Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[motaco]

For the record when my friends room mate knew that guy doing runs it was '03.

Frankies....Uptown Haze...the Piff....the Church....its from Florida, originally brought from Haiti/Domenican Republic. Apparently its from seeds of plants that have been grown there for generations. It's a 12 to 14 week flower and has that distinct dank church, dead flowers in dank vase water smell. It's fuckin divine...


The actual Piff was grown in the industrial parts of the Bronx, hence the name Uptown Haze.

Imposters are grown elsewhere and shipped in and these days to get the real Piff you really gotta know some people...if it even exists anymore.

In my opinion I think you have it backwards. The real deal is shipped in and always was. The imposters are grown probably from bagseeds the same way the first diesel knockoffs were (remember somas nycd?) in smaller grows scattered around new york.

Not the other way around. Its not Florida shipping in imposter haze and the real is grown in NY. Ny has the knock off haze and the cubans are shipping in the real haze. And yes it still exists and in quite large quantities. All over miami.

just MHO. I think the whole "new york" haze is just new yorkers wanting it to be a local strain when it isn't and never was.

 

[CalcioErba2004]

For the record when my friends room mate knew that guy doing runs it was '03.



In my opinion I think you have it backwards. The real deal is shipped in and always was. The imposters are grown probably from bagseeds the same way the first diesel knockoffs were (remember somas nycd?) in smaller grows scattered around new york.

Not the other way around. Its not Florida shipping in imposter haze and the real is grown in NY. Ny has the knock off haze and the cubans are shipping in the real haze. And yes it still exists and in quite large quantities. All over miami.

just MHO. I think the whole "new york" haze is just new yorkers wanting it to be a local strain when it isn't and never was.

I never thought of it that way...that makes a little more sense considering the Haitian and Domenican population in FL is much higher.

 

[motaco]

Well it isn't so much the population as the amount of grows it takes. Quite frankly you can't grow enough pot to have literally hundreds of pounds of dried ready for sale dank weed available every week without making a splash. Making some noise. People learning who you are.

Those cubans are making lots of noise. It is no secret. That is why I posted up several newspaper articles about it. That isn't opinion as big herb stated those are facts. Busted grow houses and people in jail. It takes not one or two warehouse grows but literally dozens of warehouse grows to create that amount of haze weed. Not to mention it is one type of weed. Haze. Several different varieties of it but it is all haze. That is organized.

If New York were actually growing that much weed locally then there would be huge haze grow houses busted all the time locally. That happens in FL, but it isn't happening in NY.

The one last point I wanted to make is how they grow it. It is almost always large perpetual harvest SOG grows. They let a plant finish and then they replace it with the new clone when it finishes rooting. The sativa is harvested at a minimum of 90 days but as much as 120.

These aren't professional growers, they are illegal aliens. About as novice at indoor growing as you can get. They don't have the dates for hundreds of plants worked out to perfection. They put up lights and jam as many SOG plants under it as they can. When a plant starts looking done then they clip a new clone and wait for it to root before harvesting the finished plant. Its not a set harvest date like every plant being harvested on day 55 like on a typical commercial grow. The plants flower anywhere for 3-4 months.

The difference in both high, and smell, and dried appearance is huge between a plant harvested on day 90 vs the same clone taken on day 120. So there is a good bit of variance between individual buds within a pound of the weed. Each SOG plant only yields a small amount and they might all have a different harvest date, and be cured for a different period of time before someone came to pick it up.

You can't as a buyer on the street level judge from gram to gram why the cuban haze looks like it does. In the same ounce bag you might have buds that were harvested on day 116 and cured for two months and buds that were harvested on day 88 and cured for two weeks.

It is just part of the crazy way that they grow.

 

[mahatmaganja27]

Northern Lights / Shiva / Afghani (f) x Pahari Farmhouse (m)

Northern Lights / Shiva / Afghani (f) x Pahari Farmhouse (m)

Theses are fully seeded planted in january , looks indica in veg and super sativa in flower. Tons of stretch. Thanks to the warm winter i got thousands of seeds and a ton of bud. Not bad for a spring crop in the usa

 

[mahatmaganja27]

The tallest is about 6 ft. They are all very sugary , they are impregnated by anorthern lights / shiva x OG KUSH purple pheno male

 

[mahatmaganja27]

Pakistan Chitral Kush X Pahari Farmhouse ( m )

Pakistan Chitral Kush X Pahari Farmhouse ( m )

Got two of these. Cant tell they are half indica. Very much like the father strain these are fully seeded with a Northern Lights X OG Kush purple pheno male.tallest is about 5 feet gruown from seed plan ted in january

 

[sir alex]

with in the week i'll post a few pics of a stunner she goes 17 wks and is a winner

 

[motaco]

Theses are fully seeded planted in january , looks indica in veg and super sativa in flower. Tons of stretch. Thanks to the warm winter i got thousands of seeds and a ton of bud. Not bad for a spring crop in the usa

That is a spring crop? you mean you planted in january and are harvesting now? very neat

 

[mahatmaganja27]

That is a spring crop? you mean you planted in january and are harvesting now? very neat

Yes a spring crop. Planted seeds on january 1st . Most cannabis is very cold hardy when young . The pahari farmhouse can take25 degree weather and passes these traits as well as extremely fast large growth when i harvest my spring crop ill plant some shit for my main crop. I also get another crop in the winter.its all about those geneticd

 

[bigherb]

motaco

sorry if you are offended, I am a bit argumentative but I don't mean anything by it

Well I see we couldnt have a discussion in person if this is how you continue to speak . If you recognize you are argumentive why not try an change it or not converse when feelin soo .Why say sorry if you still speak like this below

and truth be told, I think you are kidding yourself too. You have no good reason to think NYC haze isn't the cuban haze. Or if you do have a good reason it hasn't been made clear to me. Even if there are guys growing "ny haze" in the city what makes you think it isn't bagseed from cuban haze?

Maybe if you would have quoted it you would recall . The Santa Cruz Haze was distrubuted from 3 brothers from Jersey Clear as day. They brought Large amounts back home For many years .This is what i believe to be atleast part of the Genetics of Frankies Aka the Best NYC Haze .

You gotta understand to me an any NYer who grew up smoking Haze you sound Kinda Crazy because you the more you say the more it can be taken to swade my Thoughts .

By the way that number exploded since around '06

I have no doubt that haze existed in NYC well earlier than mid '00s, but certainly the popularity of it had a MASSIVE explosion after the cartoon network and a few other major busts

The head cat in heights Bust was in 05/06 ,Soo you are again wrong . Popular to who the Net , out of towners ,You .It became Cooool or popular as you say when Dipset started talkin about piff .Which i consider the term lame an used by youngin's


you sound like the news ,You sound like another cat who told me Haze became popular after Nevil .Come On it how you look at it ,Depending on whose window you look threw .Haze was very popular in the 70's an even Reported in the HT mag in the 80's .The 3 Haze brothers Took major amount back to the Tri state in the 70's .Soo Nevil made it popular in the 90's when it was around for 20 years already

Maybe the expolsion of Piff aka inferior Haze is when the Cubans starting sending it to NYC . You see around the time you think it became popular because you only heard about NYC purple Haze Bust in the News ,Was a few years after it became more rare to find the High end Haze .90's was Golden Era

Well mainly because large scale smuggling runs didn't start happening until the early '00s, but also because it isn't grown in new york it is grown in florida

Soo your contradicting yourself ,if the large runs started in early 00's
an we have had Haze for many years before that ,than what was the Haze source before , NY area ?

Exactlky like i said when the quality started to Drop is when the large runs as you say started ,Soo that could be because Blacks anint Franks or Oldschool Uptowns

nobody has ever claimed to know the genetic heritage of it and neither do you

You talk slick mann

whats your point ,All ive done is Give my opinion on the possibilites

That in new york there are massive grow syndicates operating completely undercover and moving hundreds of pounds a week of haze

If you believe there anint Large Grows in NY area your High on somthin else .I forgot you watch the news ,soo if you Dont see it on there it didnt happen .Well alot of shit that happens in NY dont make the news its all POLITICS .

How about Upstate there are elder cats who have been in the game long ago .Do you think the Tri State dont grow weight

All of you New Yorkers can't be getting the "real deal" nyc haze. Some of you have to be smoking cuban haze and calling it nyc haze. The thing is, none of them admit they are the one being fooled

An thats True most Ny cats who call Haze piff Dont know about the Real Haze .Most who started smokin after 02 Dont know .
You spoke of silvers an said ther are other Haze varieties being grown .But you also say Cuban Haze is NYC haze like it is one line .Far very Far from it ,Now i know the difference of the same strain being grown from a different grower but ill tell you ive seen soo many different hazes threw the years not 20 or 30 more. Silvers was that Lime Green Crack But i always loved the Golden type an Brown

Even if there are guys growing "ny haze" in the city what makes you think it isn't bagseed from cuban haze?

Soo many maybe's maybe it was originally from NYC an brought to Fl maybe it was from a magical place far far away .maybe it is from DR or maybe it is a pheno of the Santa Cruz Haze .


We could go back an fourth ,But we basically agree that Haze is Grown in NY an Haze also comes to NYC from Florida .I never argued that there is no black Haze in NYC its highly likely . But i dont believe that Haze from florida is the original Source of NYC Haze

Im Done

 

[CalcioErba2004]

Silvers was that Lime Green Crack But i always loved the Golden type an Brown

YES! That's the REAL Piff. Golden, light brown, fuzzy small nugs. Open the bag and it smells like you just stuck your face in an old monastery with candles/incense burning and dying flowers in vases. High is energetic and euphoric with a floaty type feeling. Great weed for going out and doing shit. It's great weed for NYC.

 

[ElRubio]

Doesn´t anyone have pictures of those hazes? I think it´d help... growing, blooming or some dried-buds pics at least???? I´ve been ages hearing stories ´bout NY-piff-church-frankies...etc- hazes... I assume i won´t try it, but i´d love to see her... thanks in advance!

Meanwhile, some fancy old pics of PTK x Destroyer F1. Outstanding hybrid. This was in particular toward the sativa side of the combination





four different phenos of the same cross:


Thanks a lot. Best vibes everyone.

 

[motaco]

motaco


Well I see we couldnt have a discussion in person if this is how you continue to speak . If you recognize you are argumentive why not try an change it or not converse when feelin soo .Why say sorry if you still speak like this below

See this is why I apologized. To me that is not an offensive thing to say. I argue not in a mean spirited way but in a "one sword sharpens the other" kind of way. I'm not calling you names or threatening you. I am just disagreeing with you about the origins of haze. And for the record it is not me disliking your posts. I don't know who is doing that or why. I enjoy talking with you and I hope you aren't mad at me.

But yes I do stand by what I said. I think you are being blinded by wishful thinking about haze. You think New York Haze is a descendant of Haze Bros Haze? That there is one specific variety of NYC haze that is the true nyc haze and it is been in new york for 30 or more years. Its commercially available but you don't know who grows it? Do you have any back story at all to add credibility to this claim? Because to me it is blatant wishful thinking and is why talking about frankies with New Yorkers is often frustrating. It seems it is always a similar argument.

I'm not claiming to know the genetics of the strain, I'm just saying I know where about 95% of "Ny Haze" is coming from and it isn't NY. I have newspaper articles, police reports, and other factual data to support what I am saying. I don't have concrete evidence but it isn't just pure conjecture.

Maybe the expolsion of Piff aka inferior Haze is when the Cubans starting sending it to NYC . You see around the time you think it became popular because you only heard about NYC purple Haze Bust in the News ,Was a few years after it became more rare to find the High end Haze .90's was Golden Era*


Soo your contradicting yourself ,if the large runs started in early 00's
an we have had Haze for many years before that ,than what was the Haze source before , NY area ?

Exactlky like i said when the quality started to Drop is when the large runs as you say started ,Soo that could be because Blacks anint Franks or Oldschool Uptowns*

No I'm not contradicting myself. I said large scale runs increased during mid '00s after some large scale busts of rival weed dealers. I said they increased. Not came out of nowhere. The runs might have went from moving 50 pounds a month to several runners moving 50 pounds a week. And the quality slipped as more novice immigrants were learning to grow weed. There was probably cuban haze being run into new york since the 80s but definitely since the 90s. Because the amount increased and the quality slipped doesn't do anything at all to further your point that it is actually from NY.

And I do think you are kidding yourself about how much weed is being grown locally.



This is a former member here's grow. That is not even the full yard but the full yard is roughly a 50 lb grow. That guy my friend knew was moving that every week. Just one guy. That means it would take 56 grows the size of the one pictured above just to support what he was moving for a year. And he was not the back bone of the operation. Just one guy. There could be half a dozen like him. A dozen. I have no idea.

I understand that NY has grow op busts occasionally. But unless I see real police reports and stuff about MASSIVE scale grow op busts involving organized crime and linked grows it will be hard to convince me NY haze isn't just cuban haze.

A couple of 30k watt warehouse grows does not equal the "weight" involved to take care of what is going on in NY. Nowhere near it. My point was who is calling what "NY haze". It is all pure conjecture from people buying personal amounts on the street level. There probably is some haze being grown in NY (though I doubt highly that it is descended directly from a 30 year old plant from haze bros beans), I do think by far the vast majority of what New Yorkers are buying, smoking, and calling "NY haze" is cuban haze 9 out of 10 times. (in my personal opinion of course)

But I'm sorry you were offended. I hope we can still be friends. This is part of what we do here and why I designed the thread. We argue, debate, and discuss topics get to the bottom of issues for the benefit of valuable information for everyone. Its not meant to get anyone upset so I apologize. But I do feel like we both made out points and stated out opinions pretty clearly and are beating a dead horse at this point. It doesn't matter if we disagree. We are both entitled to our opinions.

Peace

 

[crazyfool*]

Doesn´t anyone have pictures of those hazes? I think it´d help... growing, blooming or some dried-buds pics at least???? I´ve been ages hearing stories ´bout NY-piff-church-frankies...etc- hazes... I assume i won´t try it, but i´d love to see her... thanks in advance!

Meanwhile, some fancy old pics of PTK x Destroyer F1. Outstanding hybrid. This was in particular toward the sativa side of the combination

http://s269.photobucket.com/user/ElRubio_photos/media/IMG_0797.jpg.htmlView Image
http://s269.photobucket.com/user/ElRubio_photos/media/IMG_0853.jpg.htmlView Image
http://s269.photobucket.com/user/ElRubio_photos/media/IMG_0851.jpg.htmlView Image

four different phenos of the same cross:
http://s269.photobucket.com/user/ElRubio_photos/media/IMG_0958.jpg.htmlView Image

Thanks a lot. Best vibes everyone.

oh , you are so eavil!!!!

look at these buds!!!! not less then perfect.... PTK x destroyer must of been a real kick in the forhead! congradulations! that is one beautiful plant, and stupendus buds!

 

[BlueJayWay]

Sup dudes! I'm a new convert Sativa Lover! thought I'd share my first 12 week+ indoor plant, this is Velvet Rush x NL5/H @ 70 days.

& at 76 days:

Been enjoying scrolling through the pictures in these pages!

 

[bigherb]

Doesn´t anyone have pictures of those hazes? I think it´d help... growing, blooming or some dried-buds pics at least???? I´ve been ages hearing stories ´bout NY-piff-church-frankies...etc- hazes... I assume i won´t try it, but i´d love to see her... thanks in advance!

Meanwhile, some fancy old pics of PTK x Destroyer F1. Outstanding hybrid. This was in particular toward the sativa side of the combination

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four different phenos of the same cross:
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Thanks a lot. Best vibes everyone.

Beautiful Pics as always

 

[bigherb]

Beautiful Pics as always

I dont hit uptown often,Things done changed .This anint nothin special will call it Piff LMAO .The Basement musky type ,delicious But not Church .

The Central park pic was me reminiscencing of An Old joke or annoyance about Haze being grown in the snow in NYC


I posted this in another thread an was actually pics taken from a Throwback DVR poor quality Pic but some sexy NYC Haze 2 Diff batches

https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=208194&d=1360986647

https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=208196&d=1360986647

This anint NYC haze but NH grown outdoors in NYC aka that haze that Grows in the Snow

https://www.icmag.com/ic/attachment.php?attachmentid=208193&d=1360986647


1luvbigherb

 

[mahatmaganja27]

Haze don finish in south texas without freezing. There is nnovway its gona finish in new york unless its mostly indica.maybe indoor or greenhouse

 

[2 Legal Co]

Speaking of snow...... my rain drizzle just turned into Big snow flakes about 20 minutes ago. About 7600' elevation.

Already have about 1/2" in 20 minutes. And I just thought, it was spring here. Oh well, springtime in the Rockies. lol

 

[Hank Hemp]

Always have been a sativa lover. First reefer I ever smoke was in Vet Nam on stand down in Tay Ninh basecamp. So I will always love the sativa's.