Anyone want to refute that Louis XVI and Nicholas II concentrated wealth bough their country anarchy and themselves executions?
This is a Ron Paul thread and current events that attach make since, I think your reaching.
Anyone want to refute that Louis XVI and Nicholas II concentrated wealth bough their country anarchy and themselves executions?
WEST= is a generic term. Be more spicific.
the FED fucked the world financial system in the 19th century.
Ron Paul ultimate goal is a commodities based currency that could include silver and other items back notes as collateral. He is flexible and not an absolutiist.
The main objective of his monetary policy would have less to do with what backs it, and much more to do with WHO CONTROLS IT! That is why ending the FED is the ultimate goal,
Looks like we're back to ending the fed.taking their power away is why lots of people fell JFK was shot. We can take back all that free trillions in stolen FED money and pay off the National Debt, burn the rest, it is digital anyway. The ROTHCHILDS have all the gold that was in Fort Knox and we can take that back too.
Funny you bring up war. Ron Paul says we shouldn't have fought the Nazis. Is he aware Germany declared war on the United States?Above is an exert of on NIXON SHOCK that states the Vietnam War was the reason for the rise and out of control spending. RP is flexable as a stated above some examples but he is addressing the ROOT OF THE CURRENT PROBLEM, THE WARS! Not presribing bombs for freedom, nor is he rigid on how to stage the transfer. Ron Paul is addressing the speding issues and the moral ones too. End the WARS.
WAR IS A RACKET, -Smedley Butler- Most decorated Soilder in US history at the time of his death. Stolen from SpasticGramps.
I think that a rebutted.
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Obfuscation (or beclouding) is the hiding of intended meaning in communication, making communication confusing, wilfully ambiguous, and harder to interpret.
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A sophism is taken as a specious argument used for deception. It might be crafted to appear logical while actually representing a falsehood, or it might use obscure words and complicated sentence constructions in order to intimidate the opponent into agreement out of fear of feeling foolish. Other techniques include manipulating the opponent's prejudices and emotions to overcome their logical faculties.
As evidence, dag emphasizes "audit" the fed (arguably dissing the idea of "end the fed" as oversimplification) while itisme emphasizes ending the fed as the ultimate goal.
The main objective of his monetary policy would have less to do with what backs it, and much more to do with WHO CONTROLS IT! That is why ending the FED is the ultimate goal
Ron Paul ultimate goal is a commodities based currency that could include silver and other items back notes as collateral. He is flexible and not an absolutiist.
WEST= is a generic term. Be more spicific.
the FED fucked the world financial system in the 19th century.
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WEST= is a generic term. Be more spicific. I feel our currecy was ruined in 1913 when the FED was created. What proof do you have our currency was worthless before then?
CONCLUSION
These claims seem far fetched yet it is plain to see that something is wrong with the Royals. It is widely acknowledged that Edward VII was dissolute. If Hallet's claim that "the British Royal family are a subset of the Rothschild family and are utilized as part of the Rothschild business as a money-making venture to create war," it would explain King Edward VII's role in starting World War One.
The reports of homosexuality, drugs, pederasty, promiscuity, occultism in the history of the British aristocracy are consistent with what we know about the Illuminati. They are depraved yet somehow able to subvert mankind without serious resistance.
What a tawdry tale is modern history! Instead of grasping greatness within reach, the human race is paralyzed by the morbid spell of a Satanic cult, the Cabalist (Illuminati) bankers.
Hope and change was much more detailed than audit the fed...
The Federal Reserve was created in 1913, which is in the 20th century.
Please explain how it was able to fuck the world financial system in the century before it was created. Did it have a hot tub time machine?
you're right so was "ill close gitmo"That's a slogan, it doesn't describe policy.
stop the presses!!!!You say "audit" and itisme says "end".
which do you prefer?I've heard both myself.
my father always said"there are no stupid questions. just stupid people asking questions"Next question I have is do we audit first and then end or do we audit what we previously ended?
Them sending silver to China sux but that fact alone if far from proof our currency was worthless....
CNN Cancels March 1 Debate After Candidates Decline
By Sarah B. Boxer
Updated: February 21, 2012 | 4:35 p.m.
CNN canceled its March 1 Republican presidential debate on Thursday after three of four candidates declined to participate, citing busy campaign schedules leading to Super Tuesday on March 6.
"Mitt Romney and Ron Paul told the Georgia Republican Party, Ohio Republican Party, and CNN Thursday that they will not participate in the March 1 Republican presidential primary debate," CNN said in a statement. "Without full participation of all four candidates, CNN will not move forward with the Super Tuesday debate."
Former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum also said he would not participate, leaving only former House Speaker Newt Gingrich committed to attending.
Still scheduled is a Feb. 22 debate sponsored by CNN and the Arizona Republican Party in Mesa, Ariz. It will be moderated by CNN's John King.
Andrea Saul, a spokeswoman for former Massachusetts Gov. Romney, said, "With eight other states voting on March 6, we will be campaigning in other parts of the country and unable to schedule the CNN Georgia debate. We have participated in 20 debates, including eight from CNN."
Santorum "has no plans of doing it right now," spokesman Hogan Gidley said of the March 1 debate.
Gingrich, whose home state is Georgia, had planned to take part. "The Romney model is to go to Wall Street and raise huge amounts of money to run negative ads," he said. "And you can understand why having to defend that strategy is probably not something he's very happy with."
it was worthess because the west went off of the silver standard. The west fucked their system, and they just changed the system
We have done the same since Nixon Shock, we are winning, and you want to blow it up (which will fuck YOU).
Then it's a slogan. The most I've picked up is that Paul wants to end the sales tax on gold and silver transactions.
Here's what else I gather. "Voluntary" has been mentioned in association with "gold standard". So ending sales tax on gold transactions allows one to voluntarily gold plate their existence - free of sales tax.
That said, the monetary system is unchanged. "Gold standard" and tales of gloom and doom are more romantic than,
"I think you should carry more gold in your portfolio and I'll work to end the sales tax."
IMO, that's a little too bland for campaign donations.
Then that's not "end the fed" and thus another slogan. Who cares whether the fact "can be found" wherever? The guy's running for president for crying out loud. Name another candidate who predicates his stump with,
"My slogans are superficial and misleading, you have to seek my details - they're out and about."
Supporters appear to be aware of (some) of Paul's comments enough to clarify(?) the oversimplifications. Thanks for the effort and all but non-base voters will hear the slogan and change the channel. Republicans are famous for divide-and-conquer. Is this a new spin?
Taxes and treasury bond sales funded Vietnam.
When I teach money and banking, I begin the section on the history of the American monetary system by asking my students what the following dates in U.S. history have in common: 1812–1816, 1863, 1913, and 1971. The obvious answer is, “times of war or close to it.” (If you count the Great Depression as a metaphorical war in the eyes of politicians, you could add 1934–35 to the list.)
*The answer I am looking for, however, is, “times of increased federal government involvement in the monetary system.” That both answers are correct is no coincidence. For hundreds of years governments have intervened in monetary institutions in order to use them to raise revenue through the manipulation of money and credit, and most often that revenue has been used to make war.
War finance has long been the overt and covert rationale for an expansion of government’s role in the banking system. For classical liberals, exploring this historical relationship sheds light on the sources of both government control over money and the duplicity with which the state often heads to war. The connection illustrates that government intervention in money has no justification in the failures of free-market monetary systems, but rather grew out of the need for revenue. However, it also illustrates the ways in which government can mislead with respect to war by subverting the democratic process and using less-than-transparent means to finance wars, especially unpopular ones.
That classical liberals believe both that government should get out of the money-regulation business and stick to defending the territory of the United States from attack, rather than intervening in the domestic affairs of other nations, often strikes proponents of the “conventional wisdom” as odd. This sort of reaction has greeted Ron Paul’s presidential candidacy, which has argued for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq and for the gold standard. Most conservatives, of course, deride the former position, while the left (and some on the right) do the same to the latter. What few if any seem to realize is that these two positions have a deep and important historical connection: If you want to make it harder for the U.S. government to act like an imperial power, you need to find ways to reduce the resources available for it to do so. Preventing the state from creating money would eliminate its ability to manipulate the monetary system to raise funds surreptitiously for foreign adventurism.
Fighting wars requires resources. Governments have only four ways to raise revenue: sell off assets, borrow, tax, or inflate/manipulate the currency. If we assume that states interested in making war are also ones interested in accruing power, selling off assets is unlikely, at least as anything but a last resort.
Both borrowing and taxing have their limits. The most common strategy for financing wars is to sell war bonds. If governments go in this direction, they better have buyers, which assumes that the populace is in general agreement with the conduct of that war. War bonds are a hard sell for unpopular wars. For example, World War II bonds sold well as the public was convinced it was proper to respond to the direct attack by the Japanese and to attempt to stop the Nazis. However, you will look in vain for any Vietnam War bonds, nor have any Iraq War bonds been available since the 2003 invasion. When governments wish to conduct unpopular and often unjustifiable wars, engaging in borrowing tied directly to that purpose is unlikely to succeed.
Raising taxes to fight a war also requires at least some public agreement with the policy because tax-raising politicians may well be voted out if the war is unpopular. For politicians the downside of raising taxes (like the downside of using conscription to obtain soldiers rather than paying them market wages) is that it is an obvious and painful grab for resources by the state. Taxes make the costs of war very visible and spread them across the whole population. (Conscription is very visible, but more concentrated on the draftees.) From the standpoint of political actors, it would be preferable to raise the necessary resources in a way that is much less obvious and therefore has less potential for political conflict. Whenever politicians can disguise and/or delay the true costs of their programs, they will do so. This is where the monetary system enters the picture.
Governments that can either create money directly or use regulation to force banks to provide the resources will be able to conduct war more often and with less political resistance than those that cannot.
From 1791 to 1811, the federal government had partial ownership of the First Bank of the United States, which did not charter or regulate banks, but instead produced a limited amount of currency and served as the government’s bank. With the completion of the War of 1812, it became convenient for the federal government to have such a bank in operation again, and so the Second Bank of the United States was created in 1816 (lasting until 1836).
In 1863 the federal (Union) government for the first time offered charters for individual banks. With charters came regulations, one of which was the requirement that bank-issued currency be backed with U.S. government bonds. Whenever a federally chartered bank wanted to give its customers paper currency, it had to purchase such bonds, whose face value slightly exceeded the value of the currency, and then present them to the Comptroller of the Currency in Washington, who then printed the bank’s notes. Aside from the effect on war finance discussed below, this cumbersome process was the root of the periodic currency panics that struck the post-Civil War banking system and ultimately led to the Federal Reserve System as the “solution” in 1913.
Guaranteed Bond Market
The stated rationale for the bond-collateral requirement was that it provided safety in case the bank failed and could not redeem its notes in gold. However, Congress also knew that the requirement would, in theory, create a guaranteed market for U.S. government bonds, which in turn would enable the Union government to have revenue to pay for the Civil War. Interestingly, when the federal government first offered the charters, almost no banks signed up; they kept their state charters because the federal charters offered no advantages and some minor disadvantages. Not content to lose that way of financing the war, Congress quickly passed a 10 percent tax on the banknotes of state-chartered banks. This now made federal charters notably more advantageous, leading a significant number of banks to apply. By the end of the 1860s federally chartered banks were proliferating and the large market for the bonds had come to pass. Between the original bond-collateral requirements and punitive tax on the state-chartered banks, the federal government used its power over the monetary system to ensure a market for bonds to pay for the Civil War.
Although the Great Depression was itself not a war, it certainly took on many of the characteristics of one, as the Roosevelt administration attempted to pass legislation and programs that were of questionable constitutionality and popularity. Like many wartime activities, it is plausible to argue that the New Deal programs benefited business constituencies more than the public at large. (Halliburton’s role in the Iraq War provides a contemporary example of this sort of damaging corporate capitalism.) The administration’s outlawing of private gold holdings in 1934 and the Banking Act of 1935, which created a variety of new federal interventions—the most notable giving the Federal Reserve new powers to create money through bond purchases—were both examples of using the monetary system to provide resources for a growing state. These powers were certainly useful when the government took the country into World War II a few years later.
Vietnam Inflation
The Vietnam era provides an example of a direct connection between inflation of the money supply and war finance. The Johnson administration made a conscious decision to finance the Vietnam War through inflation rather than higher taxes. The increase in money was accomplished by buying up government bonds from financial institutions; as payment, the government simply credited the institutions’ accounts. This saved interest payments on those bonds and therefore also allowed the government to issue additional Treasury securities at the same total interest cost they had before the new money was created. The bottom line was that the Fed created additional money and allowed Congress to run more debt at no greater cost in the process.
At the time Federal Reserve Notes held by foreign central banks were still redeemable in gold at the Fed. As a result of the inflation (depreciating dollar) of the late 1960s, the Fed saw a massive flow back of Federal Reserve Notes from foreign governments, which began to reduce U.S. gold holdings. This drain of gold reserves led President Nixon to close the “gold window” in 1971, breaking the last remaining link between the dollar and gold. With excess supplies of money no longer generating any direct negative economic consequences for the Fed, the even-greater inflation and macroeconomic disorder that characterized the rest of the 1970s and ’80s were no surprise.
Thus the need to finance the Vietnam War led to increased government control over money, which led to macroeconomic disorder (much as we saw in the late nineteenth-century banking panics), which in turn led to calls for more government intervention. Aside from the direct problems of financing the warfare state, increased control of money by the state often sets off what Ludwig von Mises called the “interventionist dynamic,” in which one state intervention has negative unintended consequences that create the perceived need for more intervention. The business cycle is one example of this process.
One can tell similar histories about the creation of central banks and other forms of government monetary intervention in other countries across the globe. The need to fund war and empire has been behind the creation of many a central bank. It’s easier to pay for bombs and bullets if you have the equivalent of a printing press at your fingertips.
Because inflation’s costs are normally dispersed, subtle, and longer term, politicians find it a politically more palatable way to raise revenues, especially for unpopular causes. This point is even more important because politicians play up the very short-term benefits of inflation as if they were a panacea for a stalled economy. Persuading the public to accept those ephemeral and small short-term gains without an understanding of the long-term costs is part of the general deception often used to promote empire-building wars.
Before you lock step with accountings that purport only cons of a situation, compare it to the pros vs con to get a clearer perspective. If someone preselects your information, you may not be getting all of it.
... stop the presses!!!!
2 different people supporting the same candidate said different things!?!?!?
wholly shit what are they thinking?
which do you prefer?
my father always said"there are no stupid questions. just stupid people asking questions"
you can't audit what is ended.
Dr. Paul has introduced legislation to audit the fed.
that's the beautiful thing about the good doc. we have an actual record of what he has done or tried to do.
we don't have to wonder. just look to what he has done.
i realize that's odd for someone who supports the Jr. senator from presentville
How convenient. Im 90% sure Dr Paul pulled out first giving Romney an excuse to do the same.
God forbid you have to look for the in depth answers because they won't fit in the five second msm sound bites
You couldn't do it in weeks, it's not out there. Ron Paul is here, on the ground. He has no message that even approaches practical application of his slogans. During Obama's campaign, we got an image of what health care reform would look like, enough to get cries of "death panels" from the opposition.sadly yes many Americans are to lazy to spend an hour doing research on their presidential canidates
Learning is something you need to consider. Your article doesn't even mention treasury bond sales. We generate revenue two ways - taxes and US Treasury Bonds.Learn your history son.
Compared to Lew Rockwell, Rush Limbaugh is Walter Cronkite. Sorry, Walter.Lol this coming from the guy who gets all his talking points from Lawrence odonnel and rush.
They certainly are preselecting the info you receive.
You proven yourself nothing more than a poorly informed troll.
have fun debating with yourself you certainly are a master
The Vietnam era provides an example of a direct connection between inflation of the money supply and war finance. The Johnson administration made a conscious decision to finance the Vietnam War through inflation rather than higher taxes. The increase in money was accomplished by buying up government bonds from financial institutions; as payment, the government simply credited the institutions’ accounts. This saved interest payments on those bonds and therefore also allowed the government to issue additional Treasury securities at the same total interest cost they had before the new money was created. The bottom line was that the Fed created additional money and allowed Congress to run more debt at no greater cost in the process.
Here I isolated it for you.
Lew gives Ron the equivalent of two left hands. A mix of government conspiracy and global doom exercises the base and generates donations. When bizarro-world meets major media scrutiny such as Jake Tapper's truther inquiry, Paul angrily manipulates context toward something he supposedly didn't do. The implication is that Tapper's out of line.And I don't read lew Rockwell. Told you this before.