Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[itisme]

Couple this with Japan's lost decade of expansion and we have justification to pursue more stimulus spending.

Americans will realize that deficit reduction is best pursued during expansion, low unemployment, high demand periods.

LOL!!! You're so funny....How is more taxes, more regulation, less freedom, and Mandatory Healthcare going to lead to EXPANSION???

For expansion to occur you need ZERO INCOME TAX. You need more freedom for small companies and individuals. You need the FDA, DNR, EPA involvement. Americans need the FED to stop making our money worthless all the while they REMOVE FOOD/GAS from inflation so some people are not supposed to know that we pay more for less and they are poisoning us to too........Just check the FDA ruling on BPA a few weeks back......
EXPANSION will never happen when you raid the Ahmish raw milk farms, small pig and chicken farms, and take peoples land away.....That is the was you'r lead the FASCISM!!!

 

[ShroomDr]

And Merkel has said they will not cave on the measures theyve already agreed to (with Sarkozy).

Im not sure 'modern warfare'/'guns and ammo' is even possible in the 'first world', but economic warfare certainly is more than viable...

This coming NATO summit should be VERY interesting, even if its not getting much press...

2 outta 3 essentially failed missions outside of western europe (balkans and afganistan vs lybia).

What good is NATO, and what is the world without it? Very good arguments can be made for opposing views... (can i bring up Wesley Clark, and his order to attack Russian troops in 1999 again?)

Crazy times...

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

LOL!!! You're so funny....How is more taxes, more regulation, less freedom, and Mandatory Healthcare going to lead to EXPANSION???

For expansion to occur you need ZERO INCOME TAX. You need more freedom for small companies and individuals. You need the FDA, DNR, EPA involvement. Americans need the FED to stop making our money worthless all the while they REMOVE FOOD/GAS from inflation so some people are not supposed to know that we pay more for less and they are poisoning us to too........Just check the FDA ruling on BPA a few weeks back......
EXPANSION will never happen when you raid the Ahmish raw milk farms, small pig and chicken farms, and take peoples land away.....That is the was you'r lead the FASCISM!!!

In attempts to narrow the reflexive options, pick one of the above and we'll examine whether it's fact, fiction or dog-whistle.

We'll example as many as you want, I just want to narrow the potential chaos of too many envelopes with nothing in them.

For example - one needs zero income tax to expand. To make this empty assertion, one has to ignore the centuries of economic data and all the expansions that took place.

I'd say that's fiction with some dog whistle added for folks who never considered looking at the economic data that basically says, "Baloney."

 

[ShroomDr]

For example - one needs zero income tax to expand. To make this empty assertion, one has to ignore the centuries of economic data and all the expansions that took place.

I'd say that's fiction with some dog whistle added for folks who never considered looking at the economic data that basically says, "Baloney."

And this is EXACTLY why i ignore 4/5th of his posts.

Its hard to have discourse with someone who starts with 2+2 = 67

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

And Merkel has said they will not cave on the measures theyve already agreed to (with Sarkozy).

Im not sure 'modern warfare'/'guns and ammo' is even possible in the 'first world', but economic warfare certainly is more than viable...

This coming NATO summit should be VERY interesting, even if its not getting much press...

2 outta 3 essentially failed missions outside of western europe (balkans and afganistan vs lybia).

What good is NATO, and what is the world without it? Very good arguments can be made for opposing views... (can i bring up Wesley Clark, and his order to attack Russian troops in 1999 again?)

Crazy times...

Lawrence Wilkerson was on Bill Maher saying NATO is no longer necessary and expanding NATO aggravates arms-reduction talks with the Russians.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

LOL!!! You're so funny....How is more taxes, more regulation, less freedom, and Mandatory Healthcare going to lead to EXPANSION???

Let's take these one-at-a-time.

Taxes pay for what we spend. It's that simple.

When politicians finally get around to considering the Simpson/Bowles recommendations, you'll see almost 80% of Americans protest changes in Social Security, 78% will protest changes in Medicare and %70 will be in favor of tax increases on the folks who all but negated their obligations over the last 30+ years.

Regulation keeps greed from sucking too much blood. Since greedy fuckers typically don't suck their own blood, this should be self-explanatory. In your case, I'll add that 8 years of deregulation produced the Gulf disaster and numerous mining disasters that killed dozens of miners.

freedom - Dog whistle, plain and simple. You throw it out like it makes it's own case. We have a problem atm, greedy fuckers are free to pollute, water down worker safety and (I have as many examples as you're willing to consider.)

So when you blow on that whistle and freeedom comes out, try adding some context.

healthcare reform - This might be the easiest to grasp - 1/6th GDP and rising. We're the most expensive, rate #37 for national care and tens of millions keep going to the emergency room, raising rates for the rest of us.

General inflation isn't on anyone's list of priorities atm. Rates are historically low and have been for years. Healthcare inflation is double-digits overall and some sectors are higher than that.

"Let the market sort it out" won't cut it. Never did. We're the only dumb asses with a pay-to-play healthcare system and some are detached enough to defend it. The rest are lobbyists and execs making bank.

 

[itisme]

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[itisme]

Taxes pay for what we spend. It's that simple.

Is that why we are going broke and printing TRILLIONS while OBAMA can't even get a BUDGET. How about China
s 3 TRILLION? Those tax hikes and fake ass regulations like SARBANES OXLEY getting us in better shape. How about the bail outs? The banksters are doing just fine.

Taxes are slavery. It's that simple.
They take our fruits of our labor and give them to those they deem. That don't promote expansion and anybody that thinks it does in wrong and probably failed the crap out of any economics class they would have attended, assuming they ever had one. Free Markets perform better than Gov't manipulated one and that is a fact.

Healthcare reform - This might be the easiest to grasp - 1/6th GDP and rising. We're the most expensive, rate #37 for national care and tens of millions keep going to the emergency room, raising rates for the rest of us.

LOL! Massive power grab from somebody stupid enough to call FREEDOM a dog whistle. This person is either ignorant to how the world works are in on the scam. All you have to do is look at Medicinal MJ and the FDA's involvement keeping what should be legal in 13 states, ILLEGAL and IN FEDERAL CONTROL!!! FDA say MMJ has no medicinal value but they let BIG PHARMA synthesize it and you think I am giving the Gov't control of my HEALTHCARE and will be forced to pay for it by a MANDATE. NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. How is that for CONTEXT!

1/6th GDP and rising.

Only since the Rothschild and Rockefeller invlolvement in the early 1900's has cost been the issue. They pumped conditional grants to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Univ of Chicago and every other college while they suppressed HOLISTIC MEDICINE which is composed of our foods, plants, and herbs.....That is why they will never let MMJ be legal.

The Gov't inflates everything they invest in. Look at the housing bubble. Look at what the FED had done devaluing the dollar. Look how much college has went up and how much less efficient they are.

NAME ONE INDUSTRY THE GOV'T ENTERED AND PRICES WENT DOWN!!!! Don't tell me electricity as I know about NICOLA TESLA and how they are suppressing his information to the world!

Regulation keeps greed from sucking too much blood.

U can't see the forest for the trees, nor the truth for all the lies. That is a power grab for control just like the FDA and EPA are using. The regulations are written up by the CORPORATIONS to keep the small and medium businesses dying out like they have over the last 50 plus years! So they (corporations) can suck all the blood out of us and can control our water, power, food, medicine, and bedroom.....I bet you

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You need a tsunami of information before you can smoothie the issues. I could move in next door and take less than a minute to demonstrate my idea of freedom ain't necessarily yours. Freedom has a definition and an application. You're too caught up in the dogmatic romance to acknowledge that some folks idea of freedom actually diminish others rights. That's where responsibility comes in but you're just tossing a word.

So you want to be free to sponge off a system? That's not free, that's irresponsible.

All you have to do is look at the reason these actions are considered or you're just listening to the stump.

Here's some context. You'll pay your penalty for not buying health care insurance. Then you'll be exercising some responsibility for a change.

 

[itisme]

Disco I don't care what you have to say about FREEDOM. I already know you want OBAMA as your TYRANT AND CHEIF. Your views of freedom are not needed.

And this is EXACTLY why i ignore 4/5th of his posts.

Because more taxes is what Americans need.....LMAO!

OMG! That is the whole issue with you two. You take that and dismiss everything else.

Me and Ron Paul are aware he can't do that overnight and it would have to be done gradually as he dismantled the EPA, FED, HUD, DOEd. DOE, CIA, DEA, FBI, with every bit of alphabet soup he devours we have to pay less taxes. We meaning small businesses and individuals would have more FREEDOMS to expand an economy.

So if Ron Paul made hemp legal and Medicinal Marijuana legal that would not help expand jobs in this country? If small/medium corporations didn't have to spend as much as 25% of their revenues to pay for SARBANES OXLEY that wouldn't allow them to expand? The FDA is here to protect us but just ruled the let BPA stay in our food containers! EPA is watching after our land, and you believe them without investigation or you just ignore facts, THEY ARE TAKING OUR LAND and RIGHTS TO IT! You see you have no clue what you talking about! Neither of you.

The Gov't inflates everything they invest in. Look at the housing bubble. Look at what the FED had done devaluing the dollar. Look how much college has went up and how much less efficient they are.

NAME ONE INDUSTRY THE GOV'T ENTERED AND PRICES WENT DOWN!!!! Don't tell me electricity as I know about NICOLA TESLA and how they are suppressing his information to the world!

 

[itisme]

The History of Modern Healthcare with Dr. Peter Glidden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O1xxUTTpH4

Alex talks with Peter Glidden, a doctor of Naturopathic medicine. Mr. Glidden is an outspoken advocate of wholistic health. He has lectured to thousands of people over the last two decades and is a regular speaker at Health Freedom Expo and Youngevity regional meetings. Glidden is the author of The MD Emperor Has No Clothes, a book that describes how society is on the verge of a health care meltdown.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

What's needed is for you to break out of your cocoon and observe the applications of tax cuts and deregulation. Then you'd see the problems, i.e. the freeeeeeedom deprived from others to provide opulence for a few.

Now you have two words - freedom and tyrant - and nothing in between. You might be carousing with the base but you're not making a case for persuasion.

Your entire thought process depends on the stump, not the applications to see what's historically proven vs historic failure. You ignore applications as if the Bush years were positive. Everything broke during the Bush years and your primary assumption that the deficit is to blame is woeful.

Me and Ron Paul are aware he can't do that overnight and it would have to be done gradually as he dismantled the EPA, FED, HUD, DOEd. DOE, CIA, DEA, FBI, with every bit of alphabet soup he devours we have to pay less taxes. We meaning small businesses and individuals would have more FREEDOMS to expand an economy.

That's the biggest laugh to assume Ron Paul can unilaterally reform congressional law. It's not a matter of time, it's a matter of law. What planet do you have to fly to to ignore that reality?

So if Ron Paul made hemp legal and Medicinal Marijuana legal that would not help expand jobs in this country?

Is that a little context to your freeeedom smoothie? Ron Paul can't legalize. Ron Paul could be part of the system that legalizes but that ain't happening with a guy who plans to retire after he loses the Republican nomination.

If small/medium corporations didn't have to spend as much as 25% of their revenues to pay for SARBANES OXLEY that wouldn't allow them to expand? You see you have no clue what you talking about! Neither of you.

Talk about no clue. How many small and medium ENRONs are you willing to prop with phantom trades that intentionally and fraudulently inflate prices? Rhetorical question.

 

[bentom187]

the philosophy of liberty expanded:

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[DiscoBiscuit]

... Taxes are slavery. It's that simple.

Sounds like your idea of freeeeedom is closer to freeloader.

 

[Sam the Caveman]

The History of Modern Healthcare with Dr. Peter Glidden
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O1xxUTTpH4

Alex talks with Peter Glidden, a doctor of Naturopathic medicine. Mr. Glidden is an outspoken advocate of wholistic health. He has lectured to thousands of people over the last two decades and is a regular speaker at Health Freedom Expo and Youngevity regional meetings. Glidden is the author of The MD Emperor Has No Clothes, a book that describes how society is on the verge of a health care meltdown.

That is an epic interview, it only this was common knowledge. Its one of my favorites and have watched it a few times so far. Just epic.

 

[SpasticGramps]

For example - one needs zero income tax to expand. To make this empty assertion, one has to ignore the centuries of economic data and all the expansions that took place.

Centuries? America didn't have an income tax until 1862 to pay for the Civil War. It was tried again after that and struck down as unconstitutional. It was abandoned for a while and finally accumulated in the 16 Amendment in 1913 top rate was 6%. To the conservatives dismay at the time the Progressive led government entered WWI and by 1917 the top rate rose to 67% and 77% by 1918. But we sure did expand and really kick start the Military Industrial Complex.

Now that the Federal Government could tax people's labor at will we could really start expanding the American Empire. Empire's need the ability to tax their people at will if they wish to engaged in unbridled military conquest of the world (expansion).

From the beginning income tax was to initially pay for war and it's still the over arching theme today. It's not like they are using it to rebuild our infrastructure.

So I don't disagree that income tax has led to expansion over the last 100 years, but is that expansion a force of good is what is in dispute. Sure some of it may be used to by votes and parade around as accomplishments, but the end game is that we need that money for war.

Without income tax the empire cannot continue on with it's 100 year state of perpetual war.

Force the government to manage it's self in an economical way and maybe we wouldn't be going around killing everyone.

Obviously to do so now would invite a complete collapse of the empire and will never happen. So instead the empire will eventually cannibalize itself as all failed empires do.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

me, you'd benefit from a conversation with Alan Simpson. Simpson wants to reduce spending and ultimately tackle the deficit and the debt. And Simpson's willing to screw the working poor in the process.

Thing is, Simpson points out that Tea partiers would just as soon crash the plane as land it. For that reason they'll never be more than a noise box.

 

[SpasticGramps]

General inflation isn't on anyone's list of priorities atm.

Like the CPI lol? Sounds like something straight out of Bernanke's FOMC minutes. Take out energy and food and change the formula once a month so that inflation is hidden out of official stats and wow look no inflation.

Inflation is on the mind of all the Middle Eastern countries who are revolting because they can't afford to eat. Inflation is one the mind of the ECB. Now wage inflation is definitely not on the minds of anyone right now because no one's wages are going up. Just the cost of living.

 

[bentom187]

heres a very intresting read about our flag.

http://www.barefootsworld.net/uscivilflag.html

 

[SpasticGramps]

LOL