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Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?
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Although you didn`t answer my question directly about Hillary being the nominee over obama, your reply suggest it. For that I give respect. We only differ about the role of the federal government in our lives. We do share the desire to make our country a better place. You think people should be forced to make it better, I think they should have a choice in making it better.
Ron Paul delegate strategy is perfectly legitimate
TAMPA, May 3, 2012 – For at least a month, the media have been ignoring compelling evidence that Ron Paul is doing much better in the Republican nomination race than he did in the primary/caucus popular votes. In their hurry to write the general election narrative, the media have forgotten to perform their primary function: to report the facts. The facts are that Ron Paul has won at least two states and will likely win more.
Now that Paul’s success is impossible to ignore, the media are writing a new narrative. Headlines like “Ron Paul’s stealth state convention takeover” and “Ron Paul People Playing Mischief with Delegates” indicate that instead of ignoring Paul’s victories, they now seek to imply that there is something sneaky or unfair about them. Some even suggest that his delegate success in states where he did not win the popular vote may even (gasp!) “undermine democracy.”
Undermining democracy would be a good thing. If there is anything we have too much of in 21st century America; it’s democracy. The United States flourished as a free and prosperous society largely because it was founded as a republic. The reason for the bicameral legislature, the separation of powers, and the other so-called “checks and balances” was to protect us from democracy, which James Madison called “the most vile form of government.”
Based upon the belief that government “even in its best state, is but a necessary evil,” the American republic was built to check the will of the majority whenever it wished to confer more power on the government. That’s why there are two houses in Congress. In a democracy, there would be only one. Even after the House passes a law, it then has to pass the Senate, which originally represented the state governments, not the people. The 17th Amendment removed this important check on the power of the federal government.
Even after passing both houses of Congress, a law has to represent exercise of one of the few powers granted to the legislature in the Constitution. If it does not, it can be struck down regardless of the wishes of the majority. If the people want to give the government a new power, they have to complete an even more difficult constitutional amendment process.
That’s how it is supposed to work. That we ignore the Constitution and instead function virtually as a pure democracy is why we have a bankrupt government that spends almost $4 trillion a year and regulates everything from the food we eat to the amount of water in our toilets.
In our republic, passing laws, levying taxes, and conferring power are supposed to be difficult. So is the electoral process. It’s not supposed to be easy to elect someone. It’s supposed to be very hard. In a pure democracy, it’s easy and the individual is at the mercy of the demagogue and the mob, which can trample his liberty and loot his wealth at its whim. Republican government attempts to protect us from this.
It also attempts to protect us from voter ignorance. Anthony Gregory reports that polls have shown 71% of Americans believe that Iran already has nuclear weapons, “just as 70 percent of Americans polled once thought Saddam was behind 9/11, though Bush never made this claim.” These Americans vote for presidents and congresses that will take us to war based upon these misconceptions.
Often, voter ignorance of the candidates and issues is even worse.
Ron Paul’s strategy takes advantage of the republican nature of the nomination process. That process does not rely purely on a popular vote to determine who will be the nominee. Instead, voters must go through a multi-tiered vetting process of successive elections in order to become a delegate to the RNC.
This does not remove all of the dangers inherent in a pure democracy, but it helps. At least a delegate has been forced to hear the arguments of other candidates before blindly casting a vote. He also must have the commitment necessary to endure the long delegate selection process.
That the process is republican rather than democratic does not disenfranchise anyone. Everyone has an equal opportunity to become a delegate. Everyone has an equal opportunity to read the rules. That supporters of some candidates choose not to go through the process does not “nullify their wishes.” That they choose not to become informed on how candidates are actually nominated does not represent a deception. On the contrary, the whole process is intentionally designed to ensure that uninformed or uncommitted people do not directly choose the nominee.
Neither is Paul’s strategy underhanded or “sneaky.” He has made it clear since the beginning of his campaign that he was going to concentrate on the caucus states where he believed that his strong grassroots organization and more devoted following would win him delegates. He predicted his delegate victories in states where he did not win the popular vote months in advance and now those predictions are coming true. How can anyone say that they didn’t know what was going on?
Early in this election cycle, the media repeated ad nauseum that Ron Paul could not win the nomination. That affected his performance in popular votes. They never suggested this about any of the other nine candidates, eight of which are now out. Then, they repeated ad nauseum that Ron Paul had not won any states, even though he had. Now, they attempt to cast aspersions on those wins with spurious arguments about their legitimacy.
Methinks the media doth protest too much. What about Ron Paul are they so afraid of?
http://communities.washingtontimes....-paul-delegate-strategy-perfectly-legitimate/
TAMPA, May 3, 2012 – For at least a month, the media have been ignoring compelling evidence that Ron Paul is doing much better in the Republican nomination race than he did in the primary/caucus popular votes. In their hurry to write the general election narrative, the media have forgotten to perform their primary function: to report the facts. The facts are that Ron Paul has won at least two states and will likely win more.
Now that Paul’s success is impossible to ignore, the media are writing a new narrative. Headlines like “Ron Paul’s stealth state convention takeover” and “Ron Paul People Playing Mischief with Delegates” indicate that instead of ignoring Paul’s victories, they now seek to imply that there is something sneaky or unfair about them. Some even suggest that his delegate success in states where he did not win the popular vote may even (gasp!) “undermine democracy.”
Undermining democracy would be a good thing. If there is anything we have too much of in 21st century America; it’s democracy. The United States flourished as a free and prosperous society largely because it was founded as a republic. The reason for the bicameral legislature, the separation of powers, and the other so-called “checks and balances” was to protect us from democracy, which James Madison called “the most vile form of government.”
Based upon the belief that government “even in its best state, is but a necessary evil,” the American republic was built to check the will of the majority whenever it wished to confer more power on the government. That’s why there are two houses in Congress. In a democracy, there would be only one. Even after the House passes a law, it then has to pass the Senate, which originally represented the state governments, not the people. The 17th Amendment removed this important check on the power of the federal government.
Even after passing both houses of Congress, a law has to represent exercise of one of the few powers granted to the legislature in the Constitution. If it does not, it can be struck down regardless of the wishes of the majority. If the people want to give the government a new power, they have to complete an even more difficult constitutional amendment process.
That’s how it is supposed to work. That we ignore the Constitution and instead function virtually as a pure democracy is why we have a bankrupt government that spends almost $4 trillion a year and regulates everything from the food we eat to the amount of water in our toilets.
In our republic, passing laws, levying taxes, and conferring power are supposed to be difficult. So is the electoral process. It’s not supposed to be easy to elect someone. It’s supposed to be very hard. In a pure democracy, it’s easy and the individual is at the mercy of the demagogue and the mob, which can trample his liberty and loot his wealth at its whim. Republican government attempts to protect us from this.
It also attempts to protect us from voter ignorance. Anthony Gregory reports that polls have shown 71% of Americans believe that Iran already has nuclear weapons, “just as 70 percent of Americans polled once thought Saddam was behind 9/11, though Bush never made this claim.” These Americans vote for presidents and congresses that will take us to war based upon these misconceptions.
Often, voter ignorance of the candidates and issues is even worse.
Ron Paul’s strategy takes advantage of the republican nature of the nomination process. That process does not rely purely on a popular vote to determine who will be the nominee. Instead, voters must go through a multi-tiered vetting process of successive elections in order to become a delegate to the RNC.
This does not remove all of the dangers inherent in a pure democracy, but it helps. At least a delegate has been forced to hear the arguments of other candidates before blindly casting a vote. He also must have the commitment necessary to endure the long delegate selection process.
That the process is republican rather than democratic does not disenfranchise anyone. Everyone has an equal opportunity to become a delegate. Everyone has an equal opportunity to read the rules. That supporters of some candidates choose not to go through the process does not “nullify their wishes.” That they choose not to become informed on how candidates are actually nominated does not represent a deception. On the contrary, the whole process is intentionally designed to ensure that uninformed or uncommitted people do not directly choose the nominee.
Neither is Paul’s strategy underhanded or “sneaky.” He has made it clear since the beginning of his campaign that he was going to concentrate on the caucus states where he believed that his strong grassroots organization and more devoted following would win him delegates. He predicted his delegate victories in states where he did not win the popular vote months in advance and now those predictions are coming true. How can anyone say that they didn’t know what was going on?
Early in this election cycle, the media repeated ad nauseum that Ron Paul could not win the nomination. That affected his performance in popular votes. They never suggested this about any of the other nine candidates, eight of which are now out. Then, they repeated ad nauseum that Ron Paul had not won any states, even though he had. Now, they attempt to cast aspersions on those wins with spurious arguments about their legitimacy.
Methinks the media doth protest too much. What about Ron Paul are they so afraid of?
http://communities.washingtontimes....-paul-delegate-strategy-perfectly-legitimate/
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I wonder why FOX would write that article, are they trying to practice mind control!
They are losing
LMAO! They are running scared. They thought they had our country under complete control....I see it slipping away of the next 5-10 years....There is some real change coming one way or another. FOX/CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/NBC will all get more and more fractured beause they are complete liars and only spreading propaganda.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...actic-to-win-delegates-hijack-gop-convention/
They are losing
LMAO! They are running scared. They thought they had our country under complete control....I see it slipping away of the next 5-10 years....There is some real change coming one way or another. FOX/CNN/ABC/NBC/CBS/NBC will all get more and more fractured beause they are complete liars and only spreading propaganda.http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...actic-to-win-delegates-hijack-gop-convention/
Ron Paul reacts to EPA dismissal
The State Column | Thursday, May 03, 2012
Congressman and GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul issued the following statement regarding the resignation of Al Armendariz from the position of Region VI Administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
Mr. Armendariz’s jurisdiction included Texas, and his resignation follows a public outcry over remarks comparing the EPA to Roman soldiers, who would “crucify” American businesses that did not obey EPA dictates.
Read more: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-reacts-to-epa-dismissal/#ixzz1tri3BLIq
“Last week, I joined my GOP colleagues in the Texas delegation in calling for Mr. Armendariz’s removal. So I am pleased with his resignation. However, I do not expect Mr. Armendariz’s resignation to change anything at the EPA.
“Actions speak louder than words, and the EPA’s actions toward small businesses, farmers, and local communities in Texas clearly show that Mr. Armendariz’s desire to figuratively crucify Americans with excessive regulations is an agency-wide sentiment.
“For example, Matagorda County, in my congressional district, is currently battling the EPA over its claim that the county is an ‘Ozone Nonattainment Region,’ even though emissions from the county have declined in recent years! This is just one of many examples of how the EPA has abused its authority by imposing onerous, job-destroying regulations on Texas’ communities, businesses, and individuals.
“Obviously, the EPA’s harassment of Texans will continue if President Obama is reelected. However, there is little in the record, as opposed to the rhetoric, of Governor Mitt Romney to suggest that he will act aggressively to rein in the administrative state.
“If I am elected President, I will end the EPA’s harassment of Texans, and all Americans, on my first day in office. My Plan to Restore America not only cuts one trillion dollars of spending and balances the budget by the third year of my presidency, while cutting taxes, but it also imposes a moratorium on all new federal regulations.
“The people of Texas know better than anyone else in the nation that I am the only candidate they can trust to Restore America Now by cutting the federal government down to constitutional size.”
Read more: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-reacts-to-epa-dismissal/#ixzz1triAm0Ad
The State Column | Thursday, May 03, 2012
Congressman and GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul issued the following statement regarding the resignation of Al Armendariz from the position of Region VI Administrator for the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).
Mr. Armendariz’s jurisdiction included Texas, and his resignation follows a public outcry over remarks comparing the EPA to Roman soldiers, who would “crucify” American businesses that did not obey EPA dictates.
Read more: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-reacts-to-epa-dismissal/#ixzz1tri3BLIq
“Last week, I joined my GOP colleagues in the Texas delegation in calling for Mr. Armendariz’s removal. So I am pleased with his resignation. However, I do not expect Mr. Armendariz’s resignation to change anything at the EPA.
“Actions speak louder than words, and the EPA’s actions toward small businesses, farmers, and local communities in Texas clearly show that Mr. Armendariz’s desire to figuratively crucify Americans with excessive regulations is an agency-wide sentiment.
“For example, Matagorda County, in my congressional district, is currently battling the EPA over its claim that the county is an ‘Ozone Nonattainment Region,’ even though emissions from the county have declined in recent years! This is just one of many examples of how the EPA has abused its authority by imposing onerous, job-destroying regulations on Texas’ communities, businesses, and individuals.
“Obviously, the EPA’s harassment of Texans will continue if President Obama is reelected. However, there is little in the record, as opposed to the rhetoric, of Governor Mitt Romney to suggest that he will act aggressively to rein in the administrative state.
“If I am elected President, I will end the EPA’s harassment of Texans, and all Americans, on my first day in office. My Plan to Restore America not only cuts one trillion dollars of spending and balances the budget by the third year of my presidency, while cutting taxes, but it also imposes a moratorium on all new federal regulations.
“The people of Texas know better than anyone else in the nation that I am the only candidate they can trust to Restore America Now by cutting the federal government down to constitutional size.”
Read more: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-reacts-to-epa-dismissal/#ixzz1triAm0Ad
I wonder how bad the stats would had been if only Ron Paul and Mitt Fomney was on there. I find is strange that they both were even on the poll, it a new one and it isn't hard to set up a 2 peron poll I can see it being 95% - 5% in favor of RON PAUL.
I can see it being 95% - 5% in favor of RON PAUL.Who will win the Republican nomination?
Mitt Romney
18.83%
Newt Gingrich
2.8%
Ron Paul
71.15%
Rick Santorum
7.22%
Here is a poll from the page listed above. Make sure to cast your vote.
Total Votes: 131514
Read more: http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/ron-paul-reacts-to-epa-dismissal/#ixzz1triJA2E4
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Although you didn`t answer my question directly about Hillary being the nominee over obama, your reply suggest it. For that I give respect. We only differ about the role of the federal government in our lives. We do share the desire to make our country a better place. You think people should be forced to make it better, I think they should have a choice in making it better.
other than RP fiscal policy, i agree with him 1000%.
He will end up passing tax cuts for the 1%, while any program aimed at the 99% will be filibustered. (He can stop declaring wars, and reschedule MJ, other than that, his policies will never be enacted by GOP or Dems.)
If Ron Paul came out for single payer, id be wearing his t-shirts and spreading his message. (call me crazy, but i think 'life liberty, and pursuit of happiness' should exempt people from $100,000 medical bills [including $6 200mg Ibuprofen]).
Our water, electric, natural gas, hell the fucking cable bill is price controlled. Natural gas and cable are not as essential to life as LIVING (something you cant do without healthcare).
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ShroomDr, I think Dr. Ron Paul & his Vice President will have much to do in DC ..but I think it will take them time! I do not think every thing will all be done over night! Nor should it be! I think his fiscal policy might suprize you! I think he is right on .. being constitutional..Our only hope candidate wise for cannibas law reforms! I any real way! monkey5
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Stick around. The media throws him a bone once in awhile, they can't not cover him without looking too obviously biased.
But the spin is always negative, and the article must contain one of the following words: libertarian, insurgent, kook, crack-pot, long-shot, quixotic, crazy or cranky. Without even reading the above FOX article, I'm sure it contains one of these words (or similar) coupled with lies or half-truths.
Fox News throws out titles like this one:
Paul campaign has new tactic to win delegates, hijack GOP convention
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...elegates-hijack-gop-convention/#ixzz1tsLichWm
Fuck the media!
Paul campaign has new tactic to win delegates, hijack GOP convention
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...elegates-hijack-gop-convention/#ixzz1tsLichWm
Fuck the media!
What exactly can Dr Paul get pushed though congress (as the head of the EXECUTIVE branch) other than tax cuts for the rich?
Do you really think he can audit the Fed? Laughable if so... The GOP will stonewall harder than ANY dem.
Rescheduling is an executive branch function, so is declaring war.
The GOP will let him gut social welfare programs, and say he is going 'too far' when the wallstreet puppet masters deem nessesary.
A Dr Paul presidency would be a more divisive and gridlocked presidency than Bush Obama combined.
However, legalizing drugs would end the mexican border war, and doing so should cause a massive paradigm shift. A modern 'black swan'. It might be worth the hassle...
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and fwiw, i have ZERO problem with Dr Paul exploiting the system to become President. Forcing a vote to the House of Representatives is his ONLY chance, as he would never win 271 electoral votes.
The only thing i take exception to is the followers (and DrPaul slightly, but i understand why) failure to acknowledge this obvious facts.
Dr Paul would do worse heads up against Obama vs a three way (against the 'cult' following Mormon and the Kenyan).
If you think Dr Paul doesnt see his path is through the House of Representative, youre fooling your self (and its another example of exploiting the system).
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The only thing i take exception to is the followers (and DrPaul slightly, but i understand why) failure to acknowledge this obvious facts.
Dr Paul would do worse heads up against Obama vs a three way (against the 'cult' following Mormon and the Kenyan).
If you think Dr Paul doesnt see his path is through the House of Representative, youre fooling your self (and its another example of exploiting the system).
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDPK4GCprYA&feature=player_embedded#! .. I could not believe it when I found this video!! This primary just keeps getting better!! Wow! All I can say is SWEET! Go Ron Paul!! Yes!! monkey5
A President don't need Congesses aproval to end undeclared and unconstitutional WARS. He can end the drug war. He can fire half of the EPA and FDA as they are only appointed scumbags and they can be fired or layed off.
Ron Paul can and will do more to restore our freedoms than anybody since the founding fathers. Ron Paul can irradicate the NDAA, Patriout Act, Drone Bill and many more Constitutional violations. Ron Paul can give a pardon to ALL NON VOILENT DRUG OFFENDERS! Ron Paul can take control of our money supply from the FED.
Ron Paul can and will do more to restore our freedoms than anybody since the founding fathers. Ron Paul can irradicate the NDAA, Patriout Act, Drone Bill and many more Constitutional violations. Ron Paul can give a pardon to ALL NON VOILENT DRUG OFFENDERS! Ron Paul can take control of our money supply from the FED.
Guys I was not responding to him on purpose as he acts like he is trying to have a conversation but he isn't. He is only trying to distract from the truth. There is and was blackout on Ron Paul, if you're to ignorant to understand that, your obviously biased and not looking for the truth.
Ron Paul Will Win Nevada, and the GOP Wants to Stop Him
In a shockingly brazen power trip, the national GOP has sent a threatening letter to Nevada Republicans demanding that they show support for former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney at their state convention this weekend.
The Nevada Republican Convention is the highest legislative body of the state's Republican Party and the desultory letter seeks to challenge that autonomy. In the letter, Republican National Committee Chief Counsel John R. Phillipe, Jr., introduces a new way of thinking that entitles former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney to, in essence, veto the election of delegates that he is unhappy with. The text of the letter can be read here.
The letter, dated May 2, was addressed to newly-elected Nevada GOP Chairman Michael McDonald and ended on a paternalistic tone in which it threatened to strip all of Nevada's delegates: "I believe it is highly likely that any committee with jurisdiction over the matter would find improper any change to the election, selection, allocation, or binding of delegates thus jeopardizing the seating of Nevada's entire delegation to the National Convention."
This letter points to a possible bias against Texas Congressman Ron Paul among the national Republican leadership and comes on the heels of strong Paul finishes over the last two weeks in Louisiana, Minnesota, Alaska, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts.
Las Vegas-based journalist John Ralston commented.
"Clearly the RNC fears that mischief at the Sparks convention this weekend could result in Ron Paul delegates taking Mitt Romney slots and then not abiding by GOP rules to vote for the presumptive nominee in the first ballot in Tampa. So they are trying to force McDonald to ensure the actual Romney delegates fill 20 of the 28 national convention slots, thus removing any question of who they will vote for."
Republican voters aren't moved. An unnamed Republican voter commented Thursday: "The beautiful thing about our party is that it's decentralized. The county parties can do what they want and the state parties can do what they want. This guy's dreaming if he thinks he has a prayer influencing any decent Republican. Ron Paul's not my first choice, but if some DC lawyer thinks I'm [going to] side with him over a decent guy like Paul, he doesn't know Republicans very well ... Mind your own business, D.C."
Such pressure tricks are unlikely to work in a state like Nevada where Ron Paul supporters were rebuffed at the state convention four years ago after winning congressional district votes for Nevada delegates. GOP officials went so far as to turn off the lights in a windowless room as a method of adjourning the state convention. Instead of going home and sulking, Paul supporters fought back. Four years later, the GOP old guard is still feeling the blowback from 2008 as Ron Paul supporters have succeeded in influencing the party at almost all levels of government and removing the old guard from party positions statewide.
The Nevada Republican Convention is scheduled May 4-5 in Sparks, Nevada
http://www.policymic.com/articles/7853/ron-paul-will-win-nevada-and-the-gop-wants-to-stop-him
In a shockingly brazen power trip, the national GOP has sent a threatening letter to Nevada Republicans demanding that they show support for former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney at their state convention this weekend.
The Nevada Republican Convention is the highest legislative body of the state's Republican Party and the desultory letter seeks to challenge that autonomy. In the letter, Republican National Committee Chief Counsel John R. Phillipe, Jr., introduces a new way of thinking that entitles former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney to, in essence, veto the election of delegates that he is unhappy with. The text of the letter can be read here.
The letter, dated May 2, was addressed to newly-elected Nevada GOP Chairman Michael McDonald and ended on a paternalistic tone in which it threatened to strip all of Nevada's delegates: "I believe it is highly likely that any committee with jurisdiction over the matter would find improper any change to the election, selection, allocation, or binding of delegates thus jeopardizing the seating of Nevada's entire delegation to the National Convention."
This letter points to a possible bias against Texas Congressman Ron Paul among the national Republican leadership and comes on the heels of strong Paul finishes over the last two weeks in Louisiana, Minnesota, Alaska, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts.
Las Vegas-based journalist John Ralston commented.
"Clearly the RNC fears that mischief at the Sparks convention this weekend could result in Ron Paul delegates taking Mitt Romney slots and then not abiding by GOP rules to vote for the presumptive nominee in the first ballot in Tampa. So they are trying to force McDonald to ensure the actual Romney delegates fill 20 of the 28 national convention slots, thus removing any question of who they will vote for."
Republican voters aren't moved. An unnamed Republican voter commented Thursday: "The beautiful thing about our party is that it's decentralized. The county parties can do what they want and the state parties can do what they want. This guy's dreaming if he thinks he has a prayer influencing any decent Republican. Ron Paul's not my first choice, but if some DC lawyer thinks I'm [going to] side with him over a decent guy like Paul, he doesn't know Republicans very well ... Mind your own business, D.C."
Such pressure tricks are unlikely to work in a state like Nevada where Ron Paul supporters were rebuffed at the state convention four years ago after winning congressional district votes for Nevada delegates. GOP officials went so far as to turn off the lights in a windowless room as a method of adjourning the state convention. Instead of going home and sulking, Paul supporters fought back. Four years later, the GOP old guard is still feeling the blowback from 2008 as Ron Paul supporters have succeeded in influencing the party at almost all levels of government and removing the old guard from party positions statewide.
The Nevada Republican Convention is scheduled May 4-5 in Sparks, Nevada
http://www.policymic.com/articles/7853/ron-paul-will-win-nevada-and-the-gop-wants-to-stop-him
I hate to break it to you, but when you quote my post and address its content, you are "responding".
Do you really think prefacing it with "Guys" changes that...?
You funny...
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