San Diegos Finest Cuts #2

[Voodoo]

Noob question:

I have a medical marijuana recommendation from my doctor, but wish to become a caregiver. Who do I need to contact to make this happen?

I have found GOBS of information about the medical marijuana state issued card program, but nearly nothing other than the actual laws themselves that even mention caregivers.

I understand the plant limits no longer apply, but in a county as hot as San Diego has known to get - I want to have all of my ducks in a row and remain entirely on the legal side of the fence.

Any help is appreciated, feel free to PM me as well.

Thanks guys.

 

[Grow Tech]

Noob question:

I have a medical marijuana recommendation from my doctor, but wish to become a caregiver. Who do I need to contact to make this happen?

I have found GOBS of information about the medical marijuana state issued card program, but nearly nothing other than the actual laws themselves that even mention caregivers.

I understand the plant limits no longer apply, but in a county as hot as San Diego has known to get - I want to have all of my ducks in a row and remain entirely on the legal side of the fence.

Any help is appreciated, feel free to PM me as well.

Thanks guys.

Hey Voo,
The Cali Supreme Court has issued a pretty restrictive interp regarding caregivers. You have to do waaaay more than provide medicine, you probably should be a live-in caregiver, and you should know your patient BEFORE 420 enters the picture.

 

[Grow Tech]

Looking Frosty
P91 x Ortega 7.5 weeks Pink Label Pheno

 

[CalcioErba2004]

Oh... I'm out in the I.E. Never seen/heard of anybody do it to a citrus before LOL seemed odd when I read it LOL

"15 hours of chill time each week" Thats alot of ice over the winter LOL

For high fruit production on citrus, I water only when needed, citrus is drought tolorant, dont let flowers drop or fruit split.

I fertilize early spring to feed the new growth/flowers and keep up with it throughout the year.

And I have more than one strain of each fruit variety to help with pollination (cara cara pink navel orange and a moro blood orange for example).

I have not seen much from ice or chill time with citrus in my experience

Well then I will have to talk to the person that told me that. The guy owns a nursery...Told us to find the best spot in the yard, the one that gets the coldest at night and plant there. If it doesn't get cold enough that we could put ice at the base of the tree to get the roots colder to make it think it is colder outside. Like I said I don't know shit about growing plants... thanks for sharing!

 

[SanDiegrow]

The ice is an experiment that is used in something known as "minimum cold hours" used in citrus. It seems to help them fruit better. Of course ice will also stress the hell out of the plant, causing it to harden up and turn purple.

SD, the book you want to buy is Jorge Cervantes's Medical Marijuana Grow Bible, I think they have it at the Black in Ocean Beach or you can get it on Amazon, Ebay, etc. With the exceptions of a few pointers from the gurus on this forum - all of my knowledge on how to care for marijuana came from that book.

thanks voodoo ill look that up, i have a gift card to barnes and noble suggest any that id find there? also, just got my tent gonna post the pictures later tonight

 

[Voodoo]

Hey Voo,
The Cali Supreme Court has issued a pretty restrictive interp regarding caregivers. You have to do waaaay more than provide medicine, you probably should be a live-in caregiver, and you should know your patient BEFORE 420 enters the picture.

Well, that explains why I couldn't find anything. Too bad. Thanks for filling me in on that one.
That p91 X ortega cross is looking EXCELLENT sir! Keep us updated!

 

[420247]

Well then I will have to talk to the person that told me that. The guy owns a nursery...Told us to find the best spot in the yard, the one that gets the coldest at night and plant there. If it doesn't get cold enough that we could put ice at the base of the tree to get the roots colder to make it think it is colder outside. Like I said I don't know shit about growing plants... thanks for sharing!

Some info for you on the reasons why he said cooler part of the yard, in real life, ice will do very little if anything for your citrus, if you have warm days and cool nights, your good

GARDENING : CALIFORNIA-GROWN CITRUS TREES BENEFIT FROM COLD NIGHTS.

Link to this page
<a href="http://www.thefreelibrary.com/GARDENING+:+CALIFORNIA-GROWN+CITRUS+TREES+BENEFIT+FROM+COLD...-a083807137">GARDENING : CALIFORNIA-GROWN CITRUS TREES BENEFIT FROM COLD NIGHTS.</a>

Byline: Joshua Siskin

If you live in Los Angeles and have room for only one fruit tree, you might consider planting an orange, grapefruit or a lemon. If you make the citrus decision, you will have a ready supply of vitamin C for most of the year, since citrus can flower over a long period of time, yielding a steady crop of fruit for several seasons.

In addition, the fruit of many citrus varieties can be stored on the tree, since after ripening it will not drop on its own and retain its freshness for several weeks or more.

Curiously, this ability to hold onto the tree is not a natural tendency. If you go to the part of the world where all citrus species originate - tropical China and Southeast Asia you will find that citrus fruits immediately fall from the tree after ripening. In their equatorial habitat, there is no reason for citrus trees to hold onto their fruit, since the warm and moist conditions required for seed germination germination, in a seed, process by which the plant embryo within the seed resumes growth after a period of dormancy and the seedling emerges. The length of dormancy varies; the seed of some plants (e.g. are ever present. With this in mind, never allow citrus seeds to dry out if you plan on germinating them.

In addition to staying on the tree after ripening, there are other advantages California-grown citrus has over citrus cultivated in its native climate. Because of the unfluctuating temperatures in the tropics, citrus rinds may remain green even as fruit matures on the inside. This makes it impossible to determine which fruit should be picked. Some harvested fruits will need more ripening, and some will be overripe.

When people from equatorial countries arrive in California, they are astonished by the glowing oranges and yellows - which we take for granted - or our backyard citrus. It is our daily temperature fluctuations and colder nights, as compared to the tropics, that give our fruit its ornamental quality.

The large temperature difference between day and night is also responsible for a more balanced flavor in California citrus. Tropical citrus fruit is much sweeter because it has less acids, but not necessarily tastier, than citrus grown where temperatures fluctuate. In fact, our citrus is richer in both acids and sugars and thus has a rounder, fuller flavor than that of tropically grown fruit.

Some homeowners mistakenly believe that the amount of watering affects the taste of citrus fruit. There are two possible explanations for the fact that your oranges, grapefruits or tangerines have no taste: 1) You have a tree that was grown from a seed (seedling trees, as opposed to named, grafted varieties often have insipid fruit). 2) You have a named variety, but it is inappropriate to our climate. Many grapefruit varieties, for example, need the kind of desert heat they would get in Palm Springs in order to sweeten up; in our climate, they look beautiful on the outside, but have no flavor. Desert grapefruit with pink pulp also may have white pulp when grown in Los Angeles.

To see whether your soil is appropriate for growing citrus, conduct the following test, as recommended by Julius Sauls, extension horticulturist for Texas A&M University: ``Dig a post hole 3 to 4 feet deep and fill it with water. All water should drain from the hole within 24 to 36 hours. Soils requiring more than 48 hours to drain completely should be avoided, unless raised planting beds are used.

One of the most common questions about citrus concerns splitting of the fruit. This phenomenon occurs just before the fruit is fully mature, immediately prior to or during the harvest season, which, for many varieties, is in the fall and winter. Splitting usually is brought on by a heavy rain, following a period of drought. This year, for instance, we had our first rain after a record number of consecutive rainless days. A sudden influx of soil moisture encourages rapid growth of the interior fruit, which outpaces growth of the rind, which causes the rind to split.

The way to prevent fruit splitting is by a consistent fertilization and irrigation regime. For mature trees, extension specialist Sauls recommends monthly fertilization between February and October, sprinkling four cups of a fertilizer that contains 8 percent to 13 percent nitrogen or two cups of a fertilizer that contains 17 percent to 21 percent nitrogen with each application. In the San Fernando Valley, citrus trees should be deep-watered once or twice a week from February to October, depending on the weather, and proportionately less as cool and rainy days begin.

Tip of the week: Citrus trees may be pruned any time of the year without damaging them. However, to minimize crop losses, February is recommended as the month for pruning, since March is when flower buds begin to develop on many varieties. Citrus trees can be thinned or topped, whether to encourage light penetration or make it easier to harvest the fruit. However, it is not wise to remove more than a third of the canopy at any one time.

 

[Voodoo]

Some info for you on the reasons why he said cooler part of the yard, in real life, ice will do very little if anything for your citrus, if you have warm days and cool nights, your good

But in a situation where a plant never leaves 65-75 degrees, what will it do to taste and quantity?

 

[SmokeTrees]

wow GT.. that P91 x looks wonderful!!!! fuck ya!

Humble - your killing it with that Alien!!! so sick. Bravo

 

[KRD]

Nice humble, is the cherry the only one your doing? shits looking super dank and chunky cant wait to see her finish.

 

[humbleguy]

Thanks. Cherry for now, Ether to follow. Very easy to grow but did notice some nanners. Anyone else seeing herman show up on these., actually a little concerned as these were fully developed male flowers which could be threatening to the rest of the crop.

Some thaitanium I'm running, this cut is rock solid, it's just not a numbers player. Probably one of the most wicked looking cuts I have ever seen. Black as the night.

 

[SmokeTrees]

fuckkkkk those pics of the thaitanium are insane!
How much veg do you giver her before the flip? how much stretch?

 

[humbleguy]

smoketrees- vegged for 7 days at most. nice 3x stretch and finishes in 8 weeks hydro. the white on black is just too amazing to not see in person.

Chem D in action, about 5 weeks in. I'm trying to wrap up all these local legends for you all, and I'm lovin' doing it. The fragrance is starting to kick....

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[SmokeTrees]

i think the Chem D you have is the same one i did. Doesnt have that foul bad breathe smell like 'subrobs' chem d. I actually like the smell/taste a lot lot better on this one. It fits my interpretation of "chemdawg". Whereas the Chem D subrob runs, is an entirely different beast. With a lot more indica dominance to the effect.
I honestly dont know which one i like better.
Id probably have to go with the TMV chem d, just cause of its sheer potentcy.

Looks like the chem d is gonna yield pretty decently for ya too. She had the biggest colas of anything ive ever run indoors

 

[SanDiegrow]

Hey Voo,
The Cali Supreme Court has issued a pretty restrictive interp regarding caregivers. You have to do waaaay more than provide medicine, you probably should be a live-in caregiver, and you should know your patient BEFORE 420 enters the picture.

VOODOO, THIS GUY HAS NO IDEA what is up. lol live in??? you obviosuly arent from cali !!! to become a caregiver you have to have copies of other patients recs and have them fill something out signing saying you are there caregiver. There may be some more legal paperwork but thats the basics and should probably be fine. contact your doctor and they will tell you everything!

 

[OsWiZzLe]

VOODOO, THIS GUY HAS NO IDEA what is up. lol live in??? you obviosuly arent from cali !!! to become a caregiver you have to have copies of other patients recs and have them fill something out signing saying you are there caregiver. There may be some more legal paperwork but thats the basics and should probably be fine. contact your doctor and they will tell you everything!

TTTTTTTrrrooolllllllll

 

[humbleguy]

Voo, and other finest cuts family members-

You don't need to be a caregiver rather a member of a local co-op growing for members of that co-op. Have as many medical recommendations on premise as possible(from the co-op you are growing for) and track your expenses/hours. If your receiving compensation it needs to be justified with as much hard data as possible.
I paid for this advice, which is also an expense. Oh, and legal fees, in case the iron fist falls on your house....another expense. It's expensive to grow high quality medicine. .....

 

[subrob]

VOODOO, THIS GUY HAS NO IDEA what is up. lol live in??? you obviosuly arent from cali !!! to become a caregiver you have to have copies of other patients recs and have them fill something out signing saying you are there caregiver. There may be some more legal paperwork but thats the basics and should probably be fine. contact your doctor and they will tell you everything!

why dont you edit that post and start over before you wear out your welcome. a little respect goes along way around here...

 

[420247]

But in a situation where a plant never leaves 65-75 degrees, what will it do to taste and quantity?

All week the night time temps are much lower than 65-75 in San Diego and that includes the coast LOL more like 40-50 night time and 60-70 in the day

You wont notice any difference, ice will not help... If the soil is warm, the soil will stay warm no matter how much ice you put on... Soil offers great insulation, you might damage the tree if you pack the ice around the trunk though... That would hurt taste and quantity

 

[Grow Tech]

VOODOO, THIS GUY HAS NO IDEA what is up. lol live in??? you obviosuly arent from cali !!! to become a caregiver you have to have copies of other patients recs and have them fill something out signing saying you are there caregiver. There may be some more legal paperwork but thats the basics and should probably be fine. contact your doctor and they will tell you everything!

Here's a bit of info for you-

http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/562/california_supreme_court_medical_marijuana_caregivers

Medical Marijuana: California Supreme Court Tightens Definition of "Caregiver," Ruling Will Push Patients Toward Co-ops and Dispensaries

In a narrow interpretation of the state's Compassionate Use Act, the California Supreme Court ruled Monday that people who supply medical marijuana to an approved patient can be prosecuted as drug traffickers if they don't meet the court's standards for caregivers. That standard must involve more than merely supplying medical marijuana to a qualifying patient, the court held.

http://stopthedrugwar.org/files/medmj-bag.jpg
California medical marijuana bags (courtesy Daniel Argo via Wikimedia)
Prior to Monday's ruling, marijuana growers who had been designated as caregivers by multiple patients had been able to win protection from prosecution under the Compassionate Use Act. Now, patients who relied on such growers to provide their medicine will have to turn to dispensaries that are organized as co-ops or collectives in accordance with California law.

The ruling came in the case of California v. Mentch. Roger Mentch was arrested in 2003 after a bank teller smelled marijuana on repeated cash deposits he made and police subsequently searched his home, where they found nearly 200 pot plants growing. Mentch told investigators he was the "primary caregiver" for five qualified patients, but at trial, the judge refused to let the jury consider whether he was a caregiver, and Mentch was convicted and sentenced to probation. An appeals court in San Jose overturned his conviction, saying jurors should have been allowed to decide whether he was indeed the patients' caregiver, but now the state's high court has disagreed.

"We hold that a defendant whose caregiving consisted principally of supplying marijuana and instructing on its use, and who otherwise only sporadically took some patients to medical appointments, cannot qualify as a primary caregiver under the Act and was not entitled to an instruction on the primary caregiver affirmative defense," wrote Justice Werdegar for the court. "We further conclude that nothing in the Legislature's subsequent 2003 Medical Marijuana Program (Health & Saf. Code, §11362.7 et seq.) alters this conclusion or offers any additional defense on this record."

The language of Proposition 215 defines a primary caregiver as "the individual designated by the [patient]... who has consistently assumed responsibility for the housing, health, or safety of that person." With this ruling, the state Supreme Court has defined that definition to "imply a caretaking relationship directed at the core survival needs of a seriously ill patient, not just one single pharmaceutical need."

Thus, for someone to be able to assert a caregiver defense to a marijuana cultivation or distribution charge, he "must prove at a minimum that he or she (1) consistently provided caregiving, (2) independent of any assistance in taking medical marijuana, (3) at or before the time he or she assumed responsibility for assisting with medical marijuana."

"Ideally, it won't have a tremendous effect," Joseph Elford, attorney for the medical marijuana advocacy group Americans for Safe Access told the San Francisco Chronicle. "Patients will now increasingly get their medication through collectives and cooperatives."

The 2003 law establishing the dispensary system "provides an alternative outlet for patients," agreed Deputy Attorney General Michele Swanson, the state's lawyer.

But Mentch attorney Lawrence Gibbs told the Chronicle the court's decision "made it much, much more difficult" for qualified patients to get their medical marijuana. While the ruling may not have a significant impact on access to medical marijuana in areas where dispensaries are plentiful, large swathes of the state have no dispensaries. In those areas, patients will have to grow for themselves, have a spouse, domestic partner, or family member who can meet the court's definition grow it for them, travel long distances to areas where there are dispensaries, or resort to the black market.



So...my assertion that it would be best to be a live-in was based on providing the best possible defense. Wiping your patients ass wouldn't hurt your case either. Good luck using the caregiver defense in San Diego