Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[whodare]

http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/apr/10/ron-paul-also-matters-more-romney-santorum-and-oba/

TAMPA, April 10, 2012 —*Ron Paul matters much more than Newt Gingrich in this year’s Republican nomination race, according to The Washington Post. Both men trail frontrunners Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum by a wide margin in terms of primary victories.

As usual, The Washington Post was silent on the possibility that Paul may have far more delegates than most media outlets are reporting.

The thrust of The Washington Post story is that Paul has much more leverage due to his growing following and potential for a third party run. Thus, he has already influenced the Republican Party, including scrutiny of the Federal Reserve, more attention to the debt crisis and even some grudging concessions on foreign policy.

Just a few years back, none of this was part of the Republican platform.

However, the Post article misses the most important point. Ron Paul doesn’t just matter more than Newt Gingrich. He also matters more than Romney, Santorum or even President Obama. Ron Paul has already had a greater impact on America than any U.S. President in generations.

The Republicans have made unseating Obama a sacred quest in this year’s election. To listen to their rhetoric, you would think that Fidel Castro had been inaugurated in January 2009. Obama’s supporters operate under a similar delusion, although they feel differently about it.

It is apparent that both conservatives and progressives have completely lost touch with reality. Nothing has changed since Obama replaced George W. Bush. Nothing would change if Mitt Romney or Rick Santorum replaced Obama, either.

Americans elected Obama in 2008 to not be George W. Bush. Bush was reviled by voters for what they believed was an unnecessary war in Iraq, for spying on American citizens, for being too cozy with Wall Street, and for assuming executive powers not delegated to him by the Congress. Obama promised to change all of that.

Four years later, Obama has started at least three new wars while expanding the boondoggle in Afghanistan. He has continued spying on Americans and sought to expand this authority in the courts. He has filled his cabinet with Wall Street insiders and has bested George W. Bush on expanding executive powers.

Obama actually claims the right to arrest, to indefinitely detain and even to assassinate American citizens that he deems dangerous - all without due process.

Romney and Santorum both support all of this. Gingrich thinks it’s not enough. Progressives in the media who howled with righteous indignation at Bush’s depredations seem to have fallen asleep now that Obama is in.

Doesn’t anyone remember Keith Olbermann’s tirades about Bush’s dictatorial power grabs? Is there some reason that it is ok when a progressive does the same thing?

However, Obama did lead America down the path to socialism by expanding the government’s role in healthcare and imposing draconian regulations on the financial sector, right? Surely he departs from the “laissez faire” Bush here. Can you say “Medicare Part D” or “Sarbanes-Oxley?”

Nothing changes. Obama is no different than Bush. Neither Romney, Santorum, nor Gingrich would be any different than Obama. They don’t even propose to cut Obama’s spending. The spending “cuts” they propose are actually just reductions in spending increases in future years. In other words, they have no objection to Obama’s spending now. They all admit this, yet their supporters continue in their missionary zeal as if their candidates represent some sort of radical change.

Then there is Ron Paul. He doesn’t just talk about cutting spending. He published his first year budget, cutting $1 trillion dollars. He doesn’t just talk about individual liberty. He wants to end the failed drug war and repeal the Patriot Act. He promises to bring troops home from all over the world and allow young people to opt out of unsustainable entitlement programs. Ron Paul proposes real solutions to real problems, regardless of the political consequences.

Ron Paul is the first presidential candidate in my lifetime to actually use the words “role of government” as if the subject should be debated. He challenges the status quo – the whole, multi-trillion dollar monster in Washington, D.C. that purports to care for 300 million people from cradle to grave and police the entire world. Ron Paul has dared to speak the unspeakable and millions of people all over the world are listening.

That’s why Ron Paul is more important than whoever wins the Republican nomination or the presidency this year. Presidents have come and gone for decades while the federal government has continued to trample our liberties, loot our wealth, and propagate new enemies around the world, regardless of which party has been in power.

Then along came Ron Paul, an overnight sensation thirty-six years in the making. To those who understand what is happening, the presidential election seems almost irrelevant as Paul’s audiences explode into the thousands. Long after history has deemed Bush, Obama and this year’s winner indistinguishable postage stamps on the road to disaster, it will remember the man who planted new seeds during the election of 2012.

As George Washington once said, “Liberty, when it begins to take root, is a plant of rapid growth.”

 

[bombadil.360]

it seems a bit confusing to see someone who has quotes of Gandhi (avid anti-muslim) and the Dalai Lama (not a friend of China for sure), post so much propaganda in favor of communist China and Muslim Iran.

just an observation, not trying to start a shit war here.

rather, just trying to see some consistency.

peace

 

[ShroomDr]

ITS OVER JOHNNY


Santorum is "suspending his campaign".

 

[GP73LPC]

ITS OVER JOHNNY


Santorum is "suspending his campaign".

it was mostly over when Goldman Sachs chose Mittens as their candidate...

 

[SpasticGramps]

It's settled then. Mittens vs The O in November. Goldman Sachs vs Goldman Sachs. The future is bright. For the bourgeois at at least. Not so much for the proles

The ultimate bread and circus show may now commence.

 

[whodare]

it seems a bit confusing to see someone who has quotes of Gandhi (avid anti-muslim) and the Dalai Lama (not a friend of China for sure), post so much propaganda in favor of communist China and Muslim Iran.

if Hitler said the sky was blue and you believed him, does it make you a nazi?

just because i have quotes from those people doesn't mean i hold dear all of their beliefs.

just an observation, not trying to start a shit war here.

then send this kind of message in pm form or something as it serves no purpose to this thread. My posts are to demonstrate the imperialistic nature of the current american regime, refute posts i think are wrong, or promote the only "libertarian" candidate with a dick hairs chance at winning the presidency...

rather, just trying to see some consistency.

i've been consistent, so has Ron Paul, and you have consistently missed the point.



btw im not promoting iran's or china's governments just their sovereignty.

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

So, now that Santorum is out, what does that mean for Paul? I was hoping Gringles and Sanatarum would stay in the race to further fragment the GOP. Now that he's gone, where do his delegates go? Does this mean that the likelyhood of a brokered convention is now nill?

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

So, now that Santorum is out, what does that mean for Paul? I was hoping Gringles and Sanatarum would stay in the race to further fragment the GOP. Now that he's gone, where do his delegates go? Does this mean that the likelyhood of a brokered convention is now nill?

Actually, this could theoretically be the best thing for us. If he decides to release his delegates, they can vote for whoever, and romney might not be conservative enough.

http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=16112323

Plus, several were never really guaranteed his in the first place.

" The Fate of Rick Santorum's Delegates Chris Good Today, 5:41 PM

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Now that Rick Santorum is out of the race, what happens to his delegates?

Santorum has 285 delegates, according to the latest ABC News delegate estimate, second to Mitt Romney's 661. He captured the majority of them by winning 10 states-11 if you count Missouri's nonbinding primary, which the candidate counted in his bowing-out speech today.

But some of those delegates were never really "his." ABC estimates that 78 Santorum delegates, from his wins in states that don't "award" their delegates - Iowa, Colorado, Minnesota, and North Dakota, would have been free to support any candidate at the Republican National Convention in Tampa.

Another two of Santorum's delegates were Republican National Committee superdelegates, who will attend the convention by virtue of their positions in the party, and are also free to support whomever they choose in Tampa.

Santorum won seven more delegates from unbound caucus states Washington and Wyoming.

He won another 10 delegates from Illinois, where they would not be required by state or national-party rule to vote for Santorum in Tampa, either, although Santorum's campaign presented their names and qualifying signatures to the state board of elections.

That leaves 188 Santorum delegates heading to Tampa. They'll be required to vote for him, unless he chooses to release them, according to state-party rules.

Even if Santorum endorses Romney, that doesn't mean he can gift all of his delegates to his former rival. Should Santorum elect to release his delegates, they'll become free agents, able to support whichever candidate they choose.

If he does release them, will he receive any votes on the floor of the Tampa Bay Times Forum?

Maybe a few. Mike Huckabee received no votes in St. Paul, Minn., after releasing his delegates. Mitt Romney received two votes, having dropped out two days after Super Tuesday in 2008. Ron Paul, the last man standing against John McCain, who held his own shadow convention as McCain was being crowned, received 20 votes at the Xcel Center, despite failing to qualify for the convention ballot. Romney, who also did not qualify for the ballot, received two votes."

 

[itisme]

North Dakota Caucus Railroaded to Give Majority to Mitt Romney?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfTqmLufWU&feature=uploademail


ST. CHARLES • Supporters of U.S. Rep. Ron Paul took control of St. Charles County’s second-try Republican caucus Tuesday night, winning all of its delegates to later stages of the state GOP’s presidential selection process.
The Paul campaign used superior organization to get its people to the meeting at the St. Charles Convention Center. More than 900 people took part overall.
Brent Stafford, the Paul activist who chaired the caucus, said Paul’s supporters were "inspired by his positions on constitutional government and sound fiscal policy’’ and his consistency on issues over the years.
GOP State Chairman David Cole had scheduled the do-over session after the county GOP’s original caucus March 17 disbanded amid boisterous disputes over rules. Two Paul supporters, including Stafford, were arrested at that event.
The session Tuesday night was comparatively calm, although there was some confusion and arguments over procedure at some points.
Paul's caucus victory occurred even though he got less than 13 percent of the vote in the county in the nonbinding GOP presidential primary in February. Paul is far behind front-runner Mitt Romney in national delegate totals.
"They worked hard, were well organized and they got the turnout," Karen Fesler, the disappointed state director of Rick Santorum’s campaign, said of the victorious Paul team.
Fesler and other Santorum backers had hoped to keep Santorum supporters together to advance their own slate even though their candidate had dropped out of the race earlier in the day.
The goal, some said, was to make sure socially conservative issues would be in the national GOP platform.
But Fesler said there was no question their numbers dropped because of Santorum’s announcement.
Buddy Hardin, a Romney campaign leader in the county, took a philosophical view, noting that Romney is now the presumptive nominee given Santorum’s departure from the race.
"Today we won the war so losing the battle tonight doesn’t quite have the same sting," Hardin said.
He said he began working for Romney’s bids for the GOP nomination in 2006. "I can go to bed tonight knowing that has been accomplished, and we can look forward to November," he said.
In St. Charles County, the combined numbers for Santorum and Romney slates didn’t equal those for the Paul slate.
Early in the meeting the Paul contingent flexed its muscle when it elected Stafford, of O’Fallon, Mo., as the caucus chairman.
But it wasn’t immediately clear then whether all voting for Stafford were also for Paul and how the delegates to be chosen later in the evening would be divvied up among Paul and other presidential contenders.
Stafford was picked caucus chairman over Cole, the GOP state chairman, 480-402.
Cole was supported for chairman by the campaign organizations for Romney, Santorum and Newt Gingrich. The Gingrich campaign did not make a major effort to get people to show up.
The caucus was the last in a series of 142 such meetings across the state.
Cole, from Cassville in southwest Missouri, began the meeting as temporary chairman. He then oversaw the election of the caucus chairman, Stafford.
Cole assumed the temporary chairman role from the county GOP committee chairman, Eugene Dokes, whose handling of the March 17 session was sharply criticized.
Cole said in advance that video and audio recording would be allowed. A ban on recording devices by county-based organizers had been a major point of dispute on March 17.
The caucus Tuesday night picked 147 delegates to attend congressional district conventions April 21 and 147 to the GOP state convention in June.
Those meetings in turn will choose most of Missouri’s 52 delegates to the Republican National Convention in Tampa.


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Posted in Stcharles, Govt-and-politics, Political-fix on Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:27 am Updated: 8:13 am. | Tags: St. Charles County Republican Caucus, Ron Paul, Brent Stafford, Karen Fesler, Rick Santorum, Buddy Hardin, Mitt Romney, Eugene Dokes, St. Charles Convention Center, David Cole, St. Charles Mo,


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[itisme]

I mainly posted this one for a good laugh, I sure had a good one.

Newt Gingrich Utah Primary Check Bounces

Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich may not appear on the ballot for the June 26 Utah primary, after a $500 check - the required filing fee - bounced, an official said.

State election director Mark Thomas told ABC News that a $500 check given by the Gingrich campaign to secure his place on the Utah ballot bounced on March 27.

"Our office immediately attempted to contact the campaign and the designated agent but no phone calls were returned," Thomas said. "We also asked the state Republican Party to assist us, but they also could not get into communication with them, although I do not know how they attempted to contact them."

One source close to the campaign told ABC News that the Gingrich campaign recently changed finance and accounting staff. The designated agent who filed the paperwork for the campaign was Wallace Woodruff "Woody" Hales, though Hales still works for the Gingrich campaign.

If the fee is not paid by April 20, Gingrich will be disqualified from the ballot.

"Our office certifies the candidates to the county clerks on April 24," Thomas said.

The check bounce comes as no surprise as Gingrich confirmed a debt of almost $4.5 million to ABC News on Tuesday. The last Federal Election Commission report from February showed a debt of less than $2 million.

Gingrich told ABC News today that the debt increase was because the campaign got "very excited in Florida" after his South Carolina win.

"Romney spent $20 million in Florida in three weeks and I think some of our guys decided to try to match him and we didn't have Wall Street," Gingrich said. "I am going to spend some time paying it off. It is something I have done several times in my career."

Gingrich said his campaign did "exactly what a conservative should do" who is in debt.

"We cut our expenses, we cut our staff, we are now in the process of paying it off but I think what happened is, they got really involved in the fight in Florida and didn't stop and just say to themselves, 'Wait a second.' I can beat Mitt Romney in ideas, I can't possibly compete with him in money," Gingrich said.

On the day Rick Santorum suspended his campaign, Gingrich sent an email to supporters saying he was "the last conservative standing." The campaign emailed to voters that the goal was to achieve 12,000 donations by midnight.

http://news.yahoo.com/newt-gingrich-utah-primary-check-bounces-032418602--abc-news-politics.html

LOL! Newt crying I didn't have Wall Street He only had the single biggest donor in US HISTORY that just happens to own a CASINO IN CHINA, Call Sheldon Adelson you cry baby!

 

[greenmatter]

^^^^^GOOD ONE!!!!!!

way more than one good laugh in that story. some very basic fiscal irony to slap you up side the head too

 

[CannaBunkerMan]

Santorums Delegates & Ron Paul 4-10-12 Reality Check

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfPuyYeZ4Cc&feature=player_embedded

 

[bentom187]

http://dougwead.wordpress.com/2012/04/11/what-now-ron-pauls-path-to-victory/

What Now? Ron Paul’s path to victory


By Doug Wead


Okay, Rick Santorum is out. What does it mean for the race to the GOP nomination? And what choices does the Ron Paul campaign now face?

You can help us decide. Here are some options. And you don’t have to chose just one.


1.) Make an all out effort to go for it.

2.) Become the anti-Romney candidate and gather his opponents.

3.) Work with Gingrich to block Romney.

4.) Stay in the race but don’t antagonize the GOP leadership.

5.) Seek a deal with Romney while it still matters.

6.) Prepare for a Third Party run.

Here are some factors to keep in mind.

he widely reported Associated Press delegate tabulation is way off and this is driving all of the television commentary. For example, the vaunted New York Times has made no effort at a delegate count of their own, they rely fully on the AP.

Keep in mind, the AP reported 40 people at a Ron Paul event in Hudsonville, Michigan when photographs showed two thousand. They reported 1,0000 people at an event in Missouri while their own AP photograph of the event, which captured only part of the audience, numbered 2,500. And they make no effort to correct any of this.

As of today, the Associated Press awards Romney with 12 delegates in Iowa, 12 in Maine, 14 in Nevada, 9 in Colorado and 30 in Washington. Don’t they wish. They also awarded him only 7 in North Dakota where he came in third place behind Rick Santorum and Ron Paul but captured even more at the ND State Convention than they had reported. In fact, even today, the AP chart reads exactly the same, even though the numbers are dramatically different. Journalism is dead.

.By the way, I have this reoccurring nightmare that some of the state conventions will retroactively award Romney their delegates and the media will end up being right, like a broken clock is right twice a day. Then they will say, “See, what was all the fuss about? We were right all along. We were better than right. We were prescient.”

.Nevertheless, campaigns are not in the national media entertainment business. And we don’t have executives from holding companies telling our executives what to do and passing the instructions down to our on air anchors and pundits. Holding companies that depend on billions of dollars of interest free loans from that elitist piggy bank, the Federal Reserve. And unlike the media, we don’t have major companies who advertise with us and who coincidentally benefit from the same corruption by getting low interest loans from the banks who are getting interest free loans for the FED.

.In fact, we are in the business of taking on that very cycle of corruption.

.So, we still have to deal with facts.

.Without revealing too much, and keeping in mind that this changes weekly, you would be wise to calculate that Mitt Romney has about 106 delegates less than what the national media is now showing. Santorum, even before dropping out, had about 16 less. This includes adding delegates that the media incorrectly withheld from Santorum and then subtracting its false calculations. Now add 98 delegates to Ron Paul. And you have the real picture of where it stands today.

There is something else. Many of the delegates who have already been selected to go to Tampa and are pledged to vote for Mitt Romney, Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich are actually Ron Paul activists who were chosen as delegates because they showed up and got elected as such, not because they committed to any of the candidates. We don’t yet have a complete count on any of this but it is substantial. We are in the process of taking over the GOP at many precinct and country levels. And that is translating into power at the state conventions where the delegations are chosen. The GOP establishment is trying to block this by telling their people not to vote for anyone under thirty years of age or anyone who is Hispanic. But our people are filling those delegate slots. Even we can’t keep up with the numbers.

This means that the convention floor in Tampa will be loaded with Ron Paul supporters. And it means if Santorum releases his delegates many of them will vote for us because they were never Rick Santorum supporters in the first place.

Don’t underestimate the power of money to influence this process. And don’t underestimate the power of money to corrupt this process.

The presidential campaign of former Speaker of the House, Newt Gingrich, is $ 4 million in debt. So far Romney has declined to make a deal. This stalemate is likely to go all the way to convention. Why should either side back down?

And keep in mind this number. 15%. Many of the remaining primary states require a candidate to get 15% of the vote before being awarded any of the delegates. With Santorum out, it is likely that both Gingrich and Paul will qualify for delegates in most, if not all of these remaining states. Why is that important? Won’t it take more than 15% to win the nomination? It is important because it means that Gingrich, without any money, will still be able to drain off a few anti-Romney, anti-Paul delegates that would have stayed home but will now help keep a Romney victory at bay.

Texas is important. We will get no breaks from the mainstream media. So Texas will require television advertising of our own. And that will require money. Watch the next moneybomb closely.

Oh, by the way. For those following the drama in St. Charles, Missouri. We won last night. We won ALL the delegates. And the man they had arrested last month was elected the chairman. They meant it for evil. God meant it for good.

Okay, let’s see your vote. I am for making an all out effort to win it all.

You can join the discussion at http://www.facebook.com/DougWeadOfficial

 

[bombadil.360]

if Hitler said the sky was blue and you believed him, does it make you a nazi?

just because i have quotes from those people doesn't mean i hold dear all of their beliefs.




then send this kind of message in pm form or something as it serves no purpose to this thread. My posts are to demonstrate the imperialistic nature of the current american regime, refute posts i think are wrong, or promote the only "libertarian" candidate with a dick hairs chance at winning the presidency...



i've been consistent, so has Ron Paul, and you have consistently missed the point.



btw im not promoting iran's or china's governments just their sovereignty.

hopefully, Ron Paul is more consistent in his views than some of you...

ironic, that you see the western world as the imperialistic one, when it is China who is occupying Tibet, and when it is Islam that's over-taking the western-world, just ask the Germans, now they have more mosques than churches

 

[whodare]

hopefully, Ron Paul is more consistent in his views than some of you...

he has a 30 year record of the most consistent voting based on his principles, constitutional government and LIBERTY....

ironic, that you see the western world as the imperialistic one, when it is China who is occupying Tibet, and when

ironic?

i never said china was a honkey-dory place to live but its not my, country, government, or problem. That is a dispute between two sovereign states. maybe we could set the example instead of our current system.

its Islam that's over-taking the western-world, just ask the Germans, now they have more mosques than churches

your bigot colors are showing, do you fear other religions? are you against freedom of religion? are you willing to ignore the christian and jewish extremists while criticizing the ENTIRE muslim religion?


back on topic, Ron Paul doesn't see a jew or a muslim, an asian or a black he sees a PERSON. thats whats important...

 

[ItsGrowTime]

Spread the word about the InToWin2012.com moneybomb on April 15! It needs to be BIG.

 

[BrnCow]

From Ron Paul...

With Rick Santorum suspending his campaign for President yesterday, the mainstream media and the political elites have declared the race for the Republican nomination over and done.

Oh sure, more than half of the country has yet to vote.

And never mind that the presumptive nominee is not even halfway to the number of delegates needed to secure the nomination.

I am not ready to fall in line with their plans. I am not going to allow them to write the story.

This story will be written by you and me over the next few months, just as it has been over the past few years.

In the coming days, the media will be expecting me to also bow down to their new prince. Well, I want to give them a little surprise.

Instead of a defeated candidate bowing out of the race, as we saw yesterday, let's show them a surging candidate determined to ride on to Tampa!

And what's the best way to do that? To have a HUGE Money Bomb this coming weekend.

Our goal is to raise at least $2.5 million on April 15.

That will show them we are still spoiling for a fight!

You see, we are in hand-to-hand combat across the country right now with the GOP establishment as we fight for every single delegate.

And with primaries left in California and my home state of Texas, our campaign has a lot in store for the establishment over the next few weeks.

But it starts right here, with our Taxpayer Freedom Money Bomb this coming weekend.

If you believe I should stand and fight when others retreat...

If you believe our message, issues, and movement should go all the way to Tampa...

If you want our campaign to get the maximum number of delegates...

Well, then, it is vital you stand with me right now. You can pledge your contribution to the Taxpayer Freedom Money Bomb by clicking HERE.

I won't mince words - if we don't reach our $2.5 million goal, I am not sure our campaign can go on.

We cannot do this halfway. It's too important.

So please, pledge your contribution today. Pledge to fight with me over the coming weeks and months.

Promote the Taxpayer Freedom Money Bomb on Facebook and Twitter. Email and call every friend of Liberty you know.

Donate here:
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[Plant Early]

 

[itisme]

Putin's speech exposes the NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH0eHekt84g
Feb 25, 2012

HHHmmmm......Wow

 

[bombadil.360]

he has a 30 year record of the most consistent voting based on his principles, constitutional government and LIBERTY....


ironic?

i never said china was a honkey-dory place to live but its not my, country, government, or problem. That is a dispute between two sovereign states. maybe we could set the example instead of our current system.




your bigot colors are showing, do you fear other religions? are you against freedom of religion? are you willing to ignore the christian and jewish extremists while criticizing the ENTIRE muslim religion?


back on topic, Ron Paul doesn't see a jew or a muslim, an asian or a black he sees a PERSON. thats whats important...

so your views are consistent with those of Ron Paul?
that is, do you think all you have said so far in the thread is a true representation of Ron Paul?

btw, I'm only a bigot in the sense that I dislike almost everyone equally I also do not see a muslim or a christian, but I see a person, a person which I usually dislike
so sure, that kind of makes a bigot, but I'm cool with it, no need to pretend I'm someone I'm really not; however, I live and let live, even though ocassionally it is good to challenge people's view, actually, almost always this needs to be done.

peace