Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[SacredBreh]

Did anyone other than myself watch this video!?!

Did anyone other than myself watch this video!?!

Psywar: Manutacturing consent through public relations and propaganda
1Hr 39min

this video brings to light the methods of propaganda,chomsky and a few of the other philosiphers i beleive are completley wrong about capitalisim and democracy, they demonize capitalisim but chose to highlight copratist ideals as capitalisim wich isnt being honest,and democracy is taking from the 49% to give to the 51% reguardless of law of our republic.
other than that the methodology is the important part.
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Wow! Some very enlightening stuff.

Peace

 

[itisme]

if we assume the cult-mind going on in this thread, what would happen is that you all would say that since Beethoven and Bach already wrote such good music, we must all only study and listen to this music.

now change Beethoven and Bach with the Founding Fathers and their Constitution.

and what we have is your cult-mind stance.

your cult-mind stance is not primitive because it sees value in document that is already a few hundred years old; rather, it is primitive because you expect that within its pages you will always find guidance that applies equally to all ages and times and situations.

Good stuff HASHZEP, Bentome187 and Sacredbrah...Love that video...I am sure he will just ignore it since it don't support his point of veiw.

Funny thing is your in here calling us a cult for looking at evidence, meanwhile you ingnore all the evidence in front of you. We are not a cult, you are the one ignoring the real cult because it don't fit your views. Stop ignoring FACTS!

Who are these groups and what are they doing?

The TRILATTERAL COMMISSION,
Billderberg Group,
UN & NATO sending our troops to WAR,
FEMA CAMPS & 400 MILLION PLUS MRE's,
DHS 450 MILLION ROUNDS,
30,000 DRONES over US BY 2020 thx FAA...
TSA refusing to leave airports when commanded to by the head of the Airports.

That isn't my mind playing tricks on me, that is FACTS that you openly refuse to accept or put any thought towards......
They are EVIDENCE of what I say is coming and your statment and information for the comeback was, "yeah, sounds like a solid campaing."

IT SEEMS TO ME THE US GOV'T IS PARANOID...
CISPA
Restrictricting protests and Freedom of Speech in General- HR 357
All the ammo and MRE's, Drones.

If them doing all that don't raise a red flag in your mind, well somebody would own every single penny you every had if we played poker because you would be clueless to what is actually happening.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

^ya it is funny how we get called paranoid. we are not the one calling for giving up liberty for safety. we dont feel so in danger that we think we need 8 federal police forces and the TSA. All we want is a rifle in every free american home. that is the best defense any country can have.

 

[itisme]

Lew Rockwell: "Ron Paul already won the election"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F35AVbsFRU

It seems, "You don't know where I've been LEW!" says Ron Paul is DANGEROUS too.

Status Quo : Meet the youth's awakening I loved this article, You know us "FREEDOM CULTISTS "

EPIC Ron Paul ad-DEMOLISHES Obama and Romney.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68yGJMUwd5k

Ron Paul Election Fraud Confirmed AGAIN!! GOP crooks need arrested
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mks1T72eOLA&feature=related

Alaska
Maine
New Hampshire
Georgia
Virginia
Missouri
South Carolina
Iowa
Ohio
Every single state can be found plus any that I missed for voter fraud AGAINST RON PAUL!

HE IS WINNING IF YOU ONLY KNEW THE TRUTH!!! WAKE UP AND STAND UP!!!!

Total Election Fraud Against Ron Paul Documented!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyhQL8T_Kbk&feature=related

 

[trichrider]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BpL6eQyXDs&feature=related

that last video of the election fraud should have everyone jumping mad!
how long must we endure the insulting charade of the GOP nomination process?

i'm saddened by the extent of this, and because i know the majority of the population have no clue...

case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq_mQ_Vo3Zs&feature=related

 

[itisme]

ww3 is a planned event 2012.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VihPJuvFz68&feature=related

 

[whodare]

^ya it is funny how we get called paranoid. we are not the one calling for giving up liberty for safety. we dont feel so in danger that we think we need 8 federal police forces and the TSA. All we want is a rifle in every free american home. that is the best defense any country can have.

I guess my question is,

What's more paranoid?

A government that has dozens of alphabet soup agencies that spy on Americans, infiltrate peaceful protest groups, quell peaceful protests, and subvert/criminalize our constitutional rights.

Or

An american who follows the advice of the founders of this country, in not trusting a behemoth central government, especially when they start shredding the BOR.

 

[dagnabit]

(The third amendment is superfluous in the 21th century is it not? If anything it codifies the legality of quartering solders (under conditions). Fuck that shit.)

while i disagree..
thank you for engaging in discourse...

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law

imo
this is more essential than ever.
we are in a constant state of war with an undefined enemy.
i would rather have the government need to prove a need and follow "a manner prescribed by law" as opposed to the alternative of not having those protections. would you really prefer to have no protection from the use of your own home to house soldiers?

 

[bombadil.360]

dag, if you claim to be so studied in the subject of the constitution; surely, you must be aware of the issues when it comes to make new needed ammendments; basically, you have a group of peeps who think the new ammendment contradicts previous ones and is not needed, and you have a group that thinks otherwise.

like I said several times already, there's nothing wrong with the constitution, maybe this time it will sink in... what's wrong is using this document as some kind of crystal ball that can be used to solve-away all issues.

it is not enough to just say: yeah, freedom, liberty blah blah are cool stuff, and it is our duty to up-hold these etc...

then you have the problem of interpretation: what's freedom of speech for example? to what extent is such a right to be protected? do we protect the right of a child pornographer to express his sick choice of sexual deviation? etc... etc...

the letter trich posted reflects this very well in relation not only to Obama but also to Ron Paul...

but surely, many of you probably think the old man is just a brain-washed war monger because he actually believes that the service the U.S gave to the world in ww2 for example, was to help every country obtain the ideals of the constitution you guys are defending right now. instead you would think it was not for freedom but for some 'illuminati' mind-control scheme.

sure, Ron Paul wants cannabis legalized; but surely he does not want to step-in and help others achieve the ideal of freedom that's in your constitution; he thinks diplomacy will work, which makes me see he think he's the first to think about that option, not realizing how many times it has been tried with places like north korea, etc... but he thinks he's magical or something, and will be able to turn the hearts and minds of those set to dominate their people tyranically.

hash, you say it is not about a piece of paper, with that I can agree fully.
putting the ideals of freedom and liberty into a piece of paper, with vague language and tons of barriers for these ideal's application, are the issues I've been pointing out with this historical document.

if you are truly for freedom, you'd have an understanding of it within you, and you'd know right from wrong, without having to refer to an ammendment, ammendments that have been used and abused in courts to get all kinds of crooks off the hook.

it surprises me to see americans wanting to bury their heads in the sand when it comes time to deal with unjustice elsewhere; thinking all their country has ever done was to make up wars to go steal somebody's oil or some other thing besides what they actually did.

and btw, no, I'm not american, but I did finished high school there, and then got a full scholarship for a masters at Emory. so I do have a warm spot for the country.

busy week, later gators.

peace

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

this post restores my opinion of you as a rational person. Thankyou for finally taking the time.

like I said several times already, there's nothing wrong with the constitution, maybe this time it will sink in... what's wrong is using this document as some kind of crystal ball that can be used to solve-away all issues.

This is correct it is not a crystal ball to solves all problems. That is not the job of the government. The constitution is no meant to legislate morality it is to allow you to decide your own morality, AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT HURTING OR STEALING. that is the key part. not hurting or stealing.

it is not enough to just say: yeah, freedom, liberty blah blah are cool stuff, and it is our duty to up-hold these etc...

then you have the problem of interpretation: what's freedom of speech for example? to what extent is such a right to be protected? do we protect the right of a child pornographer to express his sick choice of sexual deviation? etc... etc...

This is directly hurting. Rape is already a crime, filming it just makes it easier to convict them. I guess it falls under the part of morality government gets to legislate. Yes this is my interpretation, based purely off my feeling, but how many people do you know think it is ok to rape?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty
just go re-read the Ideas of Liberty, and I think It will refresh your mind on the subject, and you will understand me better when I use the word.

the letter trich posted reflects this very well in relation not only to Obama but also to Ron Paul...

but surely, many of you probably think the old man is just a brain-washed war monger because he actually believes that the service the U.S gave to the world in ww2 for example, was to help every country obtain the ideals of the constitution you guys are defending right now. instead you would think it was not for freedom but for some 'illuminati' mind-control scheme.

I'll agree with you that all that Illuminati stuff is over the top. There is no secret government controlling the world. It is very easy to see that we have just gone from a gone from Democracy to Plutocracy. A Classic roman folly.

sure, Ron Paul wants cannabis legalized; but surely he does not want to step-in and help others achieve the ideal of freedom that's in your constitution; he thinks diplomacy will work, which makes me see he think he's the first to think about that option, not realizing how many times it has been tried with places like north korea, etc... but he thinks he's magical or something, and will be able to turn the hearts and minds of those set to dominate their people tyranically.

The best form of diplomacy is taking our 700 world wide military bases out of countries that don't want the base there. that is why people hate America. We have the third amendment, but then we force our soldiers on other countries land.

hash, you say it is not about a piece of paper, with that I can agree fully.
putting the ideals of freedom and liberty into a piece of paper, with vague language and tons of barriers for these ideal's application, are the issues I've been pointing out with this historical document.

if you are truly for freedom, you'd have an understanding of it within you, and you'd know right from wrong, without having to refer to an ammendment, ammendments that have been used and abused in courts to get all kinds of crooks off the hook.

I am an anarchist at heart. I do not use U.S. law as a moral compass. Obviously, because I grow weed and I hate the US government. They are so far away from moral at the moment. They wont even recognize equal rights for gay or transgender people..... or mmj patients.

This is why I am for small government. Goes back to the saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely."

it surprises me to see americans wanting to bury their heads in the sand when it comes time to deal with unjustice elsewhere; thinking all their country has ever done was to make up wars to go steal somebody's oil or some other thing besides what they actually did.

and btw, no, I'm not american, but I did finished high school there, and then got a full scholarship for a masters at Emory. so I do have a warm spot for the country.

busy week, later gators.

peace

Ya this shocks me that we have 700 military bases around the world and allow genocide if it is not in our financial interest to stop it. This does piss me off. If we are going to be an empire then lets at least stop genocide.

I don't think we need that much military, but total isolationism will not work either. not in today's world. Tyranny will end up at your door step if it is ignored.

If you went to Emory than I am surprised you are not a depressed mess! that school is god damn hard!!! they have the highest sucide rate of any of the Ivt league schools (yes I am a southerner and count Emery as Ivy League). good for you for getting your masters from it.

I personally can not understand how all the presidents over the last 40 years have gone to Ivy League schools to study constitutional law and think that many of the things they did were even close to constitutional.

Even Bill Maher and John Stewart, my favorite too liberal political comedians, are expressive about how they think the executive branch has made insane power grabs over the last 12 years.



The federal reserve banks are the most powerful organization in the Plutocracy because they control currency, and that is the ONLY thing that matters in a Plutocratic government. When people need help they go to the government, and when the government needs help they go to the federal reserve banks. Then the banks has lackies, like the pentagon, and the executive branch. Then sell these positions to the highest bidders. The GOP and the democrats. Then they sell what they bought to corporations who chose their candidate for senator, governor, or president. This is not a conspiracy. this just simple observation of the process in our country.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

edit: double post.

 

[itisme]

Great job of breaking it down HASH! Thanks as it saved me a bunch of time.

He just ignores my posts as he can't handle the truth or the facts that I threw at him, because what the Gov't is doint makes NO SENSE!

 

[dagnabit]

still not one specific example of the irrelevance of the outdated document...


just a diatribe.

 

[BrnCow]

10 reasons why even democrats, liberals and progressives are choosing Ron Paul over Obama

Thursday, January 12, 2012
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com (See all articles...)




(NaturalNews) It's a seemingly absurd idea on the surface: Why would democrats and liberals want to vote for Ron Paul (a Republican) over President Obama? Maybe because they want freedom instead of tyranny, it turns out. Because if you're a total slave to the police state, it doesn't really matter whether you're on the left or the right, does it?

Here, I give you ten solid reasons why even liberals and progressives are supporting Ron Paul. And by the way, I don't worship Ron Paul or any individual. What I honor is the principles that Ron Paul stands for -- the very same principles President Obama has outright abandoned in his broken promises and disturbing reversals against the American people. Out of all the candidates, only Ron Paul has the ethical and moral strength to carry out his office from a place of principle rather than betrayal.

#1) Ron Paul supports decriminalizing marijuana and ending the War on Drugs. Obama does not.
Remember when Obama promised he would decriminalize marijuana, but now his own administration continues to raid legal drug dispensaries in California? That's a classic Obama lie: Say one thing to get elected, then turn around and do the exact opposite.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, openly supports decriminalizing marijuana and ending the failed War on Drugs. Although he doesn't promote recreational drug use (and neither do I), he understands that treating weed smokers as hard-core criminals is ethical, morally and economically wrong. See my related article on Snoop Dogg and his recent drug bust in Texas: http://www.naturalnews.com/034612_Snoop_Dogg_marijuana_War_on_Drugs.h...

#2) Ron Paul supports the freedom to choose what you eat and drink, including raw milk, but the Obama administration continues to run armed raids on raw milk farmers
Under Ron Paul, the FDA would be forced to end its vicious armed raids on Amish farmers and raw dairy producers. Obama has openly allowed such armed raids to continue under his watch, refusing to even take a stand for food freedom in America.

Ron Paul understands that liberty is the most important component of abundance. If you are not free to choose what you want to eat, smoke what you want to smoke, and choose your own type of medicine and health care, then you are a slave, not a citizen. Ron Paul seeks to get Big Government out of your life, away from your kitchen, out of your medicine cabinet and away from your children.

#3) Ron Paul would seek to eliminate FDA censorship of the scientifically-validated health claims for herbs, nutritional supplements and natural remedies
Under Bush and Obama, the FDA's continued censorship of truthful statements about medicinal herbs, homeopathy and nutritional supplements has been fully supported by the White House. Obama is just a corporate puppet, of course, and that means he does whatever the powerful corporations tell him to do -- especially the Wall Street and Big Pharma corporations. So it's no surprise he hasn't taken a stand to support health freedom for foods and supplements.

But Ron Paul has pushed the Health Freedom Protection Act year after year (http://www.naturalnews.com/019382_Health_Freedom_Protection_Act.html), tirelessly working to legalize nutrition in America and restore Free Speech for Chinese Medicine herbs, Western medicine herbs and dietary supplements. Where Obama wants people to remain ignorant and malnourished, Ron Paul wants to restore your right to know the truth about supplements and natural medicine. As Ron Paul said in late 2005:

"The Health Freedom Protection Act will force the FDA to at last comply with the commands of Congress, the First Amendment, and the American people by codifying the First Amendment standards adopted by the federal courts. Specifically, the Health Freedom Protection Act stops the FDA from censoring truthful claims about the curative, mitigative, or preventative effects of dietary supplements, and adopts the federal court's suggested use of disclaimers as an alternative to censorship. The Health Freedom Protection Act also stops the FDA from prohibiting the distribution of scientific articles and publications regarding the role of nutrients in protecting against disease."

#4) Ron Paul would shut down secret military prisons like Gitmo, but Obama wants to expand those prisons and fill them with Americans!
It is now common knowledge that Obama lied when he said he would shut down Guantanamo Bay. As it turns out, Obama actually signed the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) on New Year's Eve (when no one would notice). The NDAA grants the U.S. government the claimed "legal" right to "indefinitely detain" U.S. citizens, throw them in secret military prisons, interrogate them and even kill them with no due process. All this can now take place without a person even being charged with a crime, much less given their day in court. (http://www.naturalnews.com/034537_NDAA_Bill_of_Rights_Obama.html)

Obama quietly signed this bill on New Year's Eve, hoping no one would notice. This is how low his morals have stooped, by the way -- to signing traitorous bills in the dark of night, on the evening before a major holiday where half the nation is hung over from alcohol. Why no signing ceremony with full coverage by CNN, huh? Maybe it's because national traitors don't want their crimes against the United States Constitution to be filmed on camera.

In signing this, Obama violated his own oath of office, nullified the U.S. Bill of Rights, and essentially committed an act of mass civil rights violations against the People of America. Rep. Ron Paul, on the other hand, is one of the very few people who has openly and sternly opposed this unlawful NDAA which blatantly and arrogantly violates the U.S. Constitution and its Bill of Rights.

This single point alone outweighs everything else you might think about Ron Paul. Even if you disagree with Ron Paul on other issues, none of that really matters if you're rotting away in a secret military prison for daring to protest in a public park, for example. Without the Bill of Rights, nothing else really matters because tyranny takes over. The Bill of Rights must be defended first and at all costs. It is the only thing limiting the power of government and protecting the People from tyranny. Without it, we are all little more than slaves to a military dictatorship.

#5) Ron Paul is anti-war, Obama is pro-war.
Remember when Bush was the President, and everybody on the left was screaming about getting us out of all those wars in the Middle East? Funny how they suddenly fell silent when Obama took over the reins from Bush and continued running those same wars, isn't it?

Ron Paul is solidly anti-war. Although he agrees with the need to "defend our shores," he also believes that the United States has no moral authority (nor financial stability) from which to engage in running around the world as some sort of global police force, intervening in the business of nations, especially in the Middle East.

He is solidly against a war with Iran even as all the other candidates seem to be almost desperate to throw other people's sons and daughters onto the front lines of violent conflict. Only Ron Paul truly honors the troops by bringing them home. All the other war-mongers who say "support our troops" are really screaming, "Let our troops get killed overseas!" And unlike Gingrich, Ron Paul actually served his country as a military man, even with a child to care for:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-i-went-photo-going-viral-on-inte...

#6) Ron Paul's wants to end the Fed and stop bailing out wealthy banksters, while Obama is a Wall Street sellout
Don't you find it astonishing that, under the Obama administration, wall street crooks like Jon Corzine have been involved in the theft of billions of dollars from American farmers and investors, yet no one has been indicted, prosecuted or criminally charged for those crimes?

Under the Obama administration, white-collar crime gets a wink and a nod. That's because people like Vice President Joe Biden actually worship Jon Corzine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm3VMrKqJSA). Wall Street crooks were some of the largest contributors to the Obama election campaign, and they continue to promote both Obama and Mitt Romney.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, gets no support from the criminal banksters. That's because he pledges to reign in the Fed, end the disastrous trillion-dollar bailouts and halt the theft of money from U.S. taxpayers by the wealthy elite.

Once again, this reason alone is enough of a reason to vote for Ron Paul. He's the only candidate who doesn't support the financial criminals on Wall Street. Maybe that's why the crooked corporate media keeps smearing him in the news... they're all tied in with the same crooks who run Wall Street.

#7) Ron Paul does not need a teleprompter to tell you what he believes, and his message has remained consistent for over 25 years
Obama needs a teleprompter to figure out what to say. That's because he's mainly a puppet who says what he's told to say and signs what he's told to sign (like the NDAA, which he of course promised he wouldn't sign but did anyway).

Ron Paul needs no teleprompter. He doesn't have to keep track of which lies he told in which speech to which group. That's because Ron Paul tells the truth every time, and his message is the same whether he's in Iowa, New Hampshire or Texas.

Ron Paul isn't sexy, trendy or hip. Instead, he's honest, reliable and ethical. Gee, those might be good qualities for leaders to possess, ya think?

#8) Ron Paul is not really a Republican loyalist
This should come as quite a relief to the Democrats out there. Ron Paul is really a Libertarian who is running on the Republican ticket thanks to the necessary mechanisms of our two-party system. Most of today's Republicans are just as corrupt as status quo democrats. They start wars, stage false flag terror events and hand out trillions of dollars in bailouts and government contracts to their corrupt buddies.

Ron Paul is none of that. He's a humble, highly intelligent and principled individual who often votes against his fellow Republicans on bills that run counter to the United States Constitution.

If Ron Paul wins as a Republican, that would of course give Republicans some additional power in Congress, but Ron Paul answers to no one other than God and the People. As all the corrupt corporate lobbyists realized long ago, Ron Paul thinks for himself and cannot be bought off, no matter how high the offer. He sticks to principles, he honors the Constitution, and he is dedicated to improving the future of our nation, period!

#9) Ron Paul wants to legalize Free Speech (again)
Isn't it interesting how many of the OWS protesters are now being forced to pay daily fees for the "privilege" of protesting? Gee, I thought America was a free country, and I thought you could peaceably assemble anytime you wanted and shout your grievances to your government. Guess not: http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=FF2F1E3B23AEACE48AB3559AB17B857F

Now the police state pepper spraying has begun, all under Obama of course, who now wants to send Americans into secret military prisons and deprive them of their due process rights. If you believe in the First Amendment and freedom of speech, you can't believe in Obama! He is the polar opposite of freedom (plus, he flat out lies a lot).

Ron Paul has fought for the Bill of Rights and the U.S. Constitution for decades, and he has a PERFECT voting record in defending it. He does not waver. He does not bend. He fights for your freedoms in a way that no other Democrat or Republican has ever done.

If you want Free Speech to be legal again in America, vote for Ron Paul.

#10) Ron Paul wants to criminally investigate the crooks in Washington
Most Democrats and Republicans are all crooks who just cover each other's backs. Yeah, you raped a little kid, but I stole a billion dollars from the taxpayers, and we'll just agree to both remain silent. Sound familiar? That's what happens in Washington D.C. almost daily.

Ron Paul thinks elected officials should follow the law. Shock! What a concept! Along with that, he also believes that Attorney General Eric Holder should not run guns into Mexico as part of a staged scam to blame the Second Amendment. Gasp!

Who else dares to say the bureaucrats in Washington are crooks who should be criminally investigated for their crimes against the People? You won't find status quo officials pursuing any of this, of course, because they're all corrupt!

Only Ron Paul stands out above the lawless corruption and criminal-mindedness of the status quo in Washington D.C. He is the "anti-insider," the one man who actually threatens the entire corrupt system (which is why the press smears him every single day). This is why the recent voting in Iowa was falsified and rigged to make sure Ron Paul wouldn't win (this was openly admitted by the Republican leaders on local radio). The crooks in Washington absolutely do not want Ron Paul to become President, and that alone should be sufficient reason to put Ron Paul into office!

You want real hope? Real change? Support Ron Paul
If you love the way things are today -- unemployment on the rise, a government drowning in debt, soldiers coming home in body bags, your friends and neighbors rotting in prison after getting caught with a little weed -- then vote for Obama! He's happy to carry on the insane policies that have led us to this point in history.

But if you want real change in America, support Ron Paul. Make a donation today, so that he can raise the necessary funds to clobber "Mittens" Romney and win the Republican nomination. Then we'll have a faceoff between Barack Obama and Ron Paul, and there's no question Paul would win that contest if the voters still have a couple of brain cells functioning when they go to vote.

Make your donations at:
www.RonPaul2012.com

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034630_Ron_Paul_democrats_liberals.html#ixzz1sIr6Sbsn

 

[itisme]

NaturalNews exclusive: Michigan government unleashes armed raids on small pig farmers, forces farmer to shoot all his own pigs

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/035585_Michigan_farms_raids.html#ixzz1sItEZFD2
http://www.naturalnews.com/035585_Michigan_farms_raids.html

This and the RAW MILK raids.....all under the pretense of trying to protect us but FDA says BPA is fine to stay in our canned goods and more....WTH? Wake up if you don't know already...They want to ruin the economy and the food supply too. Does it seem like it is working???

If you don't like me that is fine, think about your families: Mom, Dad, Brother, Sister, Kids, dogs, cats....any and all!

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

still not one specific example of the irrelevance of the outdated document...


just a diatribe.

this here is just a difference of opinion. he thinks it is ok to update it for the times because his opinion is that the specific time of man matters. We think it should be preserved, and the time of man makes no difference because it is representing a broad idea and not a specific faith. When interpreting the Bible I see it his way, it must be updated for the times, but when interpreting the constitution I don't. His argument has become much more understandable now that he has taken the time to explain in more detail.

 

[dagnabit]

but what(does he feel) needs to be updated?

for instance:
the dietary restrictions in the bible. they made sense prior to modern preservation and sterilization technology. i get that.

 

[whodare]

www.archives.gov April 17, 2012



The Constitution of the United States: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Constitution in its original form.
Items that are hyperlinked have since been amended or superseded.
i put * next to the parts ammended



We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Article. I.

Section. 1.

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Section. 2.

The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

*Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.

When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.

The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.

Section. 3.

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

Immediately after they shall be assembled in Consequence of the first Election, they shall be divided as equally as may be into three Classes. The Seats of the Senators of the first Class shall be vacated at the Expiration of the second Year, of the second Class at the Expiration of the fourth Year, and of the third Class at the Expiration of the sixth Year, so that one third may be chosen every second Year;* and if Vacancies happen by Resignation, or otherwise, during the Recess of the Legislature of any State, the Executive thereof may make temporary Appointments until the next Meeting of the Legislature, which shall then fill such Vacancies.

No Person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State for which he shall be chosen.

The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

The Senate shall chuse their other Officers, and also a President pro tempore, in the Absence of the Vice President, or when he shall exercise the Office of President of the United States.

The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments. When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no Person shall be convicted without the Concurrence of two thirds of the Members present.

Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.

Section. 4.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, *and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.

Section. 5.

Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

Each House shall keep a Journal of its Proceedings, and from time to time publish the same, excepting such Parts as may in their Judgment require Secrecy; and the Yeas and Nays of the Members of either House on any question shall, at the Desire of one fifth of those Present, be entered on the Journal.

Neither House, during the Session of Congress, shall, without the Consent of the other, adjourn for more than three days, nor to any other Place than that in which the two Houses shall be sitting.

Section. 6.

The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place.

No Senator or Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall have been encreased during such time; and no Person holding any Office under the United States, shall be a Member of either House during his Continuance in Office.

Section. 7.

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States: If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.

Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;--And

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

Section. 9.

The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for each Person.

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, *unless in Proportion to the Census or enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

No Tax or Duty shall be laid on Articles exported from any State.

No Preference shall be given by any Regulation of Commerce or Revenue to the Ports of one State over those of another; nor shall Vessels bound to, or from, one State, be obliged to enter, clear, or pay Duties in another.

No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

Section. 10.

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Article. II.

Section. 1.

The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

*The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.

The Congress may determine the Time of chusing the Electors, and the Day on which they shall give their Votes; which Day shall be the same throughout the United States.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

*In Case of the Removal of the President from Office, or of his Death, Resignation, or Inability to discharge the Powers and Duties of the said Office, the Same shall devolve on the Vice President, and the Congress may by Law provide for the Case of Removal, Death, Resignation or Inability, both of the President and Vice President, declaring what Officer shall then act as President, and such Officer shall act accordingly, until the Disability be removed, or a President shall be elected.

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Section. 2.

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

The President shall have Power to fill up all Vacancies that may happen during the Recess of the Senate, by granting Commissions which shall expire at the End of their next Session.

Section. 3.

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

Section. 4.

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.

Article III.

Section. 1.

The judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish. The Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour, and shall, at stated Times, receive for their Services a Compensation, which shall not be diminished during their Continuance in Office.

Section. 2.

The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;--to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;--to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;--to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;--to Controversies between two or more States;-- *between a State and Citizens of another State,--between Citizens of different States,--between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.

In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

The Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

Section. 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Article. IV.

Section. 1.

Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

Section. 2.

The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

A Person charged in any State with Treason, Felony, or other Crime, who shall flee from Justice, and be found in another State, shall on Demand of the executive Authority of the State from which he fled, be delivered up, to be removed to the State having Jurisdiction of the Crime.

*No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

Section. 3.

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Section. 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened), against domestic Violence.

Article. V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

Article. VI.

All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Article. VII.

The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.

Attest William Jackson Secretary

done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

i made your life easier BOM.

now what would you change?

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

I can list huge flaw of the current constitution. NO TERM LIMITS ON SENATORS AND GOVERNORS AND JUDGES. Eminent domain is another one. Citizens united. The entire CSA and DEA

 

[whodare]

I can name a huge flaw of the constitution. NO TERM LIMITS ON SENATORS AND GOVERNORS AND JUDGES.

Eminent domain is another one!

yes i would say that might have been a bit of an over sight. luckily they planned on not being perfect and let there be a way to change it through the proper processes of law...

senate and fed judges need limits. Governors i'd say term limits are up to the states?