Revival of the REVIVAL of the ULTIMATE SATIVA THREAD a.k.a R.U.S.T II

[coconutcurry]

you mean the plant gave you multiple harvest ? when did the grow started then ?

No, I mean my plants are completely different. This is a self made polyhybrid cross and it is rather instable. It ranges from sativa mostly to pure sativas. Some plants were done after 11 weeks and some are still flowering. Tomorrow the 16th week finishes and I have one plant which buds are still growing! The lower part of that bud is ripe and at the top it is growing and growing and growing. I guess this plant will keep on growing for some more weeks, but I'm tiered of that and will chop her in one or two weeks. I won't run my 600 w lamp for just one plant.

Concerning multiple harvests: I never chop the whole plant, because usually some buds are ripe and some not. Some buds get more light, other less. I only cut the ripe buds and let the rest keep on growing. My scrog was chaos and some buds were covered by other buds and after chopping some plants the lower buds get more light and I give them some more time. I harvest by and by. You need patient anyway. 16 weeks flowering and 4 weeks veg means 5 month from seed to crop. But the weed is great and I don't mind its an instable cross, because it's my own stash and all plants are potent and interesting. This is something for phenotype-hunters. ;-) What you see on the pictures got less to do with the parents. Completely different plants. I think genetics from former ancestors appeared. I like the red/purple phenos. Out of 11 plants, three were red/purple.

 

[oldbootz]

swazi gives the best kind of high!

 

[La Buena Hierba]

Angola Roja #2 (CBD) first week of flowering under 24hour led light surviving in coner (autoflowering rootbound)

more of Angola Roja/ Red on this link/url
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?p=8159212&posted=1#post8159212

ore look in mine breeders section


Peace LBH

 

[La Buena Hierba]

LBH's Autoflowering SSSDH

LBH's Autoflowering SSSDH

LBH's Autoflowering SSSDH
a F4 of the Cross of mine proven Autoflowering Sour Diesel Haze(auto SDH) ,with the SSSDH (Ojd Cut) Reservoir Seed
the cup winner in a autoflowering form .

3 hafe weeks into flowering 24hour led light

 

[Gr33nSanta]

those red ufos are only good to use as a heater, I threw mine in the trash around 5 years ago! Since you have COBs in the background I dont know that I would bother with the red ufo.

 

[La Buena Hierba]

yes Gr33nSatna i put it in exstra next to the 18 x 3500k leds i put in the red ufo in for fun (i had it already') indeed no effect i think

 

[satva]

Punto Rojo

Punto Rojo

Original Haze, came down today. Im impressed with this girl. Im going to make some crosses with her if she smokes as good as she looks. Ideally, Id want to get her to finish by early December while preserving her profile.
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Hey sampson, great work from Texas....

Your Haze looks like the classic Punto Rojo which is Colombian green with red points (punto rojo).

somewhere on icmag SamS notes that he started Original Haze with three Punto Rojo. Your pheno-type looks like the classic Colombian Punto Rojo ~ green with red points (Punto Rojo).

The high should be kind'a profound, no?

 

[hard rain]

Don't mean to offend anyone but autoflower varieties seem to me to be the opposite of what you want in an ultimate sativa. IMO sativa's reach their best when given a full long grow season.

I still struggle with hybrids like super silver haze, JH, SD etc being described as sativa.

 

[JohnnyChicago]

Panama x OHaze, 16 days of 12/12

 

[La Buena Hierba]

Don't mean to offend anyone but autoflower varieties seem to me to be the opposite of what you want in an ultimate sativa. IMO sativa's reach their best when given a full long grow season.

I still struggle with hybrids like super silver haze, JH, SD etc being described as sativa.

im not offended from what you think.
i have selected and created the autoflowering Sativa/Haze lines for the nordic outdoor growers !!
so they can to grow thise powerful Sativa's and have the sativa high experience only few places on earth can grow outdoors ..now we can grow everywhere.
i found a lot of autoflowering in pure sativa lines like in Thai , zamal ,angola,,
and mine autoflowers are long flowering afther 5 weeks they start showing sex and starts to flower ..some 18 weeks

tel me how you struggle calling mine autoflowers sativa..
manny % can we caL something sativa...
for example my lasted autoflowering Haze/sativa angola haze .
let count back how this one started long time ago.
i crosst a auto AK47 to pure TFD O Haze kloon from seed mid 90.

so auto AK47
1 lowryder »»»Williams Wonder x Northern Lights #2 x Mexico
X
2 AK47 »»» Colombia x Mexico x Thailand x Afghanistan

i cross this with the old TFD O Haze cloon
Haze »»» Mexico x Colombia x Thailand x India

so i got now selected this cross Haze X auto AK47 til 100% autoflowering F4 on the haze phenos.

i selected a F4 Haze X auto AK47 male and crosst it back to the same TFD O Haze cloon this cross is now know as
LBH auto Haze#1 (most bigger sativa autoflowers ore super auto you see ath other seedbanks are coming from this line)

so i got auto Haze#1, 100% autoflowering
i lost the old TDF orginale Haze cut/cloon that time
and i contected Ace seeds to find a other pure haze/sativa
to cross to improve it a bit.
dubi sey he found in the Meao Thai lines sometimes autoflowering types so i orderd a pack of
Green Haze x Thai
Oldtimers Haze Green Pheno x Meao Thai F1

i selected a great male and crosst it again to the autoHaze#1
this cross i selected and worked til 100% auto this line is called auto Haze#2

now i crosst this auto Haze #2 to the autoflowering Angola#2
auto Angola Haze ..lol
this is autoflowering ..can we call it Sativa ... please let me know .
i got autoflowering lines that have even more pure sativa in them than angolahaze

i got more LBH's auto sativa\haze lines
i got panama ,auto thai ,afrikaan ,and more pure sativa lines crosst into autoflowers the high effect long flowerinmg is great no indica stoned fount in there

autoflowers nordic outdoor.(in Amsterdam )

(LBH's auto panama haze)

LBH's autoflowering landrace Thai X auto Haze#2 F2

LBH's Auto Asian Haze

autoHaze#2 X#1

LBH's auto thai haze

peace LBH

 

[Samson4]

Hey sampson, great work from Texas....

Your Haze looks like the classic Punto Rojo which is Colombian green with red points (punto rojo).

somewhere on icmag SamS notes that he started Original Haze with three Punto Rojo. Your pehno-type look like the classic Colombian Punto Rojo ~ green with red points (Punto Rojo).

The high should be kind'a profound, no?

Do you remember how he described the terpene profile? I cant imagine anyone describing this plant without words like fruity and sweet. Last time I grew her I didn't dial her in and I had to move her inside before she really ripened. Even then the high was sensual and intense.

 

[bigherb]

Hey sampson, great work from Texas....

Your Haze looks like the classic Punto Rojo which is Colombian green with red points (punto rojo).

somewhere on icmag SamS notes that he started Original Haze with three Punto Rojo. Your pehno-type look like the classic Colombian Punto Rojo ~ green with red points (Punto Rojo).

The high should be kind'a profound, no?

Let’s never forget G is the originator of Santa Cruz Original Haze . Sams is to thank for spreading and preserving the OHaze Genetics but not the creation

Abit of his post below

I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it. The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains
SamS

I understand the point of your post and I agree . since I first learned of the Haze being of Punto Rojo lineage . I noticed all these traits in old and present stock of both lines

Much Respect to G SamS and to DJ


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[bigherb]

Do you remember how he described the terpene profile? I cant imagine anyone describing this plant without words like fruity and sweet. Last time I grew her I didn't dial her in and I had to move her inside before she really ripened. Even then the high was sensual and intense.

bigherb,
"sam can u describe the ohaze smell n taste?"

Fruity, Sweet & Sour, Rootbeer, Cola, Chocolate, very /resinous hashy smell and taste.
SamS


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[MAHA KALA]

tom hill haze, green pheno. citric and sour.

 

[Samson4]

bigherb,
"sam can u describe the ohaze smell n taste?"

Fruity, Sweet & Sour, Rootbeer, Cola, Chocolate, very /resinous hashy smell and taste.
SamS


1luvbigherb

That is it. I couldn't pin it down but it is rootbeer. I don't smell chocolate or sour though. It's mostly sweet and fruity with a strong undertone of rootbeer.

 

[MAHA KALA]

thh, chocolate pheno

 

[the_niño]

how long those tom hill hazes usually run for you maha kala ??

 

[bigherb]

That is it. I couldn't pin it down but it is rootbeer. I don't smell chocolate or sour though. It's mostly sweet and fruity with a strong undertone of rootbeer.

I believe SamS was describing popular traits of the four main Phenos . Magenta Gold blue silver

Happyhi posted a more detailed description awhile later ,don’t know why I can’t find it here but it’s quoted at other sites , look below


the four plants emerged right from the get go, remember there was no serious breeding program, just pollen chucking. It originated from a punto rojo seed and then was breed to itself for the duration of it's existence.
the four plants were
1. OH- purple calyxes green leaves, did not turn purple due to cold. red sap.
rich deep smoke, very very sweet, down to the last hit, many thought it tasted like
smoking juicy fruit with a very rich finish. no incense smell
2.Magenta- often referred to as the root beer plant because that's how it tasted to many.
3.light green almost silver blue- my favorite, we used to call it Bilko weed, cause we would watch lots of sargent bilko and laugh our asses off along with a bit of the honeymooners. this was the closest thing to smoking acid, very very clear and up.
taste was sweet but much spicier than the others, peppery sweet and very expansive.
4. green/brown- this plant had the most incense smell and was probably the most like old school high altitude mexican. i can't remember how the taste was different except that it was old school tasting, not as sweet more musky.
These memories are old as am i, so my apologies if they aren't as descriptive as some.


My Favorite post/ description from Happhi , is just like the Haze type I grew up on in NYC .Dutchgrown was describing what she was referred to as a keeper plant after smoking with Nevil



Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutchgrown View Post
A predominately pissy pine, with a slight hint of spice I'd call akin to sandalwood...although certainly dominated by the pine flavor throughout (being more pronounced).

someone finally nailed it, this is the very best description of the shit that i have seen, describes what i would refer to as the number 4 plant of the original haze.
imho, it smells like cat piss a bit late in flower and after the cure takes on the pine, sandalwood was the word!
it had to be the Nam Rengo Kyo
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[coconutcurry]

Last pics of my scrog before I will bring down the rest next days.I think I harvested 70%, this is the rest.

Scrog is all but a perfect solution, because it means much chaos and much more work. But it is the only way to squeeze many tall plants into a narrow, tiny room and use the light as effective as possible. The plants look terrible, but the crop is great.
(edit: 'great crop' means I will have at least 1.3 gram per watt, maybe even a bit more and my cross is just an average yielder and I like my weed rather dry. If someone would scrog like this using a high yielder you can have even more. Scrog is very effective.
I had only one plant out of eleven, which was a really good yielder and this was the only plant I gave a name (El Monstruo) because this one grew unbelievable vigorous and needed much more water and fertilizer than other. It always seemed like the plant sucked out the 20 liter pot. But the rest of my plants I would just call average yielder.)

The rest of my chaos. Still buds are growing everywhere. Day 113. Older pics of this scrog can be found in my albums.

 

[coconutcurry]