Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[ShroomDr]

Do none of you 'blind supporters' understand reality?

It is mathematically impossible for Dr Paul to win the nomination outright (the first vote). (the only way he forces a second vote is is Romney someone brings in less than 31% of the remain votes, its a two man race, Dr Paul is not polling at 70%)

THIS IS THE BEST THING FOR HIM.

If he wins the GOP its a two man race and he needs to win a higher percentage. A Three way race helps him and his cause immensely.

Run against the black guy and the mormon. its the perfect storm.

Reality is actually much nicer than the delusion you all continue to live..


Austin TX is awfully close to Ron Pauls congressional district, that place should be packed.

 

[ShroomDr]

What CNN/Fox or MSM am i under the control of, and where are they saying the things i said above?

It's people like you that don't give others credit where it is deserved. I.E. Ron Paul putting himself in a position to win against all odds if you only listen to MSM and likewise sources. You''re stuck acting like you know the future. You must think you're an ANCHOR on FOX/CNN.

Your statements that RON PAUL is doing this in an UNDEMOCRATIC way are simply ridiculous and those statements don't have a leg to stand on. MY POINTS on how ROMNEY and all the others are trying to steal the election are very well founded! Your statements about Ron Paul are completely unsupported. That is just the TRUTH!

Your points are actually not valid at all. Your points are saying, 'well the other guy is doing it too'. Thats not a valid argument.

Attempting to put Dr Paul 'cronies' in positions that they can later influence things is at best 'manipulating the system', but no one in their right mind would say it is wholly democratic (something DR PAUL CLAIMS to hold in the highest regard).

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[monkey5]

ShroomDr, Lol.. maybe you might want to hear this then: http://www.fox19.com/story/17768724...he-msm-wont-tell-you-about-iowa-and-minnesota .. Keep laughing!! I hope Dr. Ron Paul gets his chance to bring us all some REAL CHANGE!! monkey5

 

[bentom187]

Thank you monkey5,thats inspirational hopfully the trend continues and more people get involved however they can.

 

[monkey5]

All that matters at the end in Tampa will be the number of Delegates Dr. Ron Paul ends up with .. will be the best thing for this country in a very long time!! I would LOVE to see Dr. Ron Paul debate Obummmmer!! Or Romney for that matter!! It will just be one to one .. heads up then .. much harder for the media to ignore Dr. Paul .. monkey5

 

[itisme]

Your debate skills seem much like MSM!
1. Ignore what I say -
2. Reframe it in some insane way that it was never stated or meant by the speaker.
3. Berate the speaker.

1. What I said. "The ESTABLISHMENT set up the current system so Romney and clones could do what Ron Paul is doing. He is having people that were never involved in Politics get spots because that is what we have to do as AMERICANS to take our country back. He is doing it honestly and legally and with the backing of the AMERICAN PEOPLE. That is DEMOCRACTIC REPUBLIC at it's finest."
2. What you say I said, 'well the other guy is doing it too'.
3. "Tin Foil Hat" etc etc.

youtube links are not 'direct links' to anything.

Obama's Promise to withdraw troops in Iraq by 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WYTKj8pU5M

Above is a direct link to what OBAMA lied about.
This clip is valid evidence to how he lied to us and what he lied about.
This is truth by form of evdince that can be directly attributed to OBAMA's own mouth.



Direct link to what RON PAUL was stating.
Ron Paul - Predictions in Due Time (Original)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

The republicans wanted the primary process to drag on because they felt that john mccain having it wrapped up so quickly last time led to apathy, whereas the hillary obama drag out kept people interested longer, and added momentum. Its their fault its taking so long.

ron is just following their new rules. Hardly undemocratic.

a media blackout however screams scam.

I still think he should have been going for state wins, just because it gets in the average voters heads better, but his strategy is kind of working out for him.

he should probably wait till the RNC to run third party though. getting out now and switching would make it too easy to paint him as a quitter.

 

[itisme]

I still think he should have been going for state wins, just because it gets in the average voters heads better, but his strategy is kind of working out for him

He couldn't compete like that because he is backed by people like me and our US Troops. If the money situation was equal and the MSM, & all connections to their web weren't lying RON PAUL would had been won many states outright. What he is doing though is not illegal or immoral in any way and to say so after all the evidence points the other way when you talk about scams seems kinda odd. I can't see how anybody being objective could say such a thing. What happened to all the Ron Paul is helping Romney conspiracy theorists now???

 

[kmk420kali]

Don't know if this has been posted, but I found it interesting--

April 24, 2012. Des Moines. Two networks yesterday, CNBC and MSNBC, broadcast a little known fact – Ron Paul appears to be winning the Republican nomination for President.

http://www.whiteoutpress.com/articles/q22012/romney-nomination-in-doubt-brokered-convention-likely647/

 

[monkey5]

This is SWEET!! Every state with fraud should follow this example!! Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FqXdA9xZl1c .. This is great for our country!! 122 more Delegates & another state win for Dr. Ron Paul!! YES!!monkey5

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

He couldn't compete like that because he is backed by people like me and our US Troops. If the money situation was equal and the MSM, & all connections to their web weren't lying RON PAUL would had been won many states outright.

I'm backing him too, in fact I got my hoody on right now.

im saying that I havent seen any ads in a recent primary area, but got pounded with romney ads daily. The average joe voter is obviously controlled by what they see, cuz they arent actually digging up info or searching online, mostly just watching tv and waiting to see what the fancy news people have to say.

What he is doing though is not illegal or immoral in any way and to say so after all the evidence points the other way when you talk about scams seems kinda odd. I can't see how anybody being objective could say such a thing. What happened to all the Ron Paul is helping Romney conspiracy theorists now???

as for this part.........what? I think you thought you were talking to someone else?

the scam is perpetrated by the other side. I've been on the bus for a long time now.

 

[ShroomDr]

LOL

Ron Pauls biggest problem are teh crackpots who support him.

What he is doing though is not illegal or immoral in any way

installing your cronies into places of power is certainly not the moral thing. The MORAL thing wojuld be trying to win everyone over, not weasel your way in the back door.

 

[ShroomDr]

Anyone know how the national socialist took over Germany?

Because they certainly never went for (or got) the majority of the voting populace...

Install your cronies in Bavaria, Berlin and Prussia and you control all of the Deutsches Reich!

 

[itisme]

installing your cronies into places of power is certainly not the moral thing

American citizens are not cronies....Romney has cronies, RON PAUL has AMERICANS that love being free, WAKE UP!

 

[ShroomDr]

American citizens are not cronies....Romney has cronies, RON PAUL has AMERICANS that love being free, WAKE UP!

'The other guy does it too' is not a defense, and Romney's cronies are not of this specific faucet.

No one could consider installing people sympathetic to your cause, so they can LATER take control is democratic or moral. It is working/scamming the system (which has NOTHING to do with democracy and EVERYTHING to do with politics).

Call a spade a spade; dont tell me its a magical soil disturber.


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[trem0lo]

Ron Pauls biggest problem are teh crackpots who support him.

Speak for yourself. His biggest problem is that people don't take the time to research his positions. They settle for the media garbage version, which is what exactly his supporters see through.

 

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[itisme]

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Dec...n-Paul-beat-Mitt-Romney-in-10-states!-Kind-of.

Ron Paul beat Mitt Romney in 10 states! Kind of.


Ron Paul fell short in the vote count, but he has edged out Mitt Romney in campaign contributions in at least 10 states – and counting. From the start, the GOP 'money primary' has been a two-man race.
Here’s something you hear on cable news all the time: Ron Paul hasn’t won a primary. He hasn’t won a caucus. Sure, he’s stealing a delegate at state conventions here and there, because his forces are well organized. But he’s lost. He should drop out and settle for an early-afternoon speaking slot at the Republican convention.



Here’s something you don’t hear: Representative Paul actually beat Mitt Romney in 10 states. In a manner of speaking.

What are we talking about? Money, that’s what. Political pros are fond of talking about the “money primary,” in which candidates compete, not for votes, but for campaign donations. It’s a crucial part of any nomination race, because a candidate without cash is like a shark that’s not moving forward, if you understand what we’re saying.


QUIZ: Know your US presidents? See if D.C. Decoder can stump you!

Look at Newt Gingrich: Don’t you think that deep down he really doesn’t want to drop out? But his campaign has run up millions of dollars in debt. He’s a sinking shark. (He loves zoos and aquariums, too, so he’d understand the reference.)

Paul, on the other hand, is still swimming. In the money primary context, the GOP nomination race has almost always been a two-man contest between Mr. Romney and Paul. Through the first quarter of 2012, Romney raised $87 million and Paul $37 million, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. Mr. Gingrich’s soon-to-be-extinct effort garnered $22 million, while Rick Santorum raised $21 million before he dropped out.

What’s more, Paul currently has about $1.7 million cash on hand, and debts of $0. Gingrich has $1.2 million cash on hand, and debts of $4.3 million, according to the latest public figures.

OK, OK, presumptive nominee Romney has $10 million in the bank, no debts, and a general election looming on the horizon. But before we pivot toward November, let’s remember that Paul outraised Romney in 10 states, including some that will be key battlegrounds in the fall, according to figures compiled by Eric Ostermeier, a political scientist at the University of Minnesota’s Hubert H. Humphrey Center for the Study of Politics and Governance.

“Ron Paul leads Mitt Romney in large donor itemized fundraising in 10 states, representing all four geographical regions from the northeast (Maine), the South (Arkansas), the Midwest (Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, North Dakota, Wisconsin) and the West (Alaska, Hawaii, New Mexico),” writes Mr. Ostermeier on his Smart Politics blog.

If small-donor contributions were rolled into the figures, it is likely Paul would have won the money primary in a few other states, such as Vermont, Delaware, and Montana, Ostermeier writes.

Of course, Romney had a big cash lead in rich states such as New York and California. That’s how he ended up with all those tens of millions of campaign simoleons. But Paul did beat Romney somewhere, in something. You can take it to the bank.

 

[whodare]

LOL

Ron Pauls biggest problem are teh crackpots who support him.

His biggest problem is people who take every word of their partisan pundit preachers as gospel.

Judging a person by a loud minority of their supporters shows how pea brained people really are.

installing your cronies into places of power is certainly not the moral thing. The MORAL thing wojuld be trying to win everyone over, not weasel your way in the back door.

Moral is subjective. To win over everyone or even a real majority would likely entail pandering(read lieing) to the constituency. Would that be moral?

His supporters are operating in the rigged system within the rules even as GOP leaders change them on the fly. So who is being immoral.

The candidate and supporters who are trying to win within the rules or the GOP establishment who is doing everything in their power, including changing the rules to prevent RP's people from beating them at their own game.


As usual you offer very little to this thread. And in case you didn't know we don't live in a democracy. Even our electoral system is only democratic on the surface. The law doesn't say the most popular must win.

Back to my koolaid

 

[whodare]

Anyone know how the national socialist took over Germany?

Because they certainly never went for (or got) the majority of the voting populace...

Install your cronies in Bavaria, Berlin and Prussia and you control all of the Deutsches Reich!

Lol they came to power because the gov after WWI destroyed the economy, kinda like they are working on now.

They used positions in government they already had to enact legislation essentially making hitler the de facto dictator.

So your lame attempt to compare The Good Doctors run for GOP nominee with hitlers rise to power is terribly off base and mildly offensive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler#Rise_to_power/

Brüning administration


Hitler and NSDAP treasurer Franz Xaver Schwarz at the dedication of the renovation of the Palais Barlow on Brienner Straße in Munich into the Brown House headquarters, December 1930
The Great Depression in Germany provided a political opportunity for Hitler. Germans were ambivalent to the parliamentary republic, which faced strong challenges from right- and left-wing extremists. The moderate political parties were increasingly unable to stem the tide of extremism, and the German referendum of 1929 had helped to elevate Nazi ideology.[110] The elections of September 1930 resulted in the break-up of a grand coalition and its replacement with a minority cabinet. Its leader, chancellor Heinrich Brüning of the Centre Party, governed through emergency decrees from the president, Paul von Hindenburg. Governance by decree would become the new norm and paved the way for authoritarian forms of government.[111] The NSDAP rose from obscurity to win 18.3% of the vote and 107 parliamentary seats in the 1930 election, becoming the second-largest party in parliament.[112]
Hitler made a prominent appearance at the trial of two Reichswehr officers, Lieutenants Richard Scheringer and Hans Ludin, in the autumn of 1930. Both were charged with membership in the NSDAP, at that time illegal for Reichswehr personnel.[113] The prosecution argued that the NSDAP was an extremist party, prompting defence lawyer Hans Frank to call on Hitler to testify in court.[114] On 25 September 1930 Hitler testified that his party would pursue political power solely through democratic elections,[115] a testimony that won him many supporters in the officer corps.[116]
Brüning's austerity measures brought little economic improvement and were extremely unpopular.[117] Hitler exploited this by targeting his political messages specifically at people who had been affected by the inflation of the 1920s and the Depression, such as farmers, war veterans, and the middle class.[118]
Hitler had formally renounced his Austrian citizenship on 7 April 1925, but at the time did not acquire German citizenship. For almost seven years Hitler was stateless, unable to run for public office, and faced the risk of deportation.[119] On 25 February 1932 the interior minister of Brunswick, who was a member of the NSDAP, appointed Hitler as administrator for the state's delegation to the Reichsrat in Berlin, making Hitler a citizen of Brunswick,[120] and thus of Germany.[121]
In 1932 Hitler ran against von Hindenburg in the presidential elections. The viability of his candidacy was underscored by a 27 January 1932 speech to the Industry Club in Düsseldorf, which won him support from many of Germany's most powerful industrialists.[122] However, Hindenburg had support from various nationalist, monarchist, Catholic, and republican parties, and some social democrats. Hitler used the campaign slogan "Hitler über Deutschland" ("Hitler over Germany"), a reference to both his political ambitions and to his campaigning by aircraft.[123] Hitler came in second in both rounds of the election, garnering more than 35% of the vote in the final election. Although he lost to Hindenburg, this election established Hitler as a strong force in German politics.[124]
Appointment as chancellor
The absence of an effective government prompted two influential politicians, Franz von Papen and Alfred Hugenberg, along with several other industrialists and businessmen, to write a letter to von Hindenburg. The signers urged Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as leader of a government "independent from parliamentary parties", which could turn into a movement that would "enrapture millions of people".[125][126]


Hitler, at the window of the Reich Chancellery, receives an ovation on the evening of his inauguration as chancellor, 30 January 1933
Hindenburg reluctantly agreed to appoint Hitler as chancellor after two further parliamentary elections—in July and November 1932—had not resulted in the formation of a majority government. Hitler was to head a short-lived coalition government formed by the NSDAP and Hugenberg's party, the German National People's Party (DNVP). On 30 January 1933 the new cabinet was sworn in during a brief and simple ceremony in Hindenburg's office. The NSDAP held three of the eleven posts: Hitler was named chancellor, Hermann Göring was named minister without portfolio, and Wilhelm Frick was appointed minister of the interior.[127]
Reichstag fire and March elections
As chancellor, Hitler worked against attempts by the NSDAP's opponents to build a majority government. Because of the political stalemate, he asked President Hindenburg to again dissolve the Reichstag, and elections were scheduled for early March. On 27 February 1933, the Reichstag building was set on fire. Göring blamed a communist plot, because Dutch communist Marinus van der Lubbe was found in incriminating circumstances inside the burning building.[128] At Hitler's urging, Hindenburg responded with the Reichstag Fire Decree of 28 February, which suspended basic rights and allowed detention without trial. Activities of the German Communist Party were suppressed, and some 4,000 communist party members were arrested.[129] Researchers, including William L. Shirer and Alan Bullock, are of the opinion that the NSDAP itself was responsible for starting the fire.[130][131]
In addition to political campaigning, the NSDAP engaged in paramilitary violence and the spread of anti-communist propaganda in the days preceding the election. On election day, 6 March 1933, the NSDAP's share of the vote increased to 43.9%, and the party acquired the largest number of seats in parliament. However, Hitler's party failed to secure an absolute majority, necessitating another coalition with the DNVP.[132]
Day of Potsdam and the Enabling Act
On 21 March 1933 the new Reichstag was constituted with an opening ceremony at the Garrison Church in Potsdam. This "Day of Potsdam" was held to demonstrate unity between the Nazi movement and the old Prussian elite and military. Hitler appeared in a morning coat and humbly greeted President von Hindenburg.[133][134]


Paul von Hindenburg and Adolf Hitler on the Day of Potsdam, 21 March 1933
To achieve full political control despite not having an absolute majority in parliament, Hitler's government brought the Ermächtigungsgesetz (Enabling Act) to a vote in the newly elected Reichstag. The act gave Hitler's cabinet full legislative powers for a period of four years and (with certain exceptions) allowed deviations from the constitution.[135] The bill required a two-thirds majority to pass. Leaving nothing to chance, the Nazis used the provisions of the Reichstag Fire Decree to keep several Social Democratic deputies from attending; the Communists had already been banned.[136]
On 23 March, the Reichstag assembled at the Kroll Opera House under turbulent circumstances. Ranks of SA men served as guards inside the building, while large groups outside opposing the proposed legislation shouted slogans and threats toward the arriving members of parliament.[137] The position of the Centre Party, the third largest party in the Reichstag, turned out to be decisive. After Hitler verbally promised party leader Ludwig Kaas that President von Hindenburg would retain his power of veto, Kaas announced the Centre Party would support the Enabling Act. Ultimately, the Enabling Act passed by a vote of 441–84, with all parties except the Social Democrats voting in favour. The Enabling Act, along with the Reichstag Fire Decree, transformed Hitler's government into a de facto legal dictatorship.[138]