Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[bombadil.360]

I won't bother to tell you to wake up troll...But I will tell you to go fuck yourself!

We have a vision as did the founding fathers and that vision doesn't include haveing the whole US stolen from the individual owners under the auspices of "property taxes" and our other things we own like cars, boats, and rvs under the "personal property taxes" laws either. Think it was not a theft? Try not paying them and see what happens. They will be taken from you by an armed LEO and resold to someone that will pay their rent called taxes. Stock market - just another casino venture.
40,000 new laws came into effect on Jan 1st,2012. How many more years will it take to make everyone except the LEO and politicians criminals. Or is it already happened while you were rubbing up against Obama...conspiracy theory? Not a chance - reality -done...

what's the meaning of this anti-tax rambling?

has Ron Paul promised no more taxes?

if he has, well, he's lying to you.

gotta pay them taxes, whether you like it or not; no where in the world will you not have to pay them.

taxes: another reality the infantile need to deal with before they start to grow up.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

of course it is a cult, the cult of the primitive minded.

you want to restore a constitution written hundreds of years ago, by men who never saw an airplane fly; written by men who never knew that technology has made the world "small", 'small' in the sense that today, you and I can travel and know hundreds, if not more amounts of information that the 'founding fathers' ever could have.

we are in a world where you can watch a film like Baraka and make reflections the 'founding fathers' never could.

we are in a world where speed of transfer of information is so vast that it would make the 'founding fathers' heads spin and hurt.

and yes, it is obviously a cult, one that worships the 'founding fathers' who by the way were slave-owners, as some sort of flawless super-intelligent role-models.

please...

and you kids tell me to wake up?

There is nothing primitive about these ideas. these ideas were created by the greatest philosophers in human history. These ideas brought about the Golden age of the Greeks, The renaissance, The american Revolution and the French Revolution. If it were not for these ideas of freedom, liberty, and democracy we would still be living on flat Earth under Theocracy.

There is nothing primitive about wanting to be your own master. To live with out a government telling you what you can and cannot do with your own body on your own property, where your money needs to go, and that they know best for me. I am free to decide those things for my self. No one has the right to infringe on my pursuit of life, liberty, and happiness.

the constitution is timeless, that is the point. It is not meant to be an unlimited document to aid politicians in obtaining power, and control over people. It is meant to adapt to limit the power of government, not to expand government. It is meant to prevent tyranny. The Principle of Tyranny has also not changed though out the course of human history

the principles of liberty and freedom are the same as they have been for the entirety of human history. The founding fathers didn't make up these philosophies. All the technology and new information in the world can not ever change the principles of liberty, and freedom just as it will not change the principle of honesty or humility, etc.

So.....You are pulling all that stuff right out of your ass, or you really do not understand Liberty or Freedom. Either way I pity your limited mind. You would make an excellent German citizen of 1938. It is sad how fast you conform and accept control from a government because they tell you it is for the greater good.

You my friend are the reason people say that humans keep making the mistake of forgetting the lessons of history. That is exactly what you are doing when you denounce the principles of Liberty and freedom...... and yes Justice for all.

Let me ask you. How many North Koreans have the liberty to travel on a plane, or to even use the internet with out limitation? Only one. that is how many.

So you keep ignoring history and facts, and enjoy your chains. your mind is shackled for sure.

 

[dagnabit]

what's the meaning of this anti-tax rambling?

has Ron Paul promised no more taxes?

if he has, well, he's lying to you.

gotta pay them taxes, whether you like it or not; no where in the world will you not have to pay them.

taxes: another reality the infantile need to deal with before they start to grow up.

have you ever heard of transference?

this is a classic example. you attribute your own simplistic thought processes to others.
in the above example you attribute the classic all or nothing fallacy in reasoning to BC.
BC makes a statement about a specific type of taxes and the enforcement tactics used.
you then equate the limited scope of his statement to the unlimited entirety of taxation....

the problem most liberty minded individuals have with the tax scheme we have today is the punitive nature of our taxation.
our tax system is not designed to do the simple job of paying for necessary governmental function. it is used as a carrot and stick to incentivize certain social behaviors and punish morays.

therein is the true crux of the argument.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

what's the meaning of this anti-tax rambling?

has Ron Paul promised no more taxes?

if he has, well, he's lying to you.

gotta pay them taxes, whether you like it or not; no where in the world will you not have to pay them.

taxes: another reality the infantile need to deal with before they start to grow up.

He never promised no taxes. he just says he wants limit the power of the federal government to tax for what ever they want to tax for. It is called taxation with representation. this is totally appropriate. Everyone from the Tea Party to OWS agree on this fact. The federal government has gotten out of hand. You have middle class citizens paying 50 percent of there pay to city state and federal taxes. that means of you make 40 a year you take home 20. then 40 percent of that money goes to the pentagon for illegal war.

If you actually stopped listening to the media and listen to Ron Paul speak on the issues you would like him. The first thing to go for him is the giant pentagon budget and the drug war.

If you realized that the federal reserve bank controls the government then you would agree with him on monetary policy. however you have never studied economic history. You have no idea what you are talking about. You are like a 19th century dutch tulip investor.

so yes keep telling me to grow up when you have no understanding of economic history and the flaws of the economic policy of the USA since 1913. you also have no understanding of tyranny vs. freedom, and the unalienable rights of man.

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

What is funny about Bom calling me primitive minded is that my I.Q. is over 140. everyone else I know with an I.Q. over 140 is a Libertarian. One has a doctorate in law. two have a phd in chemistry. One has a phd in thermal engineering. one has a phd in psychology. one has a phd in economics and business and owns 6 successful businesses, one has a phd in Electrical engineering. I am a botanist.

Yes we are so primitive with our advanced understanding of math, science, history, economics, and society. I guess Bom must be in the top .001 percent of intelligence.

arrogant

 

[bombadil.360]

There is nothing primitive about wanting to be your own master.

specially comming from peeps who owned slaves, that's a classic.

the u.s constitution has its good things, it'd be silly to deny that; just as silly as to try to implement it literally in today's world.

man does his best to try to cope with today's problems, problems that the 'founding fathers' would not have forseen in their wildest dreams.

to try to paint all of man's efforts today to try to cope with today's problems as 'unconstitutional' because they are not in perfect agreement with a document written hundreds of years ago, is, well, pretty stupid.

but reason will not win when cult-mind has settled in.

over and out.

 

[dagnabit]

specially comming from peeps who owned slaves, that's a classic.

the u.s constitution has its good things, it'd be silly to deny that; just as silly as to try to implement it literally in today's world.

.

what would you delete?

 

[dramamine]

you guys want cold-hard-facts? ask the countless women getting stoned to death in places like Iran, then come back and try to justify Ron Paul-like stances on the issue.

the world is not black-and-white, and you cannot assume rigid ideological stance in hopes to 'fix' it.

mad bomber....your post is one of the most ignorant I've seen in this thread. One example among many: the fact that you simultaneously pan Ron Paul's non-interventionism, then immediately follow it with that second paragraph is fucking laughable. The whole guise of US involvement worldwide is to 'fix' things based on ideology. I'm not really laughing, though, because you unfortunately represent the prevailing attitude of most Americans: no matter what happens, I'm gonna be taken care of...
I get the feeling that you're not really emotionally invested in any of the things you're speaking about. On that basis, you should get out of the thread.

 

[bombadil.360]

what would you delete?

nothing. why would I want to delete anything from such an important historical document?

on the other hand, why would you want to implement everything in it when it was written with a world-view hundreds of years old that never even imagined today's problem?

mad bomber....your post is one of the most ignorant I've seen in this thread. One example among many: the fact that you simultaneously pan Ron Paul's non-interventionism, then immediately follow it with that second paragraph is fucking laughable. The whole guise of US involvement worldwide is to 'fix' things based on ideology. I'm not really laughing, though, because you unfortunately represent the prevailing attitude of most Americans: no matter what happens, I'm gonna be taken care of...
I get the feeling that you're not really emotionally invested in any of the things you're speaking about. On that basis, you should get out of the thread.

one minute you guys ramble about constitutional rights, freedom and blah blah blah, and on the next you think it is ok to let women get stoned to death in other countries because you're too good of a guy to do an evil thing like 'intervene'.



hey, you want me out of the thread? what happened to Ron Paul's constitutional free speech? or do you not support that when people do not agree with your cult-ideology?

 

[dagnabit]

nothing. why would I want to delete anything from such an important historical document?

we are in absolute agreement!

on the other hand, why would you want to implement everything in it when it was written with a world-view hundreds of years old that never even imagined today's problem?

i believe the colloquialism is "if it aint broke....."

 

[bombadil.360]

i believe the colloquialism is "if it aint broke....."

funny, it is like seeing the dogmatists trying to interpret the religious books literally; anyone who doesn't do as they do are wrong.

of course, this takes us back to the whole cult-mind.

 

[dramamine]

one minute you guys ramble about constitutional rights, freedom and blah blah blah, and on the next you think it is ok to let women get stoned to death in other countries because you're too good of a guy to do an evil thing like 'intervene'.

I didn't say anything about what was OK or not. I merely quoted you, completely contradicting yourself....within two paragraphs. So which wars do you think Ron Paul should support? Just the ones in countries that stone citizens to death? Isn't that trying to "fix something based on an ideology"? That's your quote, by the way. You're talking out your ass....

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Ron Paul says he wants to "end the federal income tax" (on the campaign trail.)

Why do supporters want to de-radicalize Paul's positions? His book says, "END THE FED" in big, red capital letters across the entire book cover.

Sure he says, "audit the Fed". That's for the less radical.

Ron's McDLT serves it up hot for the base while simultaneously attempting to keep the tomato cool for the rest of us.

So what... uh, who exactly is Ron Paul? A steaming pile of pink-slime or a cold serving of accoutrements?

 

[dagnabit]

funny, it is like seeing the dogmatists trying to interpret the religious books literally; anyone who doesn't do as they do are wrong.

of course, this takes us back to the whole cult-mind.

hey i tried to ask you what specifically you would change.
you know dialogue...
but instead it's just more vagary about "modern problems" and "slave owners".

so ill try again...
what edits,deletions or additions would you suggest to bring the antiquated into relevance?

 

[dagnabit]

Ron Paul says he wants to "end the federal income tax" (on the campaign trail.)

AMEN!!!!
end punitive taxation!!!

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

specially comming from peeps who owned slaves, that's a classic.

the u.s constitution has its good things, it'd be silly to deny that; just as silly as to try to implement it literally in today's world.

man does his best to try to cope with today's problems, problems that the 'founding fathers' would not have forseen in their wildest dreams.

to try to paint all of man's efforts today to try to cope with today's problems as 'unconstitutional' because they are not in perfect agreement with a document written hundreds of years ago, is, well, pretty stupid.

but reason will not win when cult-mind has settled in.

over and out.

I dont want to hear that bull shit about slaves. Currently there are more slaves on earth than there has ever been in human history. half of them are sex slaves. The other half are owned by wstern corporations THAT YOU AND ALL AMERICANS BENEFIT EVERYDAY FROM, AND THEY SUFFER!! Go google "Indonesian palm oil production slaves"

you don't get it at all. it is not the document, or the authors you dip shit. it is the ideas it represents.

Your just an idiot. your retort makes absolutely no sense. It is basically the equivalent of calling me a poopy head. you did not even read my post. do you not understand the constitution is a document securing ideas that have been around for thousands of years? It started with Greek Democracy. Then way down the road after many free societies, there was common law and the magna carta. The constitution is just the latest document meant to protect the unalienable rights of man kind. It does this through education. something you are obviously lacking, and I am not. I have about 12 more years of it than you at least. I am smarter than Obama, and the majority of the ivy league politicians in Washington, just from my own personal studies, and am not scared to wield it. by informing people of there rights it introduces them to the mind set of freedom.

unconstitutional is just a word for tyrannical. tyranny has been around for a long time. it comes in many forms of control. Those tyrannical forms of control are are outlawed in the bill of rights. The bill of rights has been shredded.

Please tell me how the drug war is not tyrannical?

Tell me how forcing me against my will by threat of prison to pay 30 percent of my income to the government to help pay for 700 imperialistic military bases around the globe is not tyrannical.

Tell me how 8 federal police forces and the TSA are not infringing on the right to privacy.

by denoucing the ideas of freedom and liberty you automatically support the counter parts of tyranny like the drug war, the assassination of citizens with out trial, and the indefinite detention act. You support torture, and unlimited power of the military industrial complex. you support slavery.


When you get it it will be an epiphany. It will hit you like a ton of bricks. it opens your mind like a mushroom trip.

 

[bentom187]

From RP forums:
from a santorum supporter

"COULD I BE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE?


Sometimes I think this whole world
Is one big prison yard
Some of us are prisoners
Some of us are guards
Bob Dylan

Having lost my preferred choice for a presidential candidate on Tuesday, I determined that after a suitable period of mourning and reflection the only viable option was to shake it off and begin the search anew, the presumptive, media-anointed frontrunner not being desirable or acceptable.

Last night, as part of this Quixote-like quest, I ventured into the heretofore unexplored dimension of a Ron Paul rally and was witness to something that can only be described as all parts exhilarating, befuddling, encouraging, depressing, moving, maddening and, ultimately, inspiring. More on all that later.

Over the years I have been to more political rallies, events, forums, roundtables, discussion groups, debates and whatever than I care to remember. While a whole range of adjectives from boring to thrilling could be used to describe these events, I have never before been moved to use contradictory metaphors for the same event. Attending a Ron Paul campaign rally is a singularly unique experience. I have never seen anything like it before. Perhaps phenomenal is the word that comes closest in accuracy, not in the ordinary “awesome” sense, but in the other-worldly, spatiotemporal sense.

A little truth in advertising first: I come from an old school of conservatism, a hodgepodge of Strauss, Kirk, Buckley, Reagan and a smattering of other modern day conservative thinkers who shaped my thinking while coming of age in the midst of a persistent nuclear threat during the so-called Cold War, replete with duck and cover, fallout shelters and a young girl sitting in a meadow picking the petals off a daisy. One is shaped by the world one is raised in and then, if playing the game right, uses those experiences to shape the world for those who will inherit it.

The purpose of this piece is not to analyze Mr. Paul’s specific policies, although my worldview does not coalesce with his on many fronts. I do not write this piece from the point of view of a longtime Paul devotee, many of whom (and you know who you are) I have exasperatingly debated over the fallacies I see in some (not all) of his positions. Over the years, though, I have learned (much to my surprise and dismay) that not everyone will agree with my positions on all things and I often frustratingly find myself having internal disagreements with my own stated beliefs. Such is the nature of evolving thought.

I have spoken before a lot of groups in the last several years as we have all grappled with the seeming dissolution of our country. I have half-jokingly said on many of these occasions that the other side doesn’t really have to defeat us politically, they just have to wait for us all to die off so they can implement their plans. My point has been that the greatest issue facing the conservative cause is a demographical one, a lack of diversity that will shortly render the conservative message irrelevant. Where are the youth? I and others have asked. Where are the people of color? Why doesn’t the conservative message resonate?

The answer to where they are could be found last night at the Will Rogers Auditorium. Often at political events there is a sense of excitement, anticipation, a certain buzz in the audience while waiting for the main event. Excitement, anticipation and buzz are weak and inadequate words to describe the pre-rally crowd last night. Energy is even inadequate. What undulated through the thousands who thronged outside before the doors opened last night was a kinetic power, the power of hope, the power of liberation, the power of anger at a system turned upside down, the power of liberation and, yes, the ultimate and emancipating power of freedom. You had to be there to understand it.

Once inside, for the only time in my politically active life, I was transported to a world I had not seen before. There was enough energy in that room to power a skyscraper. Teenagers, college students, whites, Hispanics, African Americans, Asians, middle-aged, elderly, every racial, ethnic, socio-economic, cross cultural ingredient of the American melting pot was there. The auditorium was a cauldron of American citizens who understand and have grasped the true nature of the tyranny which has befallen this nation, a conflagration, if you will, of passion and anger and joy and determination. This is where the fire starts this time. The eruption when Mr. Paul took the stage was deafening.

While I didn’t find much to cheer about on the foreign policy portion of his speech, it is on domestic policy that I find much agreement with Ron Paul. In fact, he could have lifted whole tracks of his speech from my book, Common Ground America. Foreign policy, while a crucial element of any president’s agenda, has slowly shifted from my center of attention to domestic policy, I having long come to the conclusion that the greatest threat to American freedom comes not from foreign governments, but from our own. Sadly, America has become one of the least free nations on earth. Increasingly, everything in our lives is being regulated by a faceless bureaucracy, to a degree that neither Orwell nor Huxley could have imagined. Want to add a room onto your house? Get permission. Want to get married? Get permission. Want to open a business? Get permission. Want to fly a flag in your front yard? Get permission. Want to own a gun? Get permission. Want to open a lemonade stand? Get permission. Want to play Frisbee on the beach? Get fined. Want to preach politics from the pulpit? Get fined. Want to protest your government without permission? Get arrested.

We have become a nation of regulations and licenses and permits, fines and punishment and intimidation by a remorseless, uncaring government. We have become, as Dylan sang in 1971, “One big prison yard”, in which our guards are always watching, always monitoring, always snooping, always threatening, always ready to swoop in with a fine or a cuff or a taser or a bullet should we wander outside the boundaries of what is allowed. The IRS can now revoke your passport should you owe too much on your taxes, making you not just a literal prisoner but a figurative one as well. It has been so long since we were truly free that we don’t even recognize it anymore. Freedom is slowly being snuffed out in American.

Obamacare is only the latest affront to freedom. While lawyers and pundits debate the constitutionality of this provision or that, what goes unstated is the insidious evil of the bill itself. Your very body, your existence, you own life will now belong to the state should Obamacare stand. If your physical body belongs to the state, how then is American freedom defined?

What exactly is our national security securing? Certainly not our liberty. We have been sacrificing ever larger chucks of our liberty to the gods of security for decades now and in the interests of securing our liberty have given it all away. Go to an airport if you want to witness the loss of liberty in all its glorious humiliation. One wonders if we actually were taken over by another power and our Constitution dismantled what exactly could they do to restrict our movements, monitor our activities and control our actions that would be any worse or oppressive than what our own government is doing right now?

This part of Mr. Paul’s message, if I have interpreted it correctly, is what resonates with me. All the other things pale in contrast to our becoming a nation of slaves.

Can Mr. Paul become the next president of the United States? At the risk of inflaming his supporters, I must say I doubt it. The media’s message is that he no longer exists, the question is settled and Mr. Romney is the Republican nominee. It is true Mr. Paul’s most ardent supporters are strenuously working at the precinct level to tilt the delegate count at the Republican convention in his favor. Do they have the numbers to pull that off? I don’t know. But knowing the ones involved locally I would guess their chances are better than 50/50. Will that type of organized effort be successful in enough states nationwide to put Mr. Paul over the top? Your guess is as good as mine. I’m not even going there.

So what did I come away with last night? It can be captured in one picture. Before Mr. Paul was introduced, part of his family took the stage: his wife, one of his sons, a smattering of cousins, nieces and nephews. That picture tells us all we need to know. They are us. They weren’t pulled from central casting, exquisitely coifed and finely tailored, prepped and ready for the cameras. No. They are a family. They are us.

Where personally do I go now? As I said, I have more internal debates than an outwardly sane person should admit. For over three years now I have been looking for an army - an army to take on the anti-Americans, the Communists, the statists, the outright criminals running our government. An army of citizens fiercely devoted to liberty and the founding principles of America. One rose up three years ago but slowly faded away. As I looked around the room last night, I saw a lot of faces I recognized from the past, from the ghost army that either became dispirited or no longer believed in the message. So this is where you all went….

The flame of liberty’s torch is no longer just slowly being extinguished. Each day brings new Executive Orders, new laws, new regulations, each more ominous than the last. Corruption in our government and our financial markets is rampant. The disease of dependency is infecting every layer of society. America is dying. We need an army of citizens, motivated and committed, to restore liberty in America, to breathe new life, new vibrancy into a nation on life support. We will not return our nation’s vitality with lawyers. We will not be prescribed the cures for our ailments by opportunistic politicians pedaling the latest edition of What Will It Take to Buy Your Vote. We simply will not. America is on the brink of flatlining.

Which logically only leads to one question:

Is there a doctor in the house?

Which logically only leads to one answer:

Ron Paul 2012"

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-AXXXXn MXXXX, Fort Worth, TX.

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[bentom187]

I beleive we are in for some sweeps around the country, heres a insider in GA about to go to his district convention

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In CD

its just one district i found video for [YOUTUBEIF]nEer5Sa2hJ8[/YOUTUBEIF] it was yesterday

heres a pic of the state convention today

 

[Hash Zeppelin]

to try to paint all of man's efforts today to try to cope with today's problems as 'unconstitutional' because they are not in perfect agreement with a document written hundreds of years ago, is, well, pretty stupid.



over and out.

furthermore going with Bom's logic then I guess Beethoven, Bach, and Paganini are primitive too. They wrote their music over a century ago. there is no way they could have conceived the electric guitar and auto tuning technology we have today.

We are human. until we evolve passed human and humans are extinct through evolution we will always desire our unalienable rights.

 

[bombadil.360]

I didn't say anything about what was OK or not. I merely quoted you, completely contradicting yourself....within two paragraphs. So which wars do you think Ron Paul should support? Just the ones in countries that stone citizens to death? Isn't that trying to "fix something based on an ideology"? That's your quote, by the way. You're talking out your ass....

darn, and here I thought that not stoning women to death because they wore pants instead of skirts was just a matter of common-sense rather than political ideology.

you got me there, champ!