Revival of the REVIVAL of the ULTIMATE SATIVA THREAD a.k.a R.U.S.T II

[Piff_cat]

if we rethink indoor production these types could be commercially viable. something similar to sea of green. if you take the old plant count laws out of the picture theres no reason you cant pack in as many stems as you want. rooted clones in a rockwool slab etc. whether these forms are primordial or aneuploids or maybe both, they result in extreme potency and terpenes. also, with enough trial and error im sure an f1 hybrid could be developed which kept the profile and increased density/production. first thing would be to determine why it happens. in a trisomy aneuploid plant has 1 extra chromosome resulting in a dosage imbalance.

so possibilities include reduced inflorence size with the "normal" amount of cannabinoids resulting in high numbers, or the inflorence size is "normal" but the dosage of cannabinoids is increased due to extra copy of chromosome controlling cannabinoid production. once these traits and gene transcription is mapped out predictable hybrid dosage imbalance phenotypes could be reproduced. the main route creating trisomic aneuploids are triploids going thru meiosis. 3 sets of chromosomes with 2 poles is difficult for plant to perform perfectly this can be accomplished by
1) tetraploid x diploid= triploid then triploid is selfed/f2 OR 2) triploid x diploid. the key part is meiosis involving a triploid. its a shit show and results in whats called an aneuploid swarm

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

very wheaty looking jc,
you think due to genetics , environment or ??
be a hell of a prune to get each calyx enough to make a bag ...

Nice and frosty. Dry sieve and go.

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Seems like the more a person inbreed haze the wispier less full it gets. Idk obviously just seems that way.

It’s what’s been said many times…outcross is the way most have gone. I’ll be interested to see what comes out of the ICMag Haze as it’s another inbred line.

 

[GreenAndFast]

Double Zamal

ukrul. Think it's a boy??

 

[Piff_cat]

First time with demon latcher. I think the "pearl" bud forming come from the oaxaca side. But i dont know what ohaze was used in this cross.

the haze 4 dayz seems pretty legit to me. the crazy height and vigor speaks for itself. the structure on the seedbank website pics for demon latcher are insane. regardless of recipe theories, ya gotta think oaxan or another mex was used with haze at some point along the way. if you have crazy sativas far from equator mex is the natural choice back then to be used in f1s and also a great happy high. . it would be cool to see a test for it.
tolerance aside when i started smokin in 90s the day brightener effect is what really got me loving trees. wouldn't want to go back to brick swhag tho lol. snowhigh just came out with 5 new mex landrace lines unselected including limon blanco coming soon. landrace team also has a sinaoloa on site now nice colors and structure

 

[GreenAndFast]

Electric lady X rainbow breeze looking pretty freaking awesome.

Zamaldelica X Congo

Popped two Sudanese from TRSC

 

[olday]

Killer A5 haze taken at 15 weeks, herbal Red Bull - so energizing I’ve been bouncing around the house all morning getting stuff done with a grin on my face. Nice and long lasting. Not for the easily tweaked but I’m a fan

 

[bonghopper]

Thats killer looking alright, nice

 

[led05]

Lemony baby powder.



Exactly the plant of the bus stop. You have a good eye.

PCK X Destroyer x OH was great too. Very tasty.

But that Destroyer Haze pheno was simply unique...


PCK X Destroyer x OH

My buddy; after the ride and the one J is done…. Does the plant provide anymore? Can we get the POI we seek and any actual weight or is that counter?

 

[led05]

Electric lady X rainbow breeze looking pretty freaking awesome.
Zamaldelica X Congo
Popped two Sudanese from TRSC

You can see the fat, but still very beautiful seedlings - imho ideal mix is 85/15 give or take….

many wanna claim pure, but pure often is lacking… now 85/15….

for marketing purposes better to call it 80/20… bla bla bla… but I’d rather 90/10 lean than 80/20

peace bro

 

[GreenAndFast]

You can see the fat, but still very beautiful seedlings - imho ideal mix is 85/15 give or take….

many wanna claim pure, but pure often is lacking… now 85/15….

for marketing purposes better to call it 80/20… bla bla bla… but I’d rather 90/10 lean than 80/20

peace bro

Yeah I agree man. Let's see how they do over the next few months

 

[willydread]

You can see the fat, but still very beautiful seedlings - imho ideal mix is 85/15 give or take….

many wanna claim pure, but pure often is lacking… now 85/15….

for marketing purposes better to call it 80/20… bla bla bla… but I’d rather 90/10 lean than 80/20

peace bro

Usually I select towards the side as nld as possible (aesthetically I like pheno nld), I haven't tried this cross yet but I'm pretty sure that if it is dominant rb it starts a little more wld and after some internodes it becomes more nld, electric lady is more wld (within the limits of course) ...
If you look at plant genetics you will find meao thai (which in the initial phase is a little more wld) and Malawi (which is unashamedly wld-e imho hibrid) ... But I swear I have not used indica in my crosses " to select the most suitable pheno indoor"

 

[GreenAndFast]

perfect willydread

 

[JohnnyChicago]

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My buddy; after the ride and the one J is done…. Does the plant provide anymore? Can we get the POI we seek and any actual weight or is that counter?

If it has been possible with the pure inbred Original Haze, where it was thought to be impossible, as to much inbred, fucked up, hay, etc. etc.
Then nothing is impossible.

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Seems like the more a person inbreed haze the wispier less full it gets. Idk obviously just seems that way.

My Original Haze lines have not gotten whispier through inbreeding compared to the OH they are originated from. Indeed you can find plants that look like the OH's in SamS californian greenhouse or SamS OH mother in Holland in the 90s.
So you are very wrong there, Sub with your observation. At least concerning my breeding.

Multi Haze is no inbreeding for me. But enlarging the genepool or linebreeding.
Indeed it's exact the opposite process, than what I have done on the OH, where I have separated the lines and bred the weird stuff out.
When you blend OH selections together, the weird stuff is back and you will need to do parts of the selection work again. That is what you are seeing and how it does work.

very wheaty looking jc,
you think due to genetics , environment or ??
be a hell of a prune to get each calyx enough to make a bag ...

In reality, if I have understood well, the plants on the pics got cobbed all together and then sold to/in a US dispensary.
They are a step ahead there it seems.
And they are easy to get into the bag. You only need to rub with 2 fingers along the stem or the branch and let the calyxes fall in your bag.

​Or harvest the plants and put them straight upside down into the washing machine. That 's the easiest.

Myself do consider the pearl bud forming an anomalie. That I do not want in my breeding lines. As I have already the fasciation as mutation.
I know it is caused by breeding for some very specific traits and clearly favorized by environment. Some greenhouses seem to favorize it. Genetic or not, I do not know.

The Demon Latcher is interesting on that subject. If I remember well the breeder said the pearl bud forming does come from the Oaxaca side. Not from the OH.


Below OT1 x OH inbred, done with the same Ot1OH male used in the MUlti Haze.

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[Sub24ox7]

Great information! I have 10 of your seedsman haze in 1 gallon pots atm in veg/sexing around 5 almost 6 weeks old. Will start 20 more ASAP. Thank you for your haze work!!
also growing some purple haze, pan-o-haze, and pan-o-haze x 87 Nl

 

[CannaRed]

JohnnyChicago
​​​​​​​I'm sorry for asking this again, but my memory is shot.
is your Multi Haze what others are calling the Icmag Haze?

 

[olday]

How I feel running NLDs in my tent

 

[CannaRed]

VietBlack x Lieu Hahn in 3x3

OHaze x PurpAl bx1 Green pheno

 

[Ur Humbl Nr8tor]

Going to be an interesting year Sativa (NLD) lovers!!

 

[funkyhorse]

First girls of the season
2 Durban girls from defunct seedbank Cannabiogen, both have PM in my humid environment

Senegal Haze x (Seedsman Hz x Ohz90) freak, she took long time in veg until she started growing normally
From this

To this

Another Senegal Haze girl this time from cut which made banana indoors. Amazing organoleptics. I wonder if she will grow banana free outdoors from cut or if it is just wishful thinking. On the back is Pachamama Haze

And this is the curious girl of the season so far
Mango pepper, Zamal landrace hybrid. I have 2 girls so far
She is growing horizontal branches at 90 degrees. I never seen something like this before. I am curious how she will hold the buds

Her sister dont branch like that

Have a peaceful and healthy week everybody