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Revival of the Ultimate Sativa GROW Thread
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haxi
Active member
Hello guys!
Interesting thread.
This year I'm growing Hawaiian Snow and Super Silver Haze outdoor, from GHSco.
SSH, she's nice but not a very sativa pheno, she has little internods, nice leaves and structure!
And She's branching a lot!
10 july
Hawaiian snow, nothing to say a part she's so beautiful!
10 July:
For Info I'm 1m88 tall (~6 feet).
My love.
Sativa for ever
If you want to see how she grow, visit my thread in my signature
See you around bro's.
Peace
Interesting thread.
This year I'm growing Hawaiian Snow and Super Silver Haze outdoor, from GHSco.
SSH, she's nice but not a very sativa pheno, she has little internods, nice leaves and structure!
And She's branching a lot!
10 july
Hawaiian snow, nothing to say a part she's so beautiful!
10 July:
For Info I'm 1m88 tall (~6 feet).
My love.
Sativa for ever
If you want to see how she grow, visit my thread in my signature
See you around bro's.
Peace
tequila_sunrise
Active member
Nice work Haxi!! I wish I threw a clone outdoors just to see what would happen on my pineapple but they are doing well indoors
enter sandman
Active member
try Jacks Cleaner 2 from TGA. I'm not advertising for them when I say it is the most potent tripping strain I've ever had. It is 80% sativa, but I found a pheno with more haze influence at about 85-90% sativa......
blwd67
Member
Great thread, glad I finally found it. I've got a small indoor grow under a 150w HPS supplemented (if necessary) by cfls. While sqft is limited to just slightly over 1.25, head space is near 3'. The methods laid out in the beginning of this thread would be perfect in my grow, probably ideal even over more indica influenced hybrids.
I've been looking for a good daytime/hang out smoke and of course went to Greenhouse as I hear allot about SSH and SLH. I would really like to try Arjan's Haze 3 or Strawberry Haze, does anyone have any experience with these?
I've been looking for a good daytime/hang out smoke and of course went to Greenhouse as I hear allot about SSH and SLH. I would really like to try Arjan's Haze 3 or Strawberry Haze, does anyone have any experience with these?
enter sandman
Active member
Interesting info, sandman. What other sativas have you smoked? grown? Just to get a point of reference on the jacks being the most trippy/potent. I've had some mind bending sativas and always on the look out for some new ones.
congo, haze & mexican sativa...which are all outside (and I'm near the equator). Inside I am growing jacks cleaner 2 and joey weed's C99.
growhigh1234
Member
hiya everyone iv been very silly and ordered some ace golden tiger for my indoor HYDRO garden lol
any tips would be great i tryed some of it a while back and it was the strongest thing iv ever tryed admitiedly i havnt tryed alot but jesuse it was like l.s.d
gunna me usein rockwool and just a 12 bucket hand fed !!
thanks !
any tips would be great i tryed some of it a while back and it was the strongest thing iv ever tryed admitiedly i havnt tryed alot but jesuse it was like l.s.d
gunna me usein rockwool and just a 12 bucket hand fed !!
thanks !
Flower from seed or use a very very short vegetative state.
Those Sativas will Burst through your Roof after a couple weeks flowering, so consider various training techniques (ie. LST, SuperCrop, Topping)
Use a low amount of N.
Possibly 11on/13off light regime
Good Luck Hope it works out for ya
Those Sativas will Burst through your Roof after a couple weeks flowering, so consider various training techniques (ie. LST, SuperCrop, Topping)
Use a low amount of N.
Possibly 11on/13off light regime
Good Luck Hope it works out for ya
growhigh1234
Member
thanks man i might even do a grow diary !!
would be intresting cant find a golden tiger grow anywere !!!
would be intresting cant find a golden tiger grow anywere !!!
Awesome, I hope you do post a journal.
I believe this is a fairly new strain, and being 100% Sativa (right?) you won't be able to find much info, but you will be able to contribute some! and others will be able to cue in and lend some tips from start to finish.
Consider posting your Grow in the Ace Forum, for the curious to come.
I believe this is a fairly new strain, and being 100% Sativa (right?) you won't be able to find much info, but you will be able to contribute some! and others will be able to cue in and lend some tips from start to finish.
Consider posting your Grow in the Ace Forum, for the curious to come.
sLai*kRoLa
Member
This one has to be BUMPED!
This one has to be BUMPED!
Motaco, thanx a lot!
Here's my humble pretty sativaish input:
Some Jamaican & oldschool skunk genes and some diesel & widow etc. genes (fixed to the ladder).
This one has to be BUMPED!
Motaco, thanx a lot!
Here's my humble pretty sativaish input:
Some Jamaican & oldschool skunk genes and some diesel & widow etc. genes (fixed to the ladder).
Ola Motaco,
Since you like Sativa stories, here's one:
The most devastating herb I have ever toked was a true, landrace Colombian Wacky Weed was known to me as "Candybar". It showed up three or four times a year via Brooklyn, New York to Phoenix, Arizona. The only person in America getting it was my good Colombian friend Gerardo. His source was an old-time grower from Neiva, Colombia, land of the Colombian Blacks that ranged from a shady chocolate color to a rich tar coloration.
Candybar came so black and compacted in one ounce "bars" that it looked like hash and had very little if any apparent leaf or vegetable matter. It was tightly sealed in aluminum foil with an outer wrapping of Saran Wrap. The few people who were lucky enough to examine it up close were like, “WTF?” because it couldn’t be just plain weed. Not coming like that. What these lookers didn’t know, though, was the true surprise that the source of this smoke was handful of female plants that were not annuals. These mother plants were many years old and treasured by the few, rare individuals that had access to the herb they produced. Though I've never seen photos of multi-year plants from Colombia, my friend RCC sent me photos of a Thai tree with a sturdy trunk slightly larger in diameter than your forearm, with average height of approx. 16-18 feet. Standing alone along an agricultural field's wooded edge, a single plant looked very similar to a small stand of bamboo. It doesn’t necessarily mean a lack of vigor at the Equator when a plant grows beyond a year….or five.
One toke from a New York needle pin joint of Candybar was enough to send people falling down staircases, to start spinning so hard that they vomited, and to even lose their balance like my best friend who immediately passed out, fell forward into a brick wall, smashed his eyeglasses, and hit the cement - all before we could move from the same instantaneous freeze and time-stoppage induced by the one, hard-to-pull-from-the-pin joint hit that we each inhaled.
The time period helped the high. In 1974 when Candybar was selling for $100.00 an ounce in Phoenix, an outrageous price for those early days, very few people has smoked decent sinsemilla or had ever tasted this kind of highest quality, professional Colombian grower's personal stash weed. Peter, AKA Johnnie, and actually Gerardo, had people driving down 3 hours in the dark of night from Flagstaff just to grab one of the 3-5 bars being sold shortly after it arrived in Phoenix. Many were disappointed due to its absolute rarity and the general impossibility of getting even a 1/8 of an ounce, ever. Folks laughed when they heard about it. They just couldn’t relate without the experience. They had no reference point that was comparable. I’m sure many of the farmer bros out there reading this account can remember their first space dream and total wipeout.
He had tales of heavy intoxication from wherever he roamed. In Redway and Shelter Cove in Northern Cali he told me of sitting in the pitch-black Redwood forest on a summer night and listening to insect, animal, and sounds from "The Standing People" (trees). Yeah, sitting for 4 hours without barely moving. Now that's some zone. What territory.
Other times there were humorous stories of leaving pin joints in public places and following/watching the poor mental-patients-to-be as they blasted off instantly and lost their grip on the way. Much like the best highland Thai or other southeast Asian smoke that exhibited a SAM (Surface To Assassinated) missile speed. Victims who later swore that they had smoked herb spiked with LSD. Today, looking back, I'd compare it to a DMT blast, though not quite as psychedelic as a stunning combination of extremely high THC accompanied instantly by a wave or windblast of an even more intense CBD spin. And spin they did.
In the stashed Rasta section of Brooklyn’s Bed Stuy, Peter watched helplessly (yep, frozen in time) while a friend's girl tumbled down an entire wooden flight of Brownstone stairs. Once they could break free of Candybar's Tractor Beam they spent quite awhile tending to yet another casualty.
I remember several occasions when hipsters asked Johnnie what type of hash he was preparing. He used a razor blade to slice chunks or slices from the candy. Imagine, for you that can relate to what a “Chunky” candy bar was (is?), that you took two Chunky bars and lined them up touching, side-by-side. That was the general shape except it was not quite as thick. It smelled of warm dark humus, an earthy cannabis with a hint of fruit.
I never, ever smoked more than one hit at a time once I experienced the time-warp of 5 hours disappearing from a couple-three thin hits from a New York Needle pin joint. I laid wasted on the banks of Sycamore Canyon’s swim hole just below Laurie’s Cave wondering who I really was and when was I going to be able to, heyhey, think again. Only a few like Gerardo, George B., and Rob T. were perpetually motivated by Candybar and took off hiking for hours or drove a tractor in 100 degree heat all day under its spell. For most like myself it was paralyzing.
Second place (oh yes) goes to “Cartoon Weed”. Whatever it was, it was extremely predictable and intensely stony in its effects: you will be somewhere, probably in public, most likely in a place that you wish you weren’t, and totally lose it, laughing ridiculously until you cried. The release was enough to make some piss their pants, oh man.
I like that smoke a lot, too. It made life’s dream a magic, funny, shadow show.
Since you like Sativa stories, here's one:
The most devastating herb I have ever toked was a true, landrace Colombian Wacky Weed was known to me as "Candybar". It showed up three or four times a year via Brooklyn, New York to Phoenix, Arizona. The only person in America getting it was my good Colombian friend Gerardo. His source was an old-time grower from Neiva, Colombia, land of the Colombian Blacks that ranged from a shady chocolate color to a rich tar coloration.
Candybar came so black and compacted in one ounce "bars" that it looked like hash and had very little if any apparent leaf or vegetable matter. It was tightly sealed in aluminum foil with an outer wrapping of Saran Wrap. The few people who were lucky enough to examine it up close were like, “WTF?” because it couldn’t be just plain weed. Not coming like that. What these lookers didn’t know, though, was the true surprise that the source of this smoke was handful of female plants that were not annuals. These mother plants were many years old and treasured by the few, rare individuals that had access to the herb they produced. Though I've never seen photos of multi-year plants from Colombia, my friend RCC sent me photos of a Thai tree with a sturdy trunk slightly larger in diameter than your forearm, with average height of approx. 16-18 feet. Standing alone along an agricultural field's wooded edge, a single plant looked very similar to a small stand of bamboo. It doesn’t necessarily mean a lack of vigor at the Equator when a plant grows beyond a year….or five.
One toke from a New York needle pin joint of Candybar was enough to send people falling down staircases, to start spinning so hard that they vomited, and to even lose their balance like my best friend who immediately passed out, fell forward into a brick wall, smashed his eyeglasses, and hit the cement - all before we could move from the same instantaneous freeze and time-stoppage induced by the one, hard-to-pull-from-the-pin joint hit that we each inhaled.
The time period helped the high. In 1974 when Candybar was selling for $100.00 an ounce in Phoenix, an outrageous price for those early days, very few people has smoked decent sinsemilla or had ever tasted this kind of highest quality, professional Colombian grower's personal stash weed. Peter, AKA Johnnie, and actually Gerardo, had people driving down 3 hours in the dark of night from Flagstaff just to grab one of the 3-5 bars being sold shortly after it arrived in Phoenix. Many were disappointed due to its absolute rarity and the general impossibility of getting even a 1/8 of an ounce, ever. Folks laughed when they heard about it. They just couldn’t relate without the experience. They had no reference point that was comparable. I’m sure many of the farmer bros out there reading this account can remember their first space dream and total wipeout.
He had tales of heavy intoxication from wherever he roamed. In Redway and Shelter Cove in Northern Cali he told me of sitting in the pitch-black Redwood forest on a summer night and listening to insect, animal, and sounds from "The Standing People" (trees). Yeah, sitting for 4 hours without barely moving. Now that's some zone. What territory.
Other times there were humorous stories of leaving pin joints in public places and following/watching the poor mental-patients-to-be as they blasted off instantly and lost their grip on the way. Much like the best highland Thai or other southeast Asian smoke that exhibited a SAM (Surface To Assassinated) missile speed. Victims who later swore that they had smoked herb spiked with LSD. Today, looking back, I'd compare it to a DMT blast, though not quite as psychedelic as a stunning combination of extremely high THC accompanied instantly by a wave or windblast of an even more intense CBD spin. And spin they did.
In the stashed Rasta section of Brooklyn’s Bed Stuy, Peter watched helplessly (yep, frozen in time) while a friend's girl tumbled down an entire wooden flight of Brownstone stairs. Once they could break free of Candybar's Tractor Beam they spent quite awhile tending to yet another casualty.
I remember several occasions when hipsters asked Johnnie what type of hash he was preparing. He used a razor blade to slice chunks or slices from the candy. Imagine, for you that can relate to what a “Chunky” candy bar was (is?), that you took two Chunky bars and lined them up touching, side-by-side. That was the general shape except it was not quite as thick. It smelled of warm dark humus, an earthy cannabis with a hint of fruit.
I never, ever smoked more than one hit at a time once I experienced the time-warp of 5 hours disappearing from a couple-three thin hits from a New York Needle pin joint. I laid wasted on the banks of Sycamore Canyon’s swim hole just below Laurie’s Cave wondering who I really was and when was I going to be able to, heyhey, think again. Only a few like Gerardo, George B., and Rob T. were perpetually motivated by Candybar and took off hiking for hours or drove a tractor in 100 degree heat all day under its spell. For most like myself it was paralyzing.
Second place (oh yes) goes to “Cartoon Weed”. Whatever it was, it was extremely predictable and intensely stony in its effects: you will be somewhere, probably in public, most likely in a place that you wish you weren’t, and totally lose it, laughing ridiculously until you cried. The release was enough to make some piss their pants, oh man.
I like that smoke a lot, too. It made life’s dream a magic, funny, shadow show.
Message of Love
New member
Great story Madjag. Sounds like that stuff needed a black box warning.
M
MrSterling
I wish this thread saw some more action! It seems growing sativas require a different thinking than the indoor indicas which people are accustomed to.
I have something to add. I've been growing landrace sativas for a little while now and have developed a few techniques to help deal with them.
I have a small cabinet and cfl lighting so I was under the impression growing sativas is pretty much impossible but I said fuck it and after much experimentation this works:
It's all about keeping the internode length down to a minimum, that involves several things.
1) Veg under 12/1 lighting - that is you veg for 12 hours with an additional hour in the middle of "night" to prevent full on flowering. There is a thread on that here:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219764 The idea is that the one hour of light resets the flowering hormone. This results in incredibly little stretch for sativas when they hit 12/12 because they are already half ready to flower. It also results in much tighter internodes and faster overall flowering cycle cutting weeks off the normal required amount. In my opinion it's absolutely the most important thing you can do to tame unruly sativas.
2) Flowering nutes only - From start to finish feed only flower nutes, no veg nutes ever at any time. Reduces internode length.
3) Minimize nutes - Use as few nutes as you can possibly get away with. To find that level you need to progressively reduce the nute concentration until you reach the point the plants are showing nutrient deficiency then dial back up a fraction. Basically the opposite of what most people advice which is to nute up and up until they burn then back off. There is evidence that some equatorial sativas trigger off nutrient availability for their cycle so giving too many nutes results in a never ending grow. Using minimal nutes and flushing at the right time controls the lifecycle better.
4) Bind roots - grow in the smallest container you can get away with. Smaller roots = shorter plants. Before I discovered the 12/1 lighting thing I went as small as 250ml containers (one cup) made from cutting off the bottom of water bottles.
Of course better lighting accomplishes a lot of the above because it tightens internodes but we can't all go that route.
Anyway that's what works for me with very unruly landrace sativas and incidently works very well with hybrids like SSH as well. Hope it helps others.
I have a small cabinet and cfl lighting so I was under the impression growing sativas is pretty much impossible but I said fuck it and after much experimentation this works:
It's all about keeping the internode length down to a minimum, that involves several things.
1) Veg under 12/1 lighting - that is you veg for 12 hours with an additional hour in the middle of "night" to prevent full on flowering. There is a thread on that here:https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=219764 The idea is that the one hour of light resets the flowering hormone. This results in incredibly little stretch for sativas when they hit 12/12 because they are already half ready to flower. It also results in much tighter internodes and faster overall flowering cycle cutting weeks off the normal required amount. In my opinion it's absolutely the most important thing you can do to tame unruly sativas.
2) Flowering nutes only - From start to finish feed only flower nutes, no veg nutes ever at any time. Reduces internode length.
3) Minimize nutes - Use as few nutes as you can possibly get away with. To find that level you need to progressively reduce the nute concentration until you reach the point the plants are showing nutrient deficiency then dial back up a fraction. Basically the opposite of what most people advice which is to nute up and up until they burn then back off. There is evidence that some equatorial sativas trigger off nutrient availability for their cycle so giving too many nutes results in a never ending grow. Using minimal nutes and flushing at the right time controls the lifecycle better.
4) Bind roots - grow in the smallest container you can get away with. Smaller roots = shorter plants. Before I discovered the 12/1 lighting thing I went as small as 250ml containers (one cup) made from cutting off the bottom of water bottles.
Of course better lighting accomplishes a lot of the above because it tightens internodes but we can't all go that route.
Anyway that's what works for me with very unruly landrace sativas and incidently works very well with hybrids like SSH as well. Hope it helps others.
hi ayatayo ,
we have all wondered for sometime what exactly forces the sativa girls to finish flowering , cause they dont seem to like doing it properly under mans artificial environment compared to their natural setting ..
so we have to think about what differs ..
i can tell you what i notice at the end of a tropical season ,'
the rain finishes and it dries out ,
the nighttime and daytime temps drop ,
the sun lowers in the sky and rather than going overhead ,
it travels across the sky in an arc ..
there is not massive drop in daylight hours ,,
its just gradual and will likely only vary around 1 hr from onset of flower to finish , they will finish when hours are 11 to 11.5 ..
i dont think its one thing , its the combination of all the above factors coming to play ... and not so easy to mimick indoors it seems ...
