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Forest20

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Is that Barry Manolo? haha..oh:joint: You have to love life and all that it throw at you...the good and the bad
 

BENJI

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Hehehe rick Bro u gotta stop smoking that cheese its sending you crazy!!
 

Forest20

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Well englishrick I have no idea... I just like asking question and researching info that is all.
 

englishrick

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if a female can turn male from enviroment,,,,,an a male can turn female from enviroment

is sex not only due to enviroment........

if the enviroment is constant do we consider that a TRUE reperesentation of DNA

i dont get it
 

Forest20

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What I got from that...."Enviroment" being the controlling factor it may not be so correct in the overall picture...what about UV-A and UV-B. It may mean a lot or have no relevant in plant development?...I do not know:joint:
 

englishrick

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when canna plants are put into an NEW enviroment an breed openly...eventualy inderviduals aclimatize to that enviroment an then more so the progrecny from said plants,,,,

adding or taking away UVA or UVB is similar to changing enviroment,,,,imo,,,,its very interesting

when we maintain enviroment and breed,,,,things get crazy,,,,i would like to know more

when inderviduals are first subjected to a new enviroment the expreshion of the DNA changes,,but if this enviroment is maintained, then that progrency evolves differently from identical seedstock in a different enviroment...,,,,,,,,,,,,,im pretty sure this is all true!

i just seems to me,,, like the interaction between DNA and its enviroment controles everything,,,,,,we controle enviroment, so we controle everything
 

GreenintheThumb

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when canna plants are put into an NEW enviroment an breed openly...eventualy inderviduals aclimatize to that enviroment an then more so the progrecny from said plants,,,,

Is english your first language?


adding or taking away UVA or UVB is similar to changing enviroment,,,,imo,,,,its very interesting

Light is part of the environment. It's not similar to changing the environment, it IS changing the environment. The idea that UV light has a lot to do with trichome production or potency has been an ongoing topic for years. Some pretty smart people have looked into it. Perhaps you should use the search feature...



when we maintain enviroment and breed,,,,things get crazy,,,,i would like to know more

when inderviduals are first subjected to a new enviroment the expreshion of the DNA changes,,but if this enviroment is maintained, then that progrency evolves differently from identical seedstock in a different enviroment...,,,,,,,,,,,,,im pretty sure this is all true!

I can't pretend like i know what you're saying/asking

i just seems to me,,, like the interaction between DNA and its enviroment controles everything,,,,,,we controle enviroment, so we controle everything

The interaction between genes and environment is the PHENOTYPE the plants show us. If you control/change the environment the phenotype will change. If you give your favorite clone to your friend and he grows it outdoors or in a different set up than you use it won't look exactly the same. It may taste a bit different or have bigger/smaller leaves all sorts of traits will be expressed differently. However, controlling the environment is not "everything" and when it comes to breeding you're barely scratching the surface. Examining phenotypes is ONE method to getting a small glimpse at a plant's DNA (genotype) and when it comes to breeding it's certainly not the most important method. True breeders understand the differences between genotype and phenotype and they truly control everything. By changing allele frequencies in the population they control the genotypes and phenotypes you will eventually be able to see.
 

englishrick

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englishrick said:
when canna plants are put into an NEW enviroment an breed openly...

eventualy, inderviduals will aclimatize to that enviroment an then more so the progrecny from said plants,,,,

Is english your first language?

yes but expression in text is a problem for me



englishrick said:
adding or taking away UVA or UVB is similar to changing enviroment,,,,imo,,,,its very interesting

Light is part of the environment. It's not similar to changing the environment, it IS changing the environment. The idea that UV light has a lot to do with trichome production or potency has been an ongoing topic for years. Some pretty smart people have looked into it. Perhaps you should use the search feature...

yes,,,,,adding UVB, IS Changing enviroment,,,,,i wonder what effect adding UVB will have on the progrency of supplimented plants

friends of mine have added UVB to there indoor gows ,,,,i didnt see mutch difference,,,, thats why i dont work with UVB tubes anyways




englishrick said:
when we maintain enviroment and breed,,,,things get crazy,,,,i would like to know more

when inderviduals are first subjected to a new enviroment the expreshion of the DNA changes,,but if this enviroment is maintained, then that progrency evolves differently from identical seedstock in a different enviroment...,,,,,,,,,,,,,im pretty sure this is all true!

I can't pretend like i know what you're saying/asking.

i was just making a statement,,,,,

it basicly says,,,,the interaction between DNA and its enviroment results in expreshion of phenotype.....an the enviroment effects the seeds,,, "different enviroments = toataly different seeds,,even if they are both from the same seedstock"



englishrick said:
i just seems to me,,, like the interaction between DNA and its enviroment controles everything,,,,,,we controle enviroment, so we controle everything


The interaction between genes and environment is the PHENOTYPE the plants show us. If you control/change the environment the phenotype will change. If you give your favorite clone to your friend and he grows it outdoors or in a different set up than you use it won't look exactly the same. It may taste a bit different or have bigger/smaller leaves all sorts of traits will be expressed differently. However, controlling the environment is not "everything" and when it comes to breeding you're barely scratching the surface. Examining phenotypes is ONE method to getting a small glimpse at a plant's DNA (genotype) and when it comes to breeding it's certainly not the most important method. True breeders understand the differences between genotype and phenotype and they truly control everything. By changing allele frequencies in the population they control the genotypes and phenotypes you will eventually be able to see.

i agree with all this,,,,,,but i think, controling enviroment ,,,selective breeding,, aclimatization, an hybridization will change everything given time,,
 

GMT

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You cannot change sex at all. You can make a plant grow the sexual parts of the opposte sex, but you are not changing the sex of that plant. The sex is determined by DNA. The growth of the opposite sex's reproductive systems is down to the combination of dna and environment.

On a side note, I think you need to decide if the thread is about song lyrics, famous poeple's quotes, or theories on breeding techniques, as most people wont want to wade through nonsense to discuss serious stuff or through serious stuff to get to nonsense.
 

englishrick

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i know gmt........its getting silly......but "we" disagree on SOmany points as a comunity....

today i heard of another person finding a male in a new fem outcross.....how mad is that.... they are sayin its defo not a hermi too.....

btw,,,i applyed STS to the cheese yesterday to..:)....its on bro!!
 

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Forest20 said:
I saying would this method cut down on repeatabilty down the road?
The reason i am saying this is because in female vert can also produce males seeds as well.

forest seems to agree with males coming from xx chromozone crosses....
 

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cannabis has evolved the "secretion" of THC ,and other chemicals, in order to block UV rays from mutating cell DNA. the oldest strains are thought to have evolved in mountain areas where UV's are higher. but you already knew that, or did you, i dont know what you know rick your a crazy guy!


where is this thread going?

what do you want to do? or are you just trying to learn some stuff? and have random banter.
 

GreenintheThumb

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cannabis has evolved the "secretion" of THC ,and other chemicals, in order to block UV rays from mutating cell DNA. the oldest strains are thought to have evolved in mountain areas where UV's are higher. but you already knew that, or did you, i dont know what you know rick your a crazy guy!

:dueling:

:laughing:

Got any proof? One word: speculative.
 
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