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Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread
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isn't it normal for all herb plants started from seed, to start with opposite, and as the sexually mature go to alternate?
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I believe so, although not a rule I have a Bubba hybrid which shoots out branches one side per node , very viney plant, but I have not seen this in purê sativa
HI Sativa lovers. Here's my Panama x Mextiza / Deep Chunk, feeded with red guano tea and delta 9 (each 10 days alterning with water between), smelling fruity, citrucy, spicy and geting fat each day, I chunked all them with Panama x Mex/DC pollen some low flowers 
-garden panoramic (pxmex/dc bottom left)
-Panama x Mextiza / Deep Chunk flower 1
-Panama x Mextiza / Deep Chunk flower 1
-garden panoramic (pxmex/dc bottom left)
-Panama x Mextiza / Deep Chunk flower 1
-Panama x Mextiza / Deep Chunk flower 1
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You might be right Randy, is this what you observed with your old Colombian Gold grows? I'm finding it hard to to get any pictorial evidence to confirm your proposition. On the other hand here's a sexually mature Colombian with opposite branching..
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And a couple of young Thais with alternate...
I have observed that clones of opposite branching plants become alternate branchers. Maybe topping has a similar effect...Of course I'm trying to prove my theory not yours hehe...
My contribution to discussion on alternated branches. This is my Sweet Tai at the beginning of flowering with this characteristic:
This is unique sativa with this character that I've ever growth!
And this is a lateral bud from my Lesotho x Skunk/Haze after 72 days of flowering:
This is unique sativa with this character that I've ever growth!
And this is a lateral bud from my Lesotho x Skunk/Haze after 72 days of flowering:
Skinny colombian of the previous generation (4th) grown under a skylight.
These plants show opposite branching until they arrive sexual maturity...then they show alternate branches.
Cannabis is not native to Colombia...anyways lol
PS: according to Clarke, meandering grow of the stalks is a characterictic of Thai strains...iirc
These plants show opposite branching until they arrive sexual maturity...then they show alternate branches.
Cannabis is not native to Colombia...anyways lol
PS: according to Clarke, meandering grow of the stalks is a characterictic of Thai strains...iirc
what process did you use to get them to mature that far north?
greenhouse, skylight, etc.?
greenhouse, skylight, etc.?
R
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Thats what I always thought, opposite branching for the early stages of life, and alternate begins when sexually mature. The Panama I have in flower right now is just like the plant pictured as far as opposite branching during flower, maybe its a south american trait.
Just to stir things up, I've noticed that Peru tends to have alternate branching early on.
Maybe the start of alternate branching depends not only on the strain and sexual maturity of the plant, but also on the photoperiod. Alternate branching is a sort of a "stretch", so it's reasonable to be triggered when day length is falling, but is still not short enough to trigger flowering.
I haven't seen a single mature plant (be it sativa or indica) that doesn't switch to alternate branching outdoors, in August at the latest. Indoors, with the generally smaller (immature) plants and sudden switch from 18/6 to 12/12, it seems alternating branching is not so expressed or is triggered together with flowering and is seen only on the tops, in buds.
I haven't seen a single mature plant (be it sativa or indica) that doesn't switch to alternate branching outdoors, in August at the latest. Indoors, with the generally smaller (immature) plants and sudden switch from 18/6 to 12/12, it seems alternating branching is not so expressed or is triggered together with flowering and is seen only on the tops, in buds.
i have noticed my zamalxhaze cross some females do both the 'alternate branching' and 'opposite branching'
some will stay solid locked in 'opposite' slowly drift out into 'alternate' and then at the end of flower back to 'opposite'
some stay entirely opposite, others entirely 'alternate'
the only thing i have noticed is that it relates to 'topping behavior' and the longer flowering onces stayed locked in 'opposite' far longer.
some of them, when topped, would make the following dozen or so nodes stay opposite
some will stay solid locked in 'opposite' slowly drift out into 'alternate' and then at the end of flower back to 'opposite'
some stay entirely opposite, others entirely 'alternate'
the only thing i have noticed is that it relates to 'topping behavior' and the longer flowering onces stayed locked in 'opposite' far longer.
some of them, when topped, would make the following dozen or so nodes stay opposite
This was a Columbian/South American bagseed, that came from some brick, that we put outdoors for shoots and skittles. It came out pretty nice. It did have opposite nodes until it got to the top cola and branch tips. Then it alternated nodes. Tasted peppery.
What Ive noticed personally, is that the nodes will usually stagger when a plant is sexually mature, as mentioned by op's above. It could be different with some genetics.
Im growing seed plants of GrapeApe x OGKush and I have 1 that hasnt alternated the nodes, and has opposites at wk 3 of flower. The other phenos do have alternating nodes. I flipped them at wk 5 of veg so it was cutting it close.
What Ive noticed personally, is that the nodes will usually stagger when a plant is sexually mature, as mentioned by op's above. It could be different with some genetics.
Im growing seed plants of GrapeApe x OGKush and I have 1 that hasnt alternated the nodes, and has opposites at wk 3 of flower. The other phenos do have alternating nodes. I flipped them at wk 5 of veg so it was cutting it close.
Greetings,
You all just got saved, due to a logon time out, from a long winded diatribe about the alternate vs. opposite discussion. I spent an hour writing it, then lost it. My sleep schedule is wiped due to a stomach flu. I woke up early and could not fall back asleep.
Summary:
Genetic and environmental influence across a spectrum of expressions.
Correlates to an Indica/Sativa spectrum of traits.
Digression from main topic:
Early American Ganja (Sativa) Culture (S.E. Asian sailing/trade routes to Mexico and Jamaica) + European Hash Culture (proximity to Middle East) + Circumstance (law enforcement eradication pressure on growing regions and smuggler routes, BOEL)= Modified and/or introduced Colombian Strains. Mostly Sativa with slight Indica influence, at least at first. Now changing more due to changed market tastes in wealthy U.S.. See below.
Insert diatribe here about next wave of Indica influence due to U.S. homegrown movement in predominately temperate environment resulting changing market tastes. Why in California where Sativa dominate strains can be grown? Answer: growing for money due to high price of illegality.
Solution: Vote to decriminalize.
Lucky for you, but you cannot escape completely.
ThaiBliss
You all just got saved, due to a logon time out, from a long winded diatribe about the alternate vs. opposite discussion. I spent an hour writing it, then lost it. My sleep schedule is wiped due to a stomach flu. I woke up early and could not fall back asleep.
Summary:
Genetic and environmental influence across a spectrum of expressions.
Correlates to an Indica/Sativa spectrum of traits.
Digression from main topic:
Early American Ganja (Sativa) Culture (S.E. Asian sailing/trade routes to Mexico and Jamaica) + European Hash Culture (proximity to Middle East) + Circumstance (law enforcement eradication pressure on growing regions and smuggler routes, BOEL)= Modified and/or introduced Colombian Strains. Mostly Sativa with slight Indica influence, at least at first. Now changing more due to changed market tastes in wealthy U.S.. See below.
Insert diatribe here about next wave of Indica influence due to U.S. homegrown movement in predominately temperate environment resulting changing market tastes. Why in California where Sativa dominate strains can be grown? Answer: growing for money due to high price of illegality.
Solution: Vote to decriminalize.
Lucky for you, but you cannot escape completely.
ThaiBliss
Very interesting.
I was not questioning you BushWeed as much as myself. You provided photo evidence with that Colombian in full flower. I was questioning my assumption.
Maybe the indoor/outdoor has something to do with it.
My growing history short version:
1967-1970- indoor grower, plant in bathroom, "I have all these great seeds but how do those Mexican ganja farmers get this plant to make those colas?"
1970-1993- outdoors, "So it's night length!"
1993-2001- outdoors/learning closet indoors - "Wow living in California and having all these proven cuts is great!"
2001- present- indoor mostly -"I've seen this plant do some crazy stuff, never underestimate the powers of this plant. You never stop learning because you'll never see everything."
The one thing I learned for sure through all this learning and relearning. "It's all good, just different"
Oh, and "What a lonnnnng strange trip it's been"
I was not questioning you BushWeed as much as myself. You provided photo evidence with that Colombian in full flower. I was questioning my assumption.
Maybe the indoor/outdoor has something to do with it.
My growing history short version:
1967-1970- indoor grower, plant in bathroom, "I have all these great seeds but how do those Mexican ganja farmers get this plant to make those colas?"
1970-1993- outdoors, "So it's night length!"
1993-2001- outdoors/learning closet indoors - "Wow living in California and having all these proven cuts is great!"
2001- present- indoor mostly -"I've seen this plant do some crazy stuff, never underestimate the powers of this plant. You never stop learning because you'll never see everything."
The one thing I learned for sure through all this learning and relearning. "It's all good, just different"
Oh, and "What a lonnnnng strange trip it's been"
Thanks for your observations guys. That about sums it up for me Madjag hehe. Lovely Colombian Raco. Hey Randy no offense taken at all bro. If you hadn't questioned the proposition I might have looked no further. Well I went and checked out a Mangobiche I have in the forest - this female bisected at the 4th or 5th internode into two main stems.One of the stems showed predominantly opposite branching and the other alternate.
I'll leave you with some blue sky Thais since I know it's been a cold winter in parts of the North....
I'll leave you with some blue sky Thais since I know it's been a cold winter in parts of the North....
Blue sky Thai.....a nice strain name.
Unlike our cousins in the northwest, midwest, southeast, and east, here in the beautiful Southwest it has been abnormally warm. The period from December to mid-February in Tucson, Arizona was the warmest on record, an average of 59 degrees F. We need rain despearately, just like Cali, however we're more acclimatized to drought conditions and have lived with scarce water historically so it's not so difficult to deal with it.
Unlike our cousins in the northwest, midwest, southeast, and east, here in the beautiful Southwest it has been abnormally warm. The period from December to mid-February in Tucson, Arizona was the warmest on record, an average of 59 degrees F. We need rain despearately, just like Cali, however we're more acclimatized to drought conditions and have lived with scarce water historically so it's not so difficult to deal with it.
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