoking silk.Take care
Thanks for the information Scrub. That was very interesting I've already copied it into my growing file I even dug a little deeper and found some informative videos about it on you tube. I'm using soil at the moment and waiting to go hydro still.Madlib, it's pretty fine particle we're talking. Coco silt.
Xm, you'll be organic/soil style I'm guessing, with teas and what-not? I've not used that coco before.
Heya Ghost. Well, I only refer to it in the hydroponic sense. It's not strictly hydroponics because the coco is not completely inert, but it's the same thing if you don't have a stick up yer clacker. All nutrients are supplied via the nutrient liquid whether hand watered or through a "hydro" system.
I sort of cheated this time by adding DE/silica as a top dress. Silica is the only ingredient that isn't in the hydro nutes because it reacts chemically and must be added seperately, so I figured since I had the DE doing nothing it was the perfect use for it and it keeps nute mixing even simpler. It's an experiment which seemed to work well. I sometimes use liquid kelp but I'll cover that later.
Anyhow, the simplicity: What makes it so great is you never have to worry about a deficiency again, as long as a few principals are followed. The nutes I use are all 2 part - bottle A and B of veg nutes, and bottle A and B of flower nutes, and equal amounts of A and B are used every time. As mentioned they contain every single element you need for a healthy grow. The only additive you may ever need is a P:K booster product for a few feedings later in flower, if you need it. I guess if you want to add more then silica would be a good choice to add in veg, but anything else is simply not needed to get a new grower some kickin' ass budz.
I'm not saying the extra additives aren't gonna grow you bigger buds later on, but just not needed for most guys. It also increases the chance of something reacting badly with something else so keep it simple is always best. It's not what you use, it's how you use it, so pin down how to get a plant from A to Z in coco with simple nutes before attempting some crazy shit. If you have to add stuff to your hydro nutes then it is not a very good hydro nute!
I use the DM Gold line so it's the only nute I can recommend as fitting fully into my coco philosophy. If you have rain water (or I would assume RO behaves the same) then you just mix the nutes in and it will be very close to the correct ph (5.8ish is the goal). It'll vary a little with the strength (nutes are acidic) but I find mine stays locked to that area really well with rain water. See? If I had all those other additives, I probably would not have that rock solid PH range right now. Sometimes I use a few drops of liquid kelp instead of ph up but it's not so stable. The great thing about the kelp is that by the time you add those few drops every watering, it pretty much matches the full strength dose as if you'd applied it once every 2 weeks as the label says for soil. So your plants get a steady light dose of cytokinin and other freaky shizzle.
The process of mixing is very simple. Add nutes, then check EC (the strength of nutes) if you have an ec or ppm meter. Then check and adjust ph, and pour on plants till runoff. What I've started doing is keeping a small 10 litre res that I mix the nutes up in, but I only need small amounts at a time, so I leave it unPH'd and it sits around 5.5. I scoop out as much as I need and add what I want and then ph adjust that portion. If I had PH'd it in the res, then scooped out what I want, but wanted to add the kelp, that would make the PH be too high, and I'd have to add PH down. It also lets me add fresh h2o2 to the dose of nutes without wondering how active the h2o2 I put in the res last time is, and also lets me avoid h2o2 altogether if I wish.
Although this is a lot of words, it's a very simple concept - use the right coco, use the right nutes, use the right water, feed at the right level. The feed strength is the only part that requires any brain input and is as simple as looking at the plant and deciding if it's underfed, overfed, or happy.
Anyways, getting tired of typing lol. I might expand a bit deeper later. The miracle grow with coco would be better than the miracle grow without coco I reckon, but that's as far as my soil knowledge goes
Pics soon! Any thoughts or questions or debating, please go ahead.
I have an idea how make a cheap mini DWC bubbler for my pc case using a two liter soda bottle painted black or covered with black tape laying on it's side with two holes cut out to fit two yogurt cups to holding the growing media and plants. To change the nutrients just have a second bottle ready to go and move the plant cups into it, or a better thought just cut the side panel with the cup holes in it out and have a couple of other bottles with a wide slit just wide enough to set side panel with the cups into it, the sides of the top panel would over lap on all four sides of it to close it up. I 'm sure someone has thought of this already, but I haven't seen it yet. It's just a idea and I don't even know if it would work yet. When I'm ready to go hydro I'll try it along with the coco. Thanks again my friend. Cheers 
Hey cool stuff man. I like the multi res idea. I would love to try DWC one day. Good luck as always
But the real news is that I just gave a PK clone to my mentor type person who is really looking forward to it after seeing your gallery.
Take care
Well that is the Pepsi challenge isn't it. I put the PK up against any strain in the world. Right now there are a couple dozen ICmager's growing it and these 24 or so are like you, they know their shit. Funny thing is the PK is not getting dissed. I'd love to find a better strain just haven't yet.
Well drunk and stoned better to have friends than anything else, thank you for growing the best.
Peace,
Yep, I can't top that. I've grown some nice stuff but I could never hold them up as the all time best. I have no doubt she's all that and more I just hope it performs as good as the mother pheno. It's shaping up that way, good veg speed and lovin' life. Peace.
I just hope it performs as good as the mother pheno. It's shaping up that way, good veg speed and lovin' life. Peace.
Yep, I can't top that. I've grown some nice stuff but I could never hold them up as the all time best. I have no doubt she's all that and more
That is the problem isn't it. I've had a great grower friend tell me it would take 100 seeds to find the equal of the cut and 1,000 seeds to find anything better. So I hope you have 1 in a thousand else you just have the best weed in the universe beside the cut
Peace,
Haha yeppp. Well this is my dream anyway I wish tissue culture was more accessible to us stoners.
I wish tissue culture was more accessible to us stoners.
Fuck that! I wish we could grow one plant well without fear. I hate and want to kill anyone who thinks they are in charge or my life or garden.
Peace,
