Revival of the Ultimate Sativa Thread

[Browser]

Great pics people

Herbalistic best of luck with them Swazi Rooibart´s, keep us posted! Have you started a thread on your Training Prog? What's the link?

Bob Best of lucks with those Thai ladies of yours. Growing them sativas at these latitudes is not monkey biz. The greenhouse will certainly come handy, but maybe a heater too. I've read that the cold delays their development, that's one of the main concerns with my Pma, at Lat 52 N and no signs of flowering yet...

I really hope Zam gets to pop by every now and then. One does not need to "know him" to know that he knows his stuff, in theory and practice. If people like him and the rest continue to leave, there'll be nothing more than rookies here at IC, looking into the science of sativas and trying to figure it out once again

Motaco All the best in your adventures. And remember to be careful when visiting this sort of sites in public places (! )

 

[Baphomet]

Here's my Kilimanjaro at 44 Days 12/12 from seed.
No nutes, just organic potting mix & 400w HPS.
Thanks to bobjones for all the Kilimanjaro info!

 

[hardhat22]

Great pics people
I really hope Zam gets to pop by every now and then. One does not need to "know him" to know that he knows his stuff, in theory and practice. If people like him and the rest continue to leave, there'll be nothing more than rookies here at IC, looking into the science of sativas and trying to figure it out once again

Speaking as one of those rookies,I have to agree.6 months ago I found this thread and made a connection between the appearance of the plants posted on this thread and the skinny budded plants that I used to grow outdoors and the ones I HAD been struggling with indoors.Didn't even know they were sats or sat dom.
With that connection came an understanding and with the understanding came a fascination.I mean,any joe shmoe can get online and order sativas or Indicas,but I bet I have sativa genes in my possesion that rez,mandala or any other breeder has never seen.I haven't even scratched the surface on understanding what I have access to and the possibilities fascinate me.
If Motaco only pops in every now and then,Zam is gone(I can't find his new site)British Hempire will prolly fade away,who else will point the way for my ignorant self?I only hope browser,herbalistic and the rest will hang around longer.
I know you haven't hit the dusty trail yet Motaco,but I wish only the best for ya.And don't let the site of the worst that mankind has to offer veil the view of the best mankind has to offer.
Peace

 

[Elevator Man]

Herbalistic - that OHaze X MG is awesomely chunky for that stage - was the Haze mother a particularly short pheno? Looks like my dream sativa for indoors...

 

[Bob Jones]

Baphomet, hope you like it, I'm really happy with mine. One of mine finished really early, it's about 90 percent harvested. The other looks more like the classic sativa, long fluffy stacked calyxes, it looks like it has another couple weeks to go. The first one yielded about 13 ounces, the second should go well over a pound. I've hit them with some Apollo 11 pollen, going to try some of the cross over the winter to see how it works out.

Smoke report is very good. Not super potent knock you on you ass weed, just a good up high with no paranoia. Reminds me a lot of what I used to smoke 30 years ago, which I enjoy. Potency of the first plant probably 7/10, but good yield, fast, easy to grow and very pleasant high.

Here's a pic of #2 about two weeks abo, branches are now starting to bend over from the weight.

 

[Spangli]

Baphomet, hope you like it, I'm really happy with mine. One of mine finished really early, it's about 90 percent harvested. The other looks more like the classic sativa, long fluffy stacked calyxes, it looks like it has another couple weeks to go. The first one yielded about 13 ounces, the second should go well over a pound. I've hit them with some Apollo 11 pollen, going to try some of the cross over the winter to see how it works out.

Smoke report is very good. Not super potent knock you on you ass weed, just a good up high with no paranoia. Reminds me a lot of what I used to smoke 30 years ago, which I enjoy. Potency of the first plant probably 7/10, but good yield, fast, easy to grow and very pleasant high.

Here's a pic of #2 about two weeks abo, branches are now starting to bend over from the weight.

So Baphomet and Bob Jones what is your opinion about World of seeds and their strains? Are they worth buying? Can you write a short summary on Kilimanjaro? Do you have other strains from them?

 

[Baphomet]

So Baphomet and Bob Jones what is your opinion about World of seeds and their strains? Are they worth buying? Can you write a short summary on Kilimanjaro? Do you have other strains from them?

I have World of Seeds:
Kilimanjaro
South African Kwazulu
Wild Thai

I have only tried Kilimanjaro so far.
4 seeds planted...3 seeds popped...2 were male...my sole female is looking gorgeous!
Obviously I'd be happier with more than 1 out of 4, but that's what cloning is all about

 

[Thule]

Do you reckon the kilimanjaro is a pure sativa strain? How long do you expect it to flower? If it really is a strain from kilimanjaro it could be frost tolerant and suitable for crosses with early maturing strains which we need here in Europe and Canada.

 

[Herbalistic]

Herbalistic - that OHaze X MG is awesomely chunky for that stage - was the Haze mother a particularly short pheno? Looks like my dream sativa for indoors...

This is a cross made by marijuanamat (crazyXseeds) and I cannot remember too much about the parents he used. Maybe he did clarifie the heritage 10, or 20 pages back, but im not sure was I asking about it.. If you really are interested, then try to check: crazy x seeds -thread in seedbay forum, or we can hope that marijuanamat will chime in and drop the knowledge

But what I can remember is that none of the parents were short phenos

Reason, why it´s so "chunky" is that it has vegged under envirolite, only about 2 cm from bulb, so that may well be the biggest factor for the "chunky" shape, if we can really call it that!

Sorry for the skitzo reply Emon´, but I just arrived from schooling and im still are little overhyped..

Herbalistic best of luck with them Swazi Rooibart´s, keep us posted! Have you started a thread on your Training Prog? What's the link?

Thank you for your wishes Browser. Rooibart´s have been two days under coco and they still havent rised, so I checked carefully that they are doing ok and I was delightful to notice that they all had growed quite long tail, so it´s matter of days, or even hours before they get up of the coco

As for my "training program" I havent started any thread yet, but I am still gathering info & pics and it could be that I start the thread after finishing the NH grow which I use as an example in this tutorial.

Or...

Should I start the thread before I have all the pics I would want and just post the info with just couple of pics? (which make the idea clear)

It´s up to you small space growers, so I wait whats the "general opinion"?

EDIT:Thule, I noticed on the Finish forum that you had make an (Thule x Indian Haze x LR#2)-cross, which is very sativa dominant. Could you share some info on this project and maybe even couple pics?

Peace Love Pot

 

[Hombredebarro]

Hombredebarro, how long have those Thai been blooming?

I have the same, they are just now starting to flower ( I am at 45 north). Yours are starting to look good. I hope mine will finish by the middle of December. They are in a greenhouse but we can get freezing weather by the end of the year.

Hello Bob and friends.

I copy/paste from the google traslator

I'm sorry!


Thai Ko Chang can astonish by amount and quality

of its flowers.

It is and the hard vigorous variety that I know.

The Thai Ko mature to 28ºNorte in around of 12/14 weeks.

Shes mold and humidity resistant:is simply amazing, as well as his propagation.

A friend in indoor obtained good results.

Good smoke, HdB


OT1 HAZE





NEPAL HIGHLAND



DEEP CHUNK




PINE TAR KUSH




CHINA YUNNAN



PHILIPINA KALINGA

 

[Bob Jones]

Spangli, I am growing out the World of Seeds Kilimanjaro and Thai (Kho Chang).

My sample space is very limited, I popped 3 beans of each, all germed. One of each was a male, identified at about 5 weeks of veg. They were started inside April 1 under a 600w light, then put outside about May 15 when sexed. If you look at my gallery you can see a variety of pix from July to Sept. 1, I'll try to update it this week.

Regarding the Kilimanjaro, honestly I don't have enough knowledge of cannabis genetics to say if it is truly 100 percent sativa or not. The leaves are not super-thin like the Thai or Colombians, they're slim but not extremely so. Of my two plants, both started flowering around August 1. One of the plants matured much faster than the other and I have 90 percent of it harvested. The other plant still has about two weeks to go. The first plant yielded about 13 oz, the second looks to be well over that amount with very long branches of buds forming. I will say the flowers are typical sativa, long "foxtails" of stacked calyxes, not like Indica buds at all. Especially with sativas it's tough to rely on very early smoke reports, they tend to benefit from a good cure, but here's my initial results of the first Kili plant. The smell is different, not like Dutch weed, I think it smells like a fir tree, my wife says cedar, not fruity at all to me, think pine pitch. Potency is OK, not super strong, but then I harvested a week or two early and I'm not as concerned about potency as the quality of the high. For me, the quality of the high is outstanding. Definitely a good sativa buzz but without the jaw-gritting quality and paranoia. It brings back memories of good Mexican weed I used to smoke 30 years ago. I tend to have a problem with a lot of weed that I just want to be left alone and have a hard time being social when stoned, this buzz is so smooth and peaceful I don't have that problem, so I'm really enjoying it.

I'm a med user looking for something to give me pain relief while still being functional, and it definitely fills the bill. If you're someone who is just looking to get hammered you may find it a little unexciting. So far I would say the good parts are: easy to grow, grows big and fast, heavy yield, short and early flowering. The only "disadvantage" would be that it is probably a 6 to 7 in potency, but a big hit or two is plenty to get me to where I need to go, so not saying it's weak, and that may change with the second plant as I will let it go to absolute full maturity. As I grow outdoors I really wanted to get one in the jars for insurance against loss and harvested the first a little early. I think this plant has a lot of breeding potential for northerners looking for a fast sativa. I'm at 45 north and having a plant harvested September 7 was great. If you grow out more it appears there's some variation in harvest dates and breeding could probably push them back earlier. I hit mine with some pollen from a good Apollo 11 male, figuring the high is similar to Apollo but the Apollo is much more potent, so plan to work with the offspring to find an early resinous sativa dominant out of the offspring and work on propagating it.

Regarding the Thai, same start as above. They just went into flowering about a week ago and are starting to throw out some pistils. Big vigorous plants, currently about 10' tall and 8-9' wide, just a mass of branches with little buds beginning to form. I live in an odd climate, similar to western Europe, with cool summers and mild winters, so if we have a good winter they might not freeze until the end of the year or even later, but it will be cool and dark, so we'll see how they do. Also crossed them with the Apollo 11 for fun.

Summary, again a very limited sample, but my opinion is that I bought two varieties for a total of about $60. The Kili may or may not be an actual Kenyan IBL as stated, I've never been to Kenya and can't say, but I'm very happy with the plants I grew from the seeds and will definitely be raising more of them, it's a very early fast blooming sativa, probably related to Durban. The Thai definitely looks and behaves like a Thai, the two plants are like clones of each other, no variation at all, suggesting it is an IBL. I've seen some negative reports on the net about World of Seeds kit, but have no negative comments at all from this year's grow. I saw one comment online saying their seeds were all hermies, haven't seen any evidence of that, even in the Thai.

The seeds are cheap enough, try a couple of packs and see if they work for you, there's plenty of well known "breeders" selling junk at much higher prices.

 

[Thule]

EDIT:Thule, I noticed on the Finish forum that you had make an (Thule x Indian Haze x LR#2)-cross, which is very sativa dominant. Could you share some info on this project and maybe even couple pics?

Peace Love Pot

But ofcourse!

Thule itself is a strain I've been workin on out of curiosity. It's low potency, but good for breeding with. I had a sativa dominant Early Pearl x Lowryder cross that started flowering mid july here at 65 degrees north. It was a first generation plant and I was surprised to see autoflowering at that point. I wanted to make seeds because the plant smelled so wonderfully fruity and matured fast.

I only had lowryder males flowering at that point and since I'm not a fan of the strain I didn't want to pollinate the plant with those. Fortunately I received some pollen and made seeds. I don't know what the father was, but the offspring turned out quite early, most of em autoflower but are not very potent. They seem sativa to me, but there might aswell have been some rudy cross in the mix. Since then I've backrossed her to early pearl x lowryder and got better results.



The cross to indian haze was a pure accident, but that's when things got seriously sativa



I planted one of the thule x indian hazes outside and to my surprise she started flowering in august. Way too late to mature, but I was able to pollinate her and even got some immature nugs to play with.

It might have been stress that triggered her to flower, she does have awful lot of tropical sativa in her. It may also be that thules early / autoflower genetics played a role in the flowering. Whatever the cause, I was pretty excited to have a plant with original haze in her genes flower so far north.

Next year I'm not counting on luck. I pollinated the "indian thule" with lowryder#2 and stuporsonic x LR#2. By doing so I'm hoping to make her earlier without losing her sativa characteristics. Lowryder#2 is quite sativa, I'd estimate around 65% and stuporsonic x LR#2 even more. Both have an uplifting high.

I'll be doing an indoor grow later this year and I'll report how they turn out.

Positive vibrations!

 

[Bob Jones]

Hombredebarro, mil gracias para su informacion y muy buena suerte con los arboles ;-)

 

[Bob Jones]

Just a little update with some fresh pix. Here's a shot of the Thai from the side, the enclosure is 12 x 24' and about 11' tall for scale.



Here's a couple of closeups of the Thai, just starting to bloom.







Finally a couple of closeups of the Kilimanjaro to show the flower structure a little better.








And just because I think it's pretty, a closeup of a Joey Weed Apollo 11 just starting to get serious about flowering but already getting frosty.

 

[BeAn]

Great job Bob, looking forward to seeing the Thai in bloom..

Hombredebarro & Thule, keep up the good work!!

Bless..

 

[Spangli]

Bob Jones thanks for the reply. It convinced me that those beans are worth trying out. Keep up the good work

 

[poorwhitefarmer]

mmmm
v.blackxhighland nepalese
aka willy nelson
@ 6weeks!
pwf

 

[Guest]

Been a long time since I posted anything in this thread...
Not had any sativas to show you folks, but now I have this Egyptian sativa, looking nice, sorry for the shitty pics.

 

[motaco]

@poor white farmer. I liked the willi nelson. could've been more potent but a nice smoke.

smells like nesquick and peanut butter

 

[Herbalistic]

Happy news

Couple pics of the unknown autoflowering sativa strain, which origin/heritage is in big blur...

First, pheno#1





Pheno#2



Pheno#3



Pheno#4



I must admit that im very impressed of these These are from a jointgrow with a friend.

We planned to do some breeding with these genes and we are going to pollinate these with sturdy Blockhead & Kali Most males and do some selection among the offspring in the wintertime, so next spring will reveal couple new autoflowering crosses. They gonna receive some Rooibart pollen if the ones I planted produce any males!

All of the phenos have good resin production and they have some amazing aromas. I try to manage a visit in weekend, so I can take better pics and even make somekind of "analyze" of the phenos!