Scattered Sermons & Seed Stockade

[mtntrogger]

Droopy leaves in flood and drain got me scratching my head. My guess is they want lower pH. my tests have been showing 5.5-6 on average, that's using a old school dropper style tester. Using the technaflora line at the moment. Gonna switch to pbp for flower. Heres a few shots I took today. This is my new tent setup. 4x4 with 2 600 HP's, 1phantom, 1 lumatek. 18 4inch rock wool cubes on the flood and drain all Trogband clones, and 16 2 gallon Aurora smartpots planted with my bubba crosses in botanicare aeration Coco mix. Just switched the bites on the Coco plants from vegamatrix to roots organic, which I'm not sure I like either.

 

[Ganoderma]

Droopy leaves in flood and drain got me scratching my head. My guess is they want lower pH. my tests have been showing 5.5-6 on average, that's using a old school dropper style tester. Using the technaflora line at the moment. Gonna switch to pbp for flower. Heres a few shots I took today. This is my new tent setup. 4x4 with 2 600 HP's, 1phantom, 1 lumatek. 18 4inch rock wool cubes on the flood and drain all Trogband clones, and 16 2 gallon Aurora smartpots planted with my bubba crosses in botanicare aeration Coco mix. Just switched the bites on the Coco plants from vegamatrix to roots organic, which I'm not sure I like either.

Looks like low PH to me.

 

[mtntrogger]

Thanks gandomera , your posts in this thread have been very helpful, so much great information from your experience! Funny you think it may be low pH...my buddy who gave me the cuts (my strains) grows in flood and drain and says he keeps his pH between 4.6 and 5.5 ...which I thought was too low. He advised me to lower my pH , which I have not done yet. I guess I could run it a bit higher for a couple of days to see if there's a difference, if not, then I could take it down to see if that brings the leaves back up.

 

[MJPassion]

Bubba tends to have droopy leaves, doesn't it?

I know my cut does...

 

[Avinash.miles]

can't say for sure, but could be over water or not enough aeration in the water they are getting, or cold temps perhaps (cold roots?).
seems like if your ph was going out of range you would start seeing signs of some kinds of deficiencies, not just the drooping of leaves - can't really tell from the pics but they all look dark green

best of luck, troggr

 

[Avinash.miles]

Bubba tends to have droopy leaves, doesn't it?

I know my cut does...

yhea, but not THAT droopy, right?

 

[Ganoderma]

Thanks gandomera , your posts in this thread have been very helpful, so much great information from your experience! Funny you think it may be low pH...my buddy who gave me the cuts (my strains) grows in flood and drain and says he keeps his pH between 4.6 and 5.5 ...which I thought was too low. He advised me to lower my pH , which I have not done yet. I guess I could run it a bit higher for a couple of days to see if there's a difference, if not, then I could take it down to see if that brings the leaves back up.

I use technaflora, my normal mid way point is 6.2 for PH. I find when my PH get to around the 5.5 range the leaves start to show it. The raised ridges between the veins is normally my first visual clue. If you feel the leaves you can feel the extra texture that the leaves take on while the PH is low.

 

[mtntrogger]

Right on fellas ! Thanks for jumping in with some helpful diagnosis. You guys are the best. I will heed what Ganoderma is saying, especially after checking out his threads, dude clearly has some serious technical skills with that hydro ! Gonna bump up the ph a bit, and see if they respond. Miles I was really wondering about temps too... usually my room is pretty chilly, like 59- 62 lights out , and 72-75 lights on. But right now that is not the case. With both of these 600 watt hps running 24 hours for the last couple of weeks , its cozy in there. Was sitting steady at 81/82 , til yesterday. I hit em with some spray n grow foliar and when I turned the lamps back on I set em at 75% , so now im running a even 75. I havent checked the temp of the nute solution in the reservoir, but assumed if my room is stable at 75, the res temp should be pretty similar. I do have a bubble bar in there, but it does not like to stay on the botton, kinda just floats around .... bubbling

 

[mtntrogger]

On another note, I am super excited to be soaking a bunch of seeds. I opened several packs of Bodhi gear last night. Felt like christmas came early ! 5 each Space Cake, The Fuzz, and Starflight Guava, as well as 5 of the Starfighter x LBL freebies from GLG and 2 GG4 s1s a buddy made by accidently overheating his room this last summer. Pretty sure this may be the most seeds Ive tried to pop at once ! Probably will start a thread to document the grow.

 

[mtntrogger]

Bubba tends to have droopy leaves, doesn't it?

I know my cut does...

Thanks MJ, however the plants with the droopy leaves are a cross I made that shouldnt be Bubba dominant, and certainly hasnt displayed this trait before. Trogband = Headband x Trogger (Flo x Ox). Do you think there is some Recessive Bubba traits coming out here ? Ox being almost all Bubba and the original father of the Trogger, which a male of was selected to pollinate my Headband mom. Curios

 

[Avinash.miles]

another thing i thought of is that sometimes plants hardening to new lighting conditions sometimes wilt and droop like that...

 

[MJPassion]

Thanks MJ, however the plants with the droopy leaves are a cross I made that shouldnt be Bubba dominant, and certainly hasnt displayed this trait before. Trogband = Headband x Trogger (Flo x Ox). Do you think there is some Recessive Bubba traits coming out here ? Ox being almost all Bubba and the original father of the Trogger, which a male of was selected to pollinate my Headband mom. Curios

I do think bubba could be poking through all that other genetic material. I'd be willing to bet that Bubba has the potential to show dominate traits over both the OX father as well as the headband. It's possible that the father you picked (being mostly bubba) throws Bubba dom pollen.

But what do I really know?

You'll have to se how they react to the changes Gano advised you on.

& yeah, Avi, Bubba is droopy but not that droopy. I'd be more inclined to say she has HEAVY leaves. Thick & leathery so heavy, causing some droop.

 

[mtntrogger]

I use technaflora, my normal mid way point is 6.2 for PH. I find when my PH get to around the 5.5 range the leaves start to show it. The raised ridges between the veins is normally my first visual clue. If you feel the leaves you can feel the extra texture that the leaves take on while the PH is low.

checked it last night , was showing right around 6 maybe a scooch higher. the dropper kits dont really get into percentages. lol. what you say about the raised ridges between veins is interesting and great info. I noticed the tops of the plants seem to look better, more perky. Would the plant show improvement from the top down or vise versa ? @MJ passion, I remember you mentioning something about regenerating plants after flower. You said it was easy, cant remember trying this before, but mat be forced to with my plants grown from seed that are in coco now. I normally have always topped everything before flipping. After spending tons of time on here, I noticed many of you fellas DONT top when running a strain for the first time from seed (I noticed Who Dat Is mention that to someone else). So at this point none of my seedling (plants now) have been topped, and none are showing branches that are clonable, besides the top of course. The advantage to this approach is that since they havent been topped they are all very similar height to the clones in the flood and drain. And an even canopy would be ideal . Since I am really trying to flip today or tomorrow, and dont have clones, I have been thinking about reveging any keepers, However have heard from others that it really difficult and success rates are quite low. Granted these are all seeds I made and have more of (except for the 2 NYC99..NYCD x C99, which looks awesome) I really wanted to try and grow the Ox in Hydro , heard it yields way better.

 

[HatchBrew]

They will branch out more once ya flip. Just take cuts a couple weeks into flower. I just did last night to full in holes of strains that clones didn't take. Get it backed up eventually round here.
I have had good and no results from revegging.

 

[who dat is]

They will branch out more once ya flip. Just take cuts a couple weeks into flower. I just did last night to full in holes of strains that clones didn't take. Get it backed up eventually round here.
I have had good and no results from revegging.

I've taken and rooted cuts from plant 2 and 3 weeks into flower. They will veg and grow out a little funky looking but just stay on top of trimming off the larf and BS until you get the desired shape you are looking for and they will be good to go.

 

[mtntrogger]

Thanks fellas. Sounds like a plan. I will wait til i see some better branching a couple of weeks hopefully. Gonna flip tomorrow. Will be 47 ish days since the seedlings surfaced. The Bodhi seeds im getting started now will get a proper 70 til flip, should be plenty of clones to take at that stage

 

[MJPassion]

Is there anybody here that could ID P-Bud if they saw it?

I was given some seeds a year or two ago and was considering them for next years OD.

I was told to keep an eye out for occational nanners & that these were a narcotic variety.

 

[Seaf0ur]

Is there anybody here that could ID P-Bud if they saw it?

I was given some seeds a year or two ago and was considering them for next years OD.

I was told to keep an eye out for occational nanners & that these were a narcotic variety.

I thought Pbud was the cat and the chem variant was called "dog bud"?
I believe... but if I'm wrong, I'm willing to grow out the cut and admit it...

 

[Avinash.miles]

it's supposed to finish purple.... and be super duper stoney... that's about all i know aside from the town origin and that some peeps who used to grow tons of it are working with elite cannabis in longmonrt co iirc.
i can ask around about the flavor profile of the old school pbud

what does your pbud taste/smell like, MJP?

 

[who dat is]