Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[zymos]

Kinda creepy coming from the party of personal responsibility.

It's your personal responsibility to stock up on Potassium Iodide pills, gas masks and asthma inhalers.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Yeah, you're right. No sense in blaming polluters for my cancer, just because their pollution was dumped in my water table.

 

[dagnabit]

Thank goodness the government is there to protect us from the evil corporations.

 

[zymos]

Thank goodness the government is there to protect us from the evil corporations.

As ineffective as those federal agencies may often be, do you honestly think you'd be MORE protected with no regulations other than the Free Market?

 

[itisme]

Believe it or not, it is possible to be both pro-EPA and antiwar.

PS- the FEMA death camp illuminati stuff just comes off like tinfoil hat wingnut ranting and is not helping your cause at all....

That is what G. Beck wanted to say..
Then he was going to air some FEMA info he said he couldn't debunk the "death camp" angle
Then he couldn't air it.
He was all ove the FED too.
Then he hit the road as he didn't like being MUZZLED like Judge N. will be with less than 1 minute on any subject they chose to let him in on!

Now Judge N. is on the way out...watch and see He was telling the truth.
NWO was referenced in a SPEECH WITH G. H. BUSH! Youtube. Ron Paul talks about it too. lluminati is part of the NWO. The top of it.

Bush NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIsNYk5umP8

Ron Paul: First Bush Was Working Towards New World Orderhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DpKKSmaa8

Ron Paul: Both Parties OWNED by Same Elite. Stop the renewal of the Patriot Act NOW (link fixed).flvhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKEObC_vfwo

 

[itisme]

Yeah, you're right. No sense in blaming polluters for my cancer, just because their pollution was dumped in my water table

That is a violation of Private Property Rights and you can sue. You would win in a just system, not this one.

ZYMOS, I agree and once was. I then saw many instacnces where they use the EPA to take people's property under UN AGENDA 21 or BILL 13575.
I also heard of all the Raw food attacks and I knew that BlackWater was already in on the DEA and POT BUSTS....
They are just trasplaninting all the pieces ocer seas on our land, air, and water. They have sold out our Constitution with NDAA, Patriot Act, DEA, DHS, FEMA and all these plans agaendas are pure evil!

I am aware that breaking news from me may not turn you but I only suggest you research some NWO and ILL. links for yourself.
I can't even begin to tell you the absolute crazyness that has happened in my life in just the last month that only reenfoced the most insane aspects further.
I know it seems crazy but, "All the world's a stage, And all the men and women merely players."

 

[gaiusmarius]

personal responsibility would mean that those causing the toxic water table would be the ones to pay the price. with no way to avoid responsibility by bribes and lobbying and fucked up regulation.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

That is a violation of Private Property Rights and you can sue. You would win in a just system, not this one.

Corporations buy and effectively remove that option.

Environmental group targets alleged pollution at Koch’s G-P mill in Arkansas

WASHINGTON, DC, March 16, 2011 - An Arkansas paper mill owned by Koch Industries pumps out massive amounts of pollution in violation of the Clean Water Act, according an enforcement complaint filed today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER) and the Ouachita Riverkeeper. The outflow from the plant fouls not only local water bodies but crosses the Louisiana border, staining a designated Natural and Scenic River.

The Georgia-Pacific mill in Crossett, Arkansas, is owned by Koch Industries, which is run by the Koch brothers--conservative activists who bankroll the Tea Party and other advocacy against government regulation. Many of their main targets have been environmental rules. Their plant has created horrendous conditions, including -

-Discharging 45 million gallons per day of paper-mill waste, including ammonia and chloride, and metals such as zinc, copper, and mercury. This toxic stew combines with the town of Crossett's sewage in Coffee Creek, the stream below the plant;

-Coffee Creek is covered with foam, scum and slime [see attached photos]. Besides the obvious impact on fish, a review by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) found effluent from the plant likely comes into contact with muskrat, beaver, turtles, ducks, turkey, deer as well as "other large mammals"; and

-From Coffee Creek, the effluent travels through Mossy Lake and to the Ouachita River just above the Louisiana state line. The discharge causes obnoxious color and nauseous odor conditions in the River (where it is a designated Natural and Scenic River).

Koch Industries has persuaded the State of Arkansas to issue the Georgia-Pacific mill a permit that in essence removes water quality standards for the creek, on the self-fulfilling grounds that it can never be restored to a biologically viable stream. Since the Coffee Creek pollution discharge permit contains few limits, it is almost impossible to violate--but Koch Industries has violated it nonetheless, the groups contend in their complaint.

"The Clean Water Act does not allow our streams to be turned into industrial sewers," stated PEER Field Director Barry Sulkin, the former Chief of Enforcement and Compliance for the Tennessee Division of Water Pollution Control. "No wonder the Kochs dislike strict federal regulation. They have covered Coffee Creek with so much foam it should be called Cappuccino Creek."

The groups' complaint was filed with the EPA Regional Administrator in Dallas invoking inherent federal authority to enforce the Clean Water Act. It demands that EPA immediately assume jurisdiction over the case to protect public health and the environment and to maintain the credibility of the national water quality program. If the EPA Region does not act, they may appeal to EPA's Assistant Administrator for Enforcement in Washington. At issue is whether Arkansas has fallen below federal minimum standards.

"This mess has long been interfering with what are supposed to be protected uses of public waterways and it is time for it to stop," said Cheryl Slavant of Ouachita Riverkeeper. "We keep hearing about EPA overreaching - well, this is a clear example of under-reaching. We need federal oversight when states surrender public waters to accommodate pollution."

 

[itisme]

Agenda 21 for lower living standards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEzbQotyu9k 3:50 Timestamp: TIN FOIL CAP!

THE LADY ON HERE IS A FORENSIC PROPERTY RIGHTS SPECIALIST! SUED AND WON!!!

The ineveiwer said she must have people think, "TINFOIL CAP" within a few minutes. If you listen to this lady and tell me she is crazy then are one of the people in the room that apply the DELPHI TECHNIQUE, a sheep, or just a few short yourself! PLEASE VIEW and knw that we need out of the UN, NATO, NAM, WTO, FED, IMF, and all the other BS

That is why they lie about RON PAUL! He would be a 145 lb monkey wrench in the plans!

Corporations buy and effectively remove that option\

That would be incorrect sir but Ron Paul does want to stregnthen private property rights. They can't violate your land becuse they have land and they own. They violate your land because they own many courts and even the Supreme Crt. Your state can enhance property rights of all citizens while the EPA takes them away. RP aknowledges property rights should be enhanced.

The EPA is just like the FDA, they are beuracratic loopholes that only the connected can get through or at least survive throught. IF the EPA or FDA approved it your legal course of action if pretty much shot in the LEGAL FACE as they GUBBYNATI will let them trump your property rights....even on what your body produces or what you put into it!!!!

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

personal responsibility would mean that those causing the toxic water table would be the ones to pay the price.

And where does this actually happen?

 

[SacredBreh]

We would still have State Governments...... People act like Ron Paul is talking Anarchy. It is called a Republic because the powers of the government are limited by the people, not by a majority vote but by a set of Standards laid out in the Bill of Rights and Constitution. Democracy only means a different kind of oppression 51% over 49% without the frame work and protection of The Bill of Rights and Constitution. That is why a law can be deemed UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

We can argue all day about the "what ifs" of local government but that is what the country was founded on. My opinion is that I can effect change at the local level and observe at the local level way better than the giant, bloated monstrosity called the Federal Government's level..... IF...... The playing field were leveled and the government was not bought and corporations protected by those they bought.

As Gaiusmarius--[QUOTE]complex regulations written up by the industries it's supposed to regulate and watched over by a revolving door system of moving ceo's back and forth between the industry and the agency supposed to watch over it[/QUOTE] Oversite one day and CEO the next--Newt.

We know what happens the way it is now.... I want to try a different way.

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results--Albert Einstein.

Peace

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You know states can't arbitrate between themselves.

Interesting reference, Einstein. We not only tried that and failed, we know why it doesn't work. And you want to go back to it.

We don't "what if" AOC consequences, we lived it. That article I posted about Koch buying off Arkansas ain't "what if".

Nice try though. Just kidding about the nice part.


I get it. Ron Paul says, "get off my back". The thing he doesn't say is in many cases, states wont have your back. So all that suing in court doesn't happen because a handful of rich folks have em all tied up, the part that functions that is. The rest of it... interstate arbitration might as well wear a red suit and slide down the chimney. Interstate arbitration doesn't exist.

 

[dagnabit]

James Madison from Federalist 39, describes the change this way:
The constitutional reallocation of powers created a new form of government, unprecedented under the sun. Every previous national authority either had been centralized or else had been a confederation of sovereign states. The new American system was neither one nor the other; it was a mixture of both.

your continued spin on the AOC and the purpose of the annapolis convention is laughable.

 

[mrcreosote]

What we need is a few hundred thousand more Federal employees with juicy pensions to straighten everything out. Move all that paper from one pile to the other.

We can just borrow some more money to pay em.

If that don't get us to the promised land of milk and honey...

Then we'll hire more.

 

[dagnabit]

maybe we can all have nice feddy jobs?

 

[greenmatter]

i don't think the government should protect us any more than a referee in a boxing match really "protects" a fighter. they are there to say you can do this, and you cant do that, and they keep it fair.

what we have going on now is some fly weight kid off the street (you and me) up against the most brutal heavy weight the world has ever seen (big money).

the referee (our government) has not only told the champ that low blows are o.k., he is making the fly weight get in the ring without any gear on and is laughing hysterically while the champ holds him in the corner and pounds his junk into mush. just knocking him out is not enough

the game is rigged in a fucked up way.

i don't want protection, i just want a fair fight ............. and if the ref was really even watching any of this plenty of the big guns would be disqualified, stripped of their titles and never allowed back in the ring.

but they bought the ring and the ref and the judges and the venue a while ago, so going the distance with these sadistic fucks is only a fluke ........ and you can bet your ass it won't be televised, cause they own that shit too

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

your continued spin on the AOC and the purpose of the annapolis convention is laughable.

HELLO... I made no reference to Annapolis convention.

You don't point out the spin. Your clip has nothing to do with states inability to arbitrate between themselves. You refute opinions but none of your elements tie together.

Since my comments revolve around states not having interstate arbitrating power, point out how your clip refutes it or demonstrates spin on my part. The fact is you can't. Your reference doesn't even address interstate arbitration. It's just a clip with no correlation to so-called spin.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

What we need is a few hundred thousand more Federal employees with juicy pensions to straighten everything out. Move all that paper from one pile to the other.

We can just borrow some more money to pay em.

If that don't get us to the promised land of milk and honey...

Then we'll hire more.

Is that what you have to convince yourself when the guy with the solutions actually has nothing but a giant wrecking ball?

 

[dagnabit]

HELLO... I made no reference to Annapolis convention.

You don't point out the spin. Your clip has nothing to do with states inability to arbitrate between themselves. You refute opinions but none of your elements tie together.

Since my comments revolve around states not having interstate arbitrating power, point out how your clip refutes it or demonstrates spin on my part. The fact is you can't. Your reference doesn't even address interstate arbitration. It's just a clip with no correlation to so-called spin.

sorry.
thought you had a working knowledge of the AOC and how/why they came about....
i see now i was mistaken.
carry on.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

You've got to be kidding?

What's the spin? How does your clip correlate to my comments and the idea I'm spinning?