S1's suck?

[englishrick]

your wrong bro .....s1 is not hermi...hermi traits only show up if you self it too much

cheese is very hard to self....it is achived with cs..

 

[RockyMountainHi]

your wrong bro .....s1 is not hermi...hermi traits only show up if you self it too much

cheese is very hard to self....it is achived with cs..

First off, I ain't your fuckin "bro" and where do you get off saying "I'm WRONG?

How many hermi plants have you actually grown?

2 strains I have years of experience with that are both hermi prone is Rez's Strawberry Diesel and Gypsy's B-52 - and I have grow seed from other plants that were in the room. The B-52 taste and growth structure is alway present and the plants grown from that seed will always hermi mid way thru flower.

From my experience - plants with male and female flowers are hermi - seeds from these plants will hermi faster and easier than the plant they came from. Hermi traits can be a degree thing but any plant with male "nanners" is not a female - it is a hermi.


Use your head for summtin besides a hat holder,- the hermi trait was the one that was succesfull in providing pollen to make seed. The plant is only really interested in making seed and insuring the continuation. If that was the one trait that worked to make seed, - it will again, and again and again.


Some plants hermi with no stress or changes in the enviroment - some require a shock - usually change in light schedual. Some - wouldn't hermi under the worst conditions. - it's in the genes.






WTF is "cs" "bro"?

 

[englishrick]

i use "bro" in a nice way...sorry i offended you...

but if you dont know what cs is...then i know you will change your mind on this

like you said .....some plants hermi....some plants dont...."TRUE FEMALES"

how many plants have you come across that wont reverse with C.S.??...like you said, its all in the genes..."true females" with no "intersexed genes" will be ok,...


stuff i think you should look at
....."true females"
......CS
......intersexed genes

im sure you will agree with me soon......

man... you bit my head off...

i still say you are wrong...prove me wrong

 

[dkmonk]

Instead of keep selfing the same plant with its own pollen, why not save a lot of the pollen from the clone that made the S1's and keep using that instead of selfing the S2 use the pollen that you have saved?
I never have tried this and wouldnt know if it would work, but to me it seems like you would be keeping more of the original genes and not lose as much vigour.

peace,

dkmonk

 

[englishrick]

top idea....

it would be like a bx...

 

[Aerokush101]

First off, I ain't your fuckin "bro" and where do you get off saying "I'm WRONG?

Wow, you guys need to calm down, this is not that serious.

 

[Aerokush101]

hermi pollen will propagate hermi plants. This I do know.

So how do you get S'1's, if they are all hermies? Right. S'1's are selfed seeds! So the seeds are all hermies?

 

[jdubz206]

So how do you get S'1's, if they are all hermies? Right. S'1's are selfed seeds! So the seeds are all hermies?

well i completely disagree with what was said because i have strains that were stressed and selfed and the s1's that i have produce NO HERMIE FLOWERS. every once in awhile you'll get a nanner on the very bottom late in flower but this happened in the clone as well. going beyond s1 or s2 seem to destabilize too much. to whoever got all pissy over the word "bro", what about using colloidial silver or however its spelled to create s1's? are you saying that those seeds are all hermies? i have 50 og kush s1s in flower that say you're wrong....

maybe it's the type of strain, i don;t know but seriously smoke a bowl and chill the fuck out. i was just posting info i have first hand from a "let's see what happens fucking around" project. chill....

 

[englishrick]

project chill...lol....

s1 seeds are ok....maybe at s3 you woud see something crazy

im chillin with the qwiso .....

yo yo.... im chillin with the qwizo ...bho..i have no mo bro....cs is the best...dont test

 

[Aerokush101]

^^^JDUBS^^^^​

Did you say "50"? Find that pheno! I will soon find out if my Purple Kush X Bubba Haze will hermie, so far, none. The rest of the room has been sexed!

Dueces.
AK101

 

[englishrick]

wow 50.....yeh man ...you will see some nice randoms...wich og is it?? ogka, sfv, fire,poison,HA,etc....
even samS has said a true s1 "feminised seed"...produces only females.....and hermis come at s3 an later..maybe s2

 

[jdubz206]

well sam's definitely the man and that's basically exactly what i experienced. i'm going to go through them, i had a bag of 100+ s1's but they were still wet when i got them (i had no idea about this) and 3/4 of them molded up. i'm going to make some more soon. it's fun i'm slowly but surely getting to popping em. it's been definitely fun so far. i would really like to know if there is a way to stabilize that one accidental cross. it's super fuckin dank...i've never smelled anything like it. i've popped about 30 or so s1's so far. there were 2 phenos that i liked and have kept around. all these s1's have come from the sfv og kush cut. the s1's have produced my favorite smoke to date. the 50 cuts i have in flower all came from my favorite s1. none of them have hermie flowers...

 

[Aerokush101]

JDubs,

keep us updated on your grow. Do you have a thread for this, is so where is it? If not, hook it up. I would like to see how these play out.

Peace.

 

[englishrick]

sfv s1 sound very good.........keep them keepers bro...all credit to you

what were the keepers like........

id cross the two keepers together or back to the sfv

 

[nycKid]

Jdubz206 excellent finds there! and Aerokush I really didn't even think about Dj short and his great F13 wow what a point there...What exactly is the stabilization of the Great F13 I think we know that different pheno's pop up but all are killer from what I have seen. As we know there are many different strains that make up the F13. Who really knows what makes up the genetics of a killer keeper plant today. So I say just work your plants and see what you get. Stabilize them the best you can and make the seed and store them for future generations so we don't ever loose these great genetics we still have. Think about it as an example what happend to all the genetics from Mr Soul's c99 or apollo 11 or even look what happend to skunk #1 popular then sort of like the kushes and diesels of today ...Great genetics like that should not be hard to find today ..that wasent that long ago you know. I know they are still around but everyone should not have to search and search for them you know. Imagine 10 years from now and you can't find say , bubba kush, sour diesel or og kush, anymore because noone stabilized them or lost the parent stock or the male used died, think about how many times you have heard that one and you went, "how the hell did that seed company let the male die", or security reasons, shit happens you loose your breeding stock."
Some company breeders are already hinting that they won't make so and so strains anymore. So lets get to work guys! Shit where would we be if uncle mo or grampa jim didn't save his bag seeds from the 60's. Hold on to your genectis I hate to see, "Yeah I grew that strain it was amazing!,I wish I had kept it alive and I killed the male", before they knew what they had. I did the same thing not even 6 months ago with the most incredible kushy grape koolaid lemony grape krush thinking that I would find him again in the rest of the 5 packs I bought but I didn't and now I have to buy more cause he was a doozie. -sigh so yeah I know alot of people just grow for themselves and don't have the space for things like this but think about what we may be loosing out on. Maybe someone should have a genetics preservation farm somewhere where its legal say, Spain where you could send your rare Males and females. That would be cool.

p.s. grow your bag seeds you never know whats in there!
nycKID

 

[Pharma Geddon]

Anyone remember 'The Classic Clone Company'?

Was a long thread from them on the old CW site. They had loads of elite cuts that were going to be made available in seed form etc. They came on so strong it did sound spammish but after some discussion it was apparent that they knew about breeding. Should have saved the thread as it was a great learning tool.

After MUCH time they finally came out with 2 strains, Cali-O and Bubba Kush if memory serves. They were highly rated and sold out real quick. afaik, after another year or more they still hadn't gone beyond those 2 strains so it looks like the practice and the theory are still some distance apart.

 

[Aerokush101]

Yeah, you're right NYC. Now it's almost shameful. Suge isn't making anymore seeds, can't find any true-official Orgnkid seeds. That's just for starters, what about Sam The Skunkmans Classics, and some of Rez's old seeds. I mean who has the Original Omega Diesel? SHOW ME! Can we get some ECSD around here? I hope I never get to a point where I find myself chucking pollen, I'll be the first to bring back the my version of Originals.

 

[3dDream]

you didn't get the phenos right in F4, F5, F6, F7, blah blah blah, so now were at F13

It is named because of the 13th female used, not the generation, which it is an F6 I believe.

 

[Brastaman]

well i completely disagree with what was said because i have strains that were stressed and selfed and the s1's that i have produce NO HERMIE FLOWERS. every once in awhile you'll get a nanner on the very bottom late in flower but this happened in the clone as well. going beyond s1 or s2 seem to destabilize too much. to whoever got all pissy over the word "bro", what about using colloidial silver or however its spelled to create s1's? are you saying that those seeds are all hermies? i have 50 og kush s1s in flower that say you're wrong....

maybe it's the type of strain, i don;t know but seriously smoke a bowl and chill the fuck out. i was just posting info i have first hand from a "let's see what happens fucking around" project. chill....

If you are getting nanners on your plant then it is a hermie. If you make seed with this plant then you are PASSING on the HERMIE trait. Even if you don't see any male flowers on your females does not mean that they are not HERMIES. It WILL be in their genetics.
Using collodial silver to REVERSE a NON-HERMIE female into a male is not the same as having a female that produces male pollen on it's own.
Good Luck searching through your hermie beans.

brasta.

 

[jdubz206]

thanks Brasta. I'm having lots of fun doing it. The s2's and s3's that I grew was just for fun. fun....anyone remember what that is? this isn't my business, this is my hobby. i'm in it for fun and good weed. If I can learn something along the way, then cool. I don't have shit to loose by sprouting a few seeds each run and setting em off to the side. I grow mainly for myself and anything left goes to my co-op. why don't you go back and read the posts I wrote earlier on. these plants did NOT HERMIE ON THEIR OWN!!! they were stressed due to environmental factors mainly LIGHT LEAKS. stressing a plant to create male flowers from what I understand is the same thing as using silver... Yes, the s3 is 100% completely a hermie. I've already said this. I am not sure what's going to happen with the s2 but I haven't seen any male flowers yet. The s1's that I have all came from a plant that was unintentionally stessed to produce male flowers. I will have fun with my s1's. man some people are such fucking haters.. aerokush - this is exactly why i don't have a thread.

edit: and also just because a plant spits a nanner in flower, should that plant never be used to breed because it possesses a hermie trait? i've heard plenty of elite strains that spit nanners now and then in late flower....arcata trainwreck used to. i can't think of more off the top of my head but i've read countless threads on here about it. does this mean that all of these plants shouldn't be bred? isn't there a way to stabilize the strain so that it does not produce male flowers? there has to because the newer trainwreck cuts aren't supposed to spit nanners...