Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[Lightweight]

Little Double Congo night shot

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Ethiopian Highland x Zamal

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Seedsman Original Haze

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Also very nice plants. Where did you acquire the Ethiopian x Zamal? And how much longer will it and the Original Haze take to finish flowering?

 

[blan-k-flor]

Thank you Lightweight! Original Haze (Seedsman) on left and Brazilian Green x Angola x Original Haze on right:

Original Haze (Seedsman)

 

[Puday]

NYC Haze

NYC Haze

Greetings all.

Just wanted to stop in and give a report I think many will find great.

Long story short ... the strain Western Winds by Sagarmartha is what many of us always refer to as NYC Haze.

It took forever to find the strain, the grails weren't it, all of MNS gear weren't it, sage is awesome but wasn't it, and on and on until finally ... bam there she is.

Straight frankincense dankness. Spot to carbon copy of the notorious old school NYC haze.

Hands down the best smoke I've sampled in 15 years.

Big Herb, if you happen to read this and actually don't get your hands on a pack ... well then you're a fool.

That's all everyone and to the OZ crew ... get you some Western Winds.

Wow! Is all I have to say.

Early finisher, 2 weeks before Kali Mist, but best smoke hands down.

Will report back on Kali soon but it doesn't even matter anymore because western winds is the cats meow.

Did i say frankincense?

A lot of people sold me dreams of frankincense but not Sagarmartha they delivered. No traces of skunk or Northern Lights whatsoever just elegant potent smoke. Full flavor.

Go figure lol

Cheers all

and for all of you who do grab some western winds ... you don't even need to ask ... you will be so glad you did.

Boner!

 

[motaco]

Greetings all.

Just wanted to stop in and give a report I think many will find great.

Long story short ... the strain Western Winds by Sagarmartha is what many of us always refer to as NYC Haze.

I've mentioned this a few times on various threads. I think its even mentioned on the first page under "american sativas".

The NYC haze, aka: piff, church, uptown haze is no secret. There have even been several newspaper articles and even a few news videos on it. About who is growing it and where they are doing it.

That haze has been around in the south since at least the late 90s. Before it showed up in New York. NYC haze got popular in New York after '04 and after the "cartoon network" delivery service era got shut down. This was when "diesel" weed was simply a clone only known as "new york city diesel" the other two big names were its cousin plant "chemdawg" or "head band". The last big name was "Strawberry Cough" which you don't hear much about anymore. "Piff" wasn't around much in those days.

It is known everywhere else except new york as "cuban haze", miami haze, florida haze, 90 days haze, and the black haze. Actually there are other colors too. Black is the most common commercial one though.

There have been large newspaper articles on it. Cuban Drug Trade Organizations smuggle in immigrants to suburban homes, and make them grow weed for a couple of years and then they get to keep the house as payment. The cubans smuggle it up into New York and sell grams of it on street corners for top dollar. They usually sell 3 gram 1/8's or .8 grams. That comes out to about $9000 per pound street value.

They pack a house full of lights, and have a couple of mother plants of the "90 day haze" It is a skinny bean pole of a plant that produces buds all the way down the stem. You can just root a cutting and pack it in to the grow room SOG style. Its finished when its finished. Eliminates the need for a veg room and makes it very simple for novice growers. When you take a plant out replace it with a clone in a one gallon pot. Simple as that.

It is no secret. I suggest you do some google searches about the cuban indoor marijuana business in Florida . There are quite a few newspaper articles written all about it.

Here are some old pics of the cartoon network era. Funny to think that back then Diesel weed was just a New York city legend. Hardly anyone including me had ever smoked diesel weed at that time. Boy did that sure change.



Some info about the Florida scene. Just first page hits. You can look deeper.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20090716/NEWS/907165056

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-10-18/news/0910170154_1_cuban-grow-house-drug-agents

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wor...es-dominate-marijuana-trade-in-south-florida/

Here is some random post that came up on the google search. It is basically true. Some of it is opinion but the rest is true.

Post by; Manic grower

"Despite not being really considered a Elite Strain, The OG Black Haze is probably one few pure haze that still exists in its origanal form....no backcrossing, crossing, or fems..So many people in miami have this cut that is heritige will never be lost..now that i think about i really cant recall another pure haze that exists in this way today where people can still get there hands on a cut of the origanal genetics....maybe the few that skunkman might have or some people out in holland, but this cut has been floating around miami for over 20+ years in its origanal form, and ive been smoking it for over 18+ years....Even though a ton of people in miami have this cut.....its really only shared amongst people in the latin american community, and if your not one of them its really hard to get your hands on this cut!

I really dont know to much of the background but im sure it was brought here from somewhere in s. america, cuba, or the carribean, but its the first choice strain with the commercial growers in miami. Personally, not only is this a TRUE COMMERCIAL YIELDER but its is THE MOST POTENT POT ive ever smoked to this day...Even Now, I prefer to buy this weed over my own weed, not only the stuff i grow but my friends grow both too, and i prefer the blacks over any cut ive ran! In Miami, not only do we have our Black haze in origanal form, but we have a OG Silver Haze, not SSH but the real Old School Silver Haze which has been floating around this area for 20+ years as well. Hands down the Black Haze is prefered over the silver haze 9 times out of 10...just to tell you how good this pot is!

This cut takes 90-120 days.."

Western Winds is just Sagarmathas version of "Kali Mist" by Serious Seeds. It isn't the nyc haze. nyc haze is clone only. One of them cubans could make a fortune by making fem'd seeds with it though.

 

[bombadil.360]

motaco, very informative, as usual

can you say: half baked?



peace!

 

[motaco]

lol. Yes very true. The delivery service era was forever enshrined in Half Baked.

"I wanna talk to Samson!"

 

[Lightweight]

Thank you Lightweight! Original Haze (Seedsman) on left and Brazilian Green x Angola x Original Haze on right:

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Original Haze (Seedsman)

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Very nice again. Do you get to grow year-round where you live?

 

[RandyCalifornia]

Beautiful plants Blan-k-flor, I bet they will be some tasty smoke.
I can't wait to try the Black Haze, I need some up weed.
Always wanted to try Western Winds too, I don't usually buy seeds but I have always been wanting to try the Kali Mist and the Western Winds.
This Kush trip has been going for too long, I want to change the mood.
Some people who have not smoked a really good sativa say today's Kush strains are way better then anything that has been around in the past but they have NO idea because they have never been there.
I'm not saying anything is better or worse, I'm saying it's all good, just different.
I, at this point of smoking mostly Kush for the last 15 years, need that difference again.

 

[ThaiBliss]

Greetings all.

Just wanted to stop in and give a report I think many will find great.

Long story short ... the strain Western Winds by Sagarmartha is what many of us always refer to as NYC Haze.

Puday, do you have any pictures that you could post?

I had some plants that were labeled as Western Winds from Sagarmartha through Emery long ago. I thought it was perfume like but lighter and sweeter than frankincense. I loved it though. What I remember was that it was not that impressive in small doses, but it had top end. You would get higher and higher if more was consumed. It was dreamy and feel good euphoric at the same time.

It was very indica looking to me. I killed it off when I quit growing for a few years. Over time I convinced myself that it was mislabeled and was really AK 47 because the pictures looked so much like it.

I'd love to see any picks that you have, Puday.

Cheers,

ThaiBliss

 

[The Devil]

Nl#5xHaze x Kali mist 11week

 

[Homebrewer]

Nl#5xHaze x Kali mist 11week

She needs a lot less light than you think. Nice cross though!

 

[bigherb]

I've mentioned this a few times on various threads. I think its even mentioned on the first page under "american sativas".

The NYC haze, aka: piff, church, uptown haze is no secret. There have even been several newspaper articles and even a few news videos on it. About who is growing it and where they are doing it.

That haze has been around in the south since at least the late 90s. Before it showed up in New York. NYC haze got popular in New York after '04 and after the "cartoon network" delivery service era got shut down. This was when "diesel" weed was simply a clone only known as "new york city diesel" the other two big names were its cousin plant "chemdawg" or "head band". The last big name was "Strawberry Cough" which you don't hear much about anymore. "Piff" wasn't around much in those days.

It is known everywhere else except new york as "cuban haze", miami haze, florida haze, 90 days haze, and the black haze. Actually there are other colors too. Black is the most common commercial one though.

There have been large newspaper articles on it. Cuban Drug Trade Organizations smuggle in immigrants to suburban homes, and make them grow weed for a couple of years and then they get to keep the house as payment. The cubans smuggle it up into New York and sell grams of it on street corners for top dollar. They usually sell 3 gram 1/8's or .8 grams. That comes out to about $9000 per pound street value.

They pack a house full of lights, and have a couple of mother plants of the "90 day haze" It is a skinny bean pole of a plant that produces buds all the way down the stem. You can just root a cutting and pack it in to the grow room SOG style. Its finished when its finished. Eliminates the need for a veg room and makes it very simple for novice growers. When you take a plant out replace it with a clone in a one gallon pot. Simple as that.

It is no secret. I suggest you do some google searches about the cuban indoor marijuana business in Florida . There are quite a few newspaper articles written all about it.

Here are some old pics of the cartoon network era. Funny to think that back then Diesel weed was just a New York city legend. Hardly anyone including me had ever smoked diesel weed at that time. Boy did that sure change.

[URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=3843&pictureid=1064796&thumb=1]View Image[/url] [URL=https://www.icmag.com/ic/picture.php?albumid=3843&pictureid=1064797&thumb=1]View Image[/url]

Some info about the Florida scene. Just first page hits. You can look deeper.

http://www.theledger.com/article/20090716/NEWS/907165056

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2009-10-18/news/0910170154_1_cuban-grow-house-drug-agents

http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wor...es-dominate-marijuana-trade-in-south-florida/

Here is some random post that came up on the google search. It is basically true. Some of it is opinion but the rest is true.

Post by; Manic grower

"Despite not being really considered a Elite Strain, The OG Black Haze is probably one few pure haze that still exists in its origanal form....no backcrossing, crossing, or fems..So many people in miami have this cut that is heritige will never be lost..now that i think about i really cant recall another pure haze that exists in this way today where people can still get there hands on a cut of the origanal genetics....maybe the few that skunkman might have or some people out in holland, but this cut has been floating around miami for over 20+ years in its origanal form, and ive been smoking it for over 18+ years....Even though a ton of people in miami have this cut.....its really only shared amongst people in the latin american community, and if your not one of them its really hard to get your hands on this cut!

I really dont know to much of the background but im sure it was brought here from somewhere in s. america, cuba, or the carribean, but its the first choice strain with the commercial growers in miami. Personally, not only is this a TRUE COMMERCIAL YIELDER but its is THE MOST POTENT POT ive ever smoked to this day...Even Now, I prefer to buy this weed over my own weed, not only the stuff i grow but my friends grow both too, and i prefer the blacks over any cut ive ran! In Miami, not only do we have our Black haze in origanal form, but we have a OG Silver Haze, not SSH but the real Old School Silver Haze which has been floating around this area for 20+ years as well. Hands down the Black Haze is prefered over the silver haze 9 times out of 10...just to tell you how good this pot is!

This cut takes 90-120 days.."

Western Winds is just Sagarmathas version of "Kali Mist" by Serious Seeds. It isn't the nyc haze. nyc haze is clone only. One of them cubans could make a fortune by making fem'd seeds with it though.

Sup brother

I respect your post an many contributions but i disagree with many parts of this post

I noticed u seen my post in the 20's an 30's thread .I was hopin you might add somthing or respond to that link.

Im confused how you speak with such certainty about NYC ,If i recall your not even from the area . Haze was popular in NYC for several years before 04 in the late 90's 98-02 Was Golden years for me an NYC Haze .

I was goin Uptown around 02 ,My cousin was smoking Franks about 10 years earlier.The tag /term/slang piff was coined after i first started goin it was made popular caz of Dipset, Then the top selections became not soo common an everything was called piff or piffington by some locals .Some young cats even call Non haze related strains piff Nowadays

If you know there many haze clones/ hybrids/ lines that circulate NYC it is not one haze available Uptown.

I know Haze in grown Uptown an surrounding areas.But i also know that Haze comes in from Florida .I just dont think the Frankies is the black Haze

Old post from CF on the Blacks
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showpost.php?p=4195414&postcount=153


1luvbigherb

 

[motaco]

You are right I don't live in the area. But I have a feeling you have never gone to florida to smoke the cuban haze either though.

And you are free to think NYC haze is whatever you like. I'm just telling you that here in the south it is no secret who grows all that commercial haze. Its cubans in miami and they ship it up the east coast for higher prices. Its also no secret that nyc haze is only available whole sale almost exclusively from latin gangs on the east coast. Coincidence? Maybe. But I don't think so. In my opinion the famous nyc haze is the same as the cuban haze.

In rebuttal to my opinion and all the evidence I posted up you link one post to someone who has never grown the weed, only bought it in small quantities who says he doesn't think it is the same? To be honest that doesn't mean much to me. Everyone knows there is more than one variety of cuban haze. The blacks is just the most common.

The only other thing you mentioned is that the haze was around in the 90s. That is the earliest I'm aware of it too, but others claim it has been in florida since the late 70s and I have no reason to think they are lying.

Sup brother

I noticed u seen my post in the 20's an 30's thread .I was hopin you might add somthing or respond to that link.

1luvbigherb

Are you implying the nyc haze might be genes that have been around in new york since the 20s?

An old link from a friend

http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/hemp/history/first12000/12.htm

Amazing if true ther are footnotes/references

New York Times speaks of hashish early as 1914

I love the mention of the tea pads in Harlem an the differnt grades an possible origins S.america / Africa .Some coincidence How Nyc an Uptown are still known to have the best available .It's somthing to think maybe the NYC haze is Descended from one of these old strains


1luvbigherb

I'd have to stick with my original guess. I admit I don't have concrete evidence of it but I'll believe the latin gang connections between new york weed dealers and miami haze growers before I'd believe its a strain descended from the tea pads seventy years ago.

 

[bigherb]

You are right I don't live in the area. But I have a feeling you have never gone to florida to smoke the cuban haze either though.

And you are free to think NYC haze is whatever you like. I'm just telling you that here in the south it is no secret who grows all that commercial haze. Its cubans in miami and they ship it up the east coast for higher prices. Its also no secret that nyc haze is only available whole sale almost exclusively from latin gangs on the east coast. Coincidence? Maybe. But I don't think so. In my opinion the famous nyc haze is the same as the cuban haze.

In rebuttal to my opinion and all the evidence I posted up you link one post to someone who has never grown the weed, only bought it in small quantities who says he doesn't think it is the same? To be honest that doesn't mean much to me. Everyone knows there is more than one variety of cuban haze. The blacks is just the most common.

The only other thing you mentioned is that the haze was around in the 90s. That is the earliest I'm aware of it too, but others claim it has been in florida since the late 70s and I have no reason to think they are lying.



Are you implying the nyc haze might be genes that have been around in new york since the 20s?



I'd have to stick with my original guess. I admit I don't have concrete evidence of it but I'll believe the latin gang connections between new york weed dealers and miami haze growers before I'd believe its a strain descended from the tea pads seventy years ago.

As i said i Respect you an im not here to argue an you seem like you do

What itches me an still does is how you spoke soo definitively on this topic which ive never seen you involved in an statements you ve made are false such as when it became popular .You say the Blacks existed in the south before it became famous in NYC ,why have we only heard of the BlackHaze just a few years back ?

This is an old topic piff/Blacks i didnt want to get much into it again especially in this thread .I have posted quotes from others in the past who share my opinion soo im sorry you werent satisfied with my rebuttal as i wasnt tryin hard .Also what you call evidence is nothin but opinion

I havnt smoked the blacks but i have one up on you being ive smoked NYC hazes for years an according to you im smoking both soo thats 2.

The only other thing you mentioned is that the haze was around in the 90s. That is the earliest I'm aware of it too, but others claim it has been in florida since the late 70s and I have no reason to think they are lying

.

Below is the earliest reference Ive found ,But ive never seen mention of the 70's an black Haze ever .If this psot below is true of course its only one man .BUt that would mean the Stock is not possibly from any seedbank except CC/Sacred seeds

Originally Posted by The Baphomet
bigherb, I received 6 cuts of the church around 94 and ran her for a few years at a few different locations and lost her around 97-98 . The cut was given to me by commercial grower friend who couldn't run her because of the long flowering cycle and he was running faster finishing $tuff , he never told me where he got it from and I never bothered to ask .
As for the origin of the church I have no idea ,all I now is that it was a haze . The first time I smoked it was around 85-86 and it was from a spot in Harlem , they sold dimes of it and they where the smallest dimes you saw in those days but three of use would be totally whacked off one joint that we usually smoked in the last car of the train on the ride home from the spot .
There was another Haze that floated around NY in the mid to late 90's called the pepper or pepper-head it was also a killa haze . A few years ago I got a p from NY that was labeled nlhaze that was very church like .
I have 7 more of these Thunk seeds IM going to wait till this one is done before I pop a few more because space is kinda limited to the sd right now

Ill keep it short ,I know haze comes from Florida into NYC . BUt i also know Factfirst hand Haze is grown in manhattan BX an im sure elsewhere in teh boroughs .

Also the Fact/coincedince the 3 Haze bros brokered the majority of the haze on the East coast were from New jersey . I think its some coincedince that the OHaze was available in NYC in the 70's an till this day there is a legendary Haze stil in NYC

Just my opinion based from abit of fact

Are you implying the nyc haze might be genes that have been around in new york since the 20s?

Noo it was more of a joke being im known to speak highly of the NYC Haze an its soo much myth surrounding its origins .

I thought the link was interesting an thought you might have a opinion about it Being a sativa head .I did find it amazing that Top notch Genetics have been in NYC for soo long in the same area .


1luvbigherb

 

[Dr. Purpur]

Nah, Hes wrong Herb. We ship all the NYC haze to you after we grow it on the west coast.......

 

[bigherb]

Nah, Hes wrong Herb. We ship all the NYC haze to you after we grow it on the west coast g:

Sup Unc

Soo that's the source

It could only get better if it was Haze from your garden or one of my Ozzie brothers

Nice to see ya posting I look forward to see wat ur cookin this summer in the garden n kitchen


1luvbigherb

 

[bushweed]

Early Mullumbimby Madness

NHz21 x EMM

 

[stihgnobevoli]

offspring of a lowland Oaxaca i hit with some sorta Kush pollen. retains the flowering structure of the mom and the short stature of the father. this one looks to be the keeper. only popped 2 seeds...i think those are the only 2 i had left.

second pheno i wasn't gonna grow out at first but it's packin on weight in a major way. i guess the mom branching pattern added weight to it and the kush brought the stature down. the mom was pure sativa madness. branches that branch into smaller branches which turn into buds which in turn branch out and then those branch out some more.

the mom (right side) leggy as a motherfuckers and 6 weeks in 12/12 before even sexing. the dad i think is the plant whose leaves are occupying the whole left side.

 

[motaco]

As i said i Respect you an im not here to argue an you seem like you do

sorry if you are offended, I am a bit argumentative but I don't mean anything by it.

What itches me an still does is how you spoke soo definitively on this topic which ive never seen you involved in an statements you ve made are false such as when it became popular

That is not false. I have no doubt that haze existed in NYC well earlier than mid '00s, but certainly the popularity of it had a MASSIVE explosion after the cartoon network and a few other major busts.

.You say the Blacks existed in the south before it became famous in NYC ,why have we only heard of the BlackHaze just a few years back ?

Well mainly because large scale smuggling runs didn't start happening until the early '00s, but also because it isn't grown in new york it is grown in florida. and it is simply known by them as the haze. It is known to everyone else as the cuban haze.

Below is the earliest reference Ive found ,But ive never seen mention of the 70's an black Haze ever .If this psot below is true of course its only one man .BUt that would mean the Stock is not possibly from any seedbank except CC/Sacred seeds

nobody has ever claimed to know the genetic heritage of it and neither do you.

Ill keep it short ,I know haze comes from Florida into NYC . BUt i also know Factfirst hand Haze is grown in manhattan BX an im sure elsewhere in teh boroughs .

That is a fine point. There may very well be a niche "new york city haze" that only you and a handful of others have access to. My point is that every New Yorker I've talked to who have come into my threads talking about "church, frankies, uptown haze, ny haze, piff" etc. (By the way that number exploded since around '06) claims as well that is a new york only legend and that I don't know what I'm talking about.

The thing is though years ago a friends room mate was dealing with a guy who was moving 50lbs of that cuban haze from Florida to NY and NJ every week. He wasn't the main supplier just one guy out of many. So those cubans are shipping literally hundreds of pounds of haze up the east coast every week.

The vast majority of new yorkers smoking haze are smoking cuban haze and calling it nyc haze. The thing is though pretty much every new yorker thinks its a local only legend. What is more likely? That in new york there are massive grow syndicates operating completely undercover and moving hundreds of pounds a week of haze. Or that the massive haze grows that everyone already knows about in florida is where all that nyc haze is coming from?

Frankly you may very well be right about what you know of NY haze. But if you are then you are the one out of twenty who is right because they all tell me it isn't cuban haze. Its from New york they just don't know what the strain is, or who grows it. All of you New Yorkers can't be getting the "real deal" nyc haze. Some of you have to be smoking cuban haze and calling it nyc haze. The thing is, none of them admit they are the one being fooled.

In my logical mind, they are just kidding themselves. There is hundreds of pounds of haze coming into ny every week but that isn't the new york haze everyone is smoking apparently? Its some massive hidden grow op producing hundreds of pounds per week within new york? That is a fantasy.

and truth be told, I think you are kidding yourself too. You have no good reason to think NYC haze isn't the cuban haze. Or if you do have a good reason it hasn't been made clear to me. Even if there are guys growing "ny haze" in the city what makes you think it isn't bagseed from cuban haze?

Noo it was more of a joke being im known to speak highly of the NYC Haze an its soo much myth surrounding its origins .

I thought the link was interesting an thought you might have a opinion about it Being a sativa head .I did find it amazing that Top notch Genetics have been in NYC for soo long in the same area .

1luvbigherb

I had no idea if you were joking. Its a nice link but I had seen that one before.

 

[CalcioErba2004]

Frankies....Uptown Haze...the Piff....the Church....its from Florida, originally brought from Haiti/Domenican Republic. Apparently its from seeds of plants that have been grown there for generations. It's a 12 to 14 week flower and has that distinct dank church, dead flowers in dank vase water smell. It's fuckin divine...

It was around before 2004, I smoked it before 2004. It got really popular around that time(I remember paying 75 bucks for 3 grams in 05) but then the quality went to shit because cats were trying to cash in on the name. This is where cats were running lbs up and calling it NYC Haze.

The actual Piff was grown in the industrial parts of the Bronx, hence the name Uptown Haze. Bronx, Queens, Brooklyn all have old buildings deep in industrial parks that are the greatest cover for big grows and hardly any traffic goes thru these places. We're talking 30kw+ grows, stolen power, the whole shebang. Imposters are grown elsewhere and shipped in and these days to get the real Piff you really gotta know some people...if it even exists anymore.