Ron Paul 2012!!! Your thoughts on who we should pick for our "Cause"?

[itisme]

Oh, I am sure it is just preparation for say deployment in an Iranian city with skyscrapers, parks, and sports stadiums.Just watch the

The video they are talking about how the military loves to use "as close of a terrain as possible." They do it in NY, Miami, LA....and that is supposed to make me relax....Now the local police are getting WEAPONIZED DRONES!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BptGsIvEOII

 

[trichrider]

ya mean something like this?

(Newser) – The US military's largest conventional bomb is the 30,000-pound "bunker buster," or Massive Ordinance Penetrator, designed to take out fortified nuclear facilities in Iran or North Korea. Now, the Pentagon has decided it's not big enough, and is asking for $82 million to make the bomb penetrate deeper into concrete, rock, and steel, reports the Wall Street Journal. "We're still trying to develop them," defense chief Leon Panetta told the newspaper. "I think we're pretty close."

President Obama has said he "is determined to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon," and while his administration prefers diplomatic approaches, the president has asked the Pentagon for more options. The military has spent about $330 million so far developing 20 MOPs, and the new money is designed to make them even better. "The development of this weapon is not intended to send a signal to any one particular country," said the Pentagon press secretary. "It's a capability we believe we need in our arsenal and will continue to invest in it." Click to read how the Pentagon is working on a "mothership" for the Gulf, too.
http://www.newser.com/story/138487/...rce=part&utm_medium=inbox&utm_campaign=newser

 

[itisme]

They are going to cause an earthquake!

 

[MadBuddhaAbuser]

An excerpt from a book entitled "they thought they were free " a discussion of what it was like being inside of the makings of an insane dictatorship.

But Then It Was Too Late

"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could understand it, it could not be released because of national security. And their sense of identification with Hitler, their trust in him, made it easier to widen this gap and reassured those who would otherwise have worried about it.

"This separation of government from people, this widening of the gap, took place so gradually and so insensibly, each step disguised (perhaps not even intentionally) as a temporary emergency measure or associated with true patriotic allegiance or with real social purposes. And all the crises and reforms (real reforms, too) so occupied the people that they did not see the slow motion underneath, of the whole process of government growing remoter and remoter.

"You will understand me when I say that my Middle High German was my life. It was all I cared about. I was a scholar, a specialist. Then, suddenly, I was plunged into all the new activity, as the university was drawn into the new situation; meetings, conferences, interviews, ceremonies, and, above all, papers to be filled out, reports, bibliographies, lists, questionnaires. And on top of that were the demands in the community, the things in which one had to, was ‘expected to’ participate that had not been there or had not been important before. It was all rigmarole, of course, but it consumed all one’s energies, coming on top of the work one really wanted to do. You can see how easy it was, then, not to think about fundamental things. One had no time."

"Those," I said, "are the words of my friend the baker. ‘One had no time to think. There was so much going on.’"

"Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"How is this to be avoided, among ordinary men, even highly educated ordinary men? Frankly, I do not know. I do not see, even now. Many, many times since it all happened I have pondered that pair of great maxims, Principiis obsta and Finem respice—‘Resist the beginnings’ and ‘Consider the end.’ But one must foresee the end in order to resist, or even see, the beginnings. One must foresee the end clearly and certainly and how is this to be done, by ordinary men or even by extraordinary men? Things might have. And everyone counts on that might.

"Your ‘little men,’ your Nazi friends, were not against National Socialism in principle. Men like me, who were, are the greater offenders, not because we knew better (that would be too much to say) but because we sensed better. Pastor Niemöller spoke for the thousands and thousands of men like me when he spoke (too modestly of himself) and said that, when the Nazis attacked the Communists, he was a little uneasy, but, after all, he was not a Communist, and so he did nothing; and then they attacked the Socialists, and he was a little uneasier, but, still, he was not a Socialist, and he did nothing; and then the schools, the press, the Jews, and so on, and he was always uneasier, but still he did nothing. And then they attacked the Church, and he was a Churchman, and he did something—but then it was too late."

"Yes," I said.

"You see," my colleague went on, "one doesn’t see exactly where or how to move. Believe me, this is true. Each act, each occasion, is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join with you in resisting somehow. You don’t want to act, or even talk, alone; you don’t want to ‘go out of your way to make trouble.’ Why not?—Well, you are not in the habit of doing it. And it is not just fear, fear of standing alone, that restrains you; it is also genuine uncertainty.

"Uncertainty is a very important factor, and, instead of decreasing as time goes on, it grows. Outside, in the streets, in the general community, ‘everyone’ is happy. One hears no protest, and certainly sees none. You know, in France or Italy there would be slogans against the government painted on walls and fences; in Germany, outside the great cities, perhaps, there is not even this. In the university community, in your own community, you speak privately to your colleagues, some of whom certainly feel as you do; but what do they say? They say, ‘It’s not so bad’ or ‘You’re seeing things’ or ‘You’re an alarmist.’

"And you are an alarmist. You are saying that this must lead to this, and you can’t prove it. These are the beginnings, yes; but how do you know for sure when you don’t know the end, and how do you know, or even surmise, the end? On the one hand, your enemies, the law, the regime, the Party, intimidate you. On the other, your colleagues pooh-pooh you as pessimistic or even neurotic. You are left with your close friends, who are, naturally, people who have always thought as you have.

"But your friends are fewer now. Some have drifted off somewhere or submerged themselves in their work. You no longer see as many as you did at meetings or gatherings. Informal groups become smaller; attendance drops off in little organizations, and the organizations themselves wither. Now, in small gatherings of your oldest friends, you feel that you are talking to yourselves, that you are isolated from the reality of things. This weakens your confidence still further and serves as a further deterrent to—to what? It is clearer all the time that, if you are going to do anything, you must make an occasion to do it, and then you are obviously a troublemaker. So you wait, and you wait.

"But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

"You have gone almost all the way yourself. Life is a continuing process, a flow, not a succession of acts and events at all. It has flowed to a new level, carrying you with it, without any effort on your part. On this new level you live, you have been living more comfortably every day, with new morals, new principles. You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things that your father, even in Germany, could not have imagined.

"Suddenly it all comes down, all at once. You see what you are, what you have done, or, more accurately, what you haven’t done (for that was all that was required of most of us: that we do nothing). You remember those early meetings of your department in the university when, if one had stood, others would have stood, perhaps, but no one stood. A small matter, a matter of hiring this man or that, and you hired this one rather than that. You remember everything now, and your heart breaks. Too late. You are compromised beyond repair.

 

[bentom187]

check this out

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Anybody venture a guess at the percentage of rebellion supporters? (US)

 

[itisme]

42%

 

[dagnabit]

Anybody venture a guess at the percentage of rebellion supporters? (US)

how many even know what it really means?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

42%

I wonder how many of that 42% expect their representatives to be doves in international affairs.

 

[dagnabit]

how many of that 42 expects to have cable tv,internet,4g,electricity and keep their jobs,401k and insurance through the "revolution"

americans have no clue what they advocate most of the time.

 

[canon]

Anybody venture a guess at the percentage of rebellion supporters? (US)

Depends on what is meant be rebellion.
Pick & choose the laws they want to go with,,, or moderate non-violent force.. 90% (and feel that's conservative in the strictest sense).

Ready for use of moderate violent force, probably around 25%

Ready for all out violent revolution like in 1776,,, about 10%

However,, I'm feeling these numbers are climbing rapidly. That's why Obama is doing his doings for the 1%.

Big question,,, how many feel ashamed of their country the way it is now with it's own people and actions it takes on the rest of the world?
Those are the ones that will start swinging more towards revolutionary mind sets.

Very disapointed with the Newt & Mitt suporters. Essentially they are saying they like the way things are and want more of the same.

 

[trichrider]

might as well pack it up.

 

[canon]

WTF? Is this real?

http://glossynews.com/society/healt...-to-be-grown-in-white-house-garden-this-year/

I can see Newt / Mitt scoping that out when / if they get into office. LOL (Although I know they'll only get in for a visit by invitation only perhaps.)

Perhap RP would use it as a hedge along the fence line? (Oh, Yeah!)

 

[dagnabit]

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[BiG H3rB Tr3E]

The news medias can deny paul all they like. But to this day. This FUCKING DAY i havent seen a SINGLE not ONE sign, bumper sticker, shirt, hat, flag or ANYTHING for ANY OTHER candidate besides ron paul and barack obama. but for every obama supporter i see 10+ paul supporters. And im not just talking at a college campus or anything like that. I see people from all age all races support paul. Last night i was at the grocery store and I met some old lady that hada shirt that said "I hunt gang members" and a hat that said "END FASCISM - VOTE RON PAUL 2012". we got to talk and turns out this 93 year old lady carrys a loaded colt 1911 at ALL TIMES. and shes a die hard american constitutionist who is in FULL support of ron paul. one of the coolest fucking ladies i ever met. reminded me alot of my grandmoms.

RON PAUL 2012. every other politician is a joke in comparison to this american patriot presidential candidate

 

[SpasticGramps]

Now that's my kind of granny!



If Mittens or Newt is the candidate to face O then there will be a massive wave of disenfranchisement and disillusionment with the failed American political system. It will be a joke to many many Americans as it already is to many people from outside of the States.

If a large minority of Americans lose faith in the American political system then the streets become the only avenue for seeking justice.

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Is it true that if somebody steps in your yard in Texas you can shoot em?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

... If Mittens or Newt is the candidate to face O then there will be a massive wave of disenfranchisement and disillusionment with the failed American political system.

Failed system is when belligerents intimidate election officials for doing their jobs, a state attorney general denying her recount and SCOTUS selecting it's loser-winner.

It will be a joke to many many Americans as it already is to many people from outside of the States.

You mean anything but a Paul outcome = rigged?

If a large minority of Americans lose faith in the American political system then the streets become the only avenue for seeking justice.

IMO, this is why the Tea Party will fail. It's one thing to fight hard for one's beliefs. Trying to take it w/o a mandate isn't exactly democratic and turns off the center, not to mention the left.

IMO, the most destructive thing in American governance is private money. Second is non-compromise. Ron Paul will have to compromise at least internationally or trade wars could beget real wars.

 

[SpasticGramps]

You mean anything but a Paul outcome = rigged?

Anything but Paul perpetuates the illusion of choice IMO. Not rigged, but it will bring more of the same (war and debt) while the electorate expects a different outcome. I believe that's called insane.

IMO, the most destructive thing in American governance is private money. Second is non-compromise. Ron Paul will have to compromise at least internationally or trade wars could beget real wars.

Paul is for free trade. Not isolationism. He wants to trade with Cuba. He's against military conquest and economic warfare. That's not trade isolationism nor protectionism. Entangling alliances always lead to war anyway. You can conduct free trade and not be in entangling alliances with other countries.

Besides before trade wars come the currency wars in which everyone is fully engaged led by US debasement. The EU and US are in a trade war with with Iran already. The cycle is already well in place. If we don't have a non-interventionist in the White House there will be more war more debt and more misery for everyone.

These are principles I would not comprise on.

 

[SpasticGramps]

Is it true that if somebody steps in your yard in Texas you can shoot em?

You can if you have reasonable cause to be threatened.

I believe it's called the Castle Doctrine. Texas is lenient about protecting private property with force.

If you put up a NO TRESPASSING SIGN there is a lot more leeway.