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I was reading recently about a white widow clone called “Sharon”. Like to find that.
We started working with the original White Widow in the mid 90's. At the time she was a very popular in Holland as a clone, but the seeds from it were useless because it was a sativa-ish multiple hybrid. Very unstable with loads of pheno's and low yielding.
So slowly but surely we started to cross in resinous indica's and we got real positive feedback that it was such a good Widow.
Then we started stablelising her on that indica pheno. Around 2002 we had a stable uniform indica type of White Widow. People have always been raving about this type with great results and enourmous yields.
Funnily enough we never got one complaint that our White Widow was practically nothing like the original White Widow anymore! More indica-ish than the original sativa-ish. Although the end product is very similar.
Then we thought that it wasn't a bad idea to bring back something original again, just for those interested. Hence the original Black/White Widow (Shanti).
We're not sure if we will keep this one, as it is very instable. Mind you, there might be some very nice individuals in there.
The best option is to find the original seed line that won the cup and like it or not that is shantibabas White widow that was re named black widow when he sold his share of GHS and started MrNice.
The Aloha widow is claimed to be a clone stolen from the WW plant on display at the cup and if you believe that then your not smart.
Why would you recommend F2s or hybrids of the Widow if some ones after the original widow ?.
All F1s need selecting threw but it pays off and the widow is a unique line in its own right.
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Why send people to a Chevy dealer is there after a BMW.
I also read many say Nivanna Widow was good to.
I was surprised that in 2015 - last time I visited Amsterdam - I found some bud that was tagged as White Widow x Skunk#1 and it actually had a lot more of that old Widow in it than the versions coming out of the MrNice seeds. I found that one at the Bulldog of all places, very commercial coffee shop in the heart of the red-light district of Amsterdam inner city (I think it’s taunted as the oldest or first coffee shop of Amsterdam but I don’t know if it’s true). I was very surprised when I bought a few grams of it and rolled a few joints before going on a short canal tour with a friend. It had that special Widow smell and taste and the effects were along the lines of what a Widow x Skunk should smoke like in my opinion. Much, Much better than the Shark Shock in all regards and that is weed coming from a very commercial coffee shop in 2015…
Hmmm.
Wasn’t it the clone/buds that won the cup rather than the seedline?
Clearly it was a female selected plant from f1 seed that is normally how its done.
I grew 2 white tigers from Hazeman got a male and female .Awesome smoke real nice organic cali outdoor grown. I liked his madness and Stardog best tho but the White Tiger was very interesting.
So are you saying that MrNice still have ”the original” Widow, exactly the same as the seed and flower sold in the 1990s? How many different Widows did you try, both seeds grown by you and flowers grown by others in say Amsterdam? Just curious as you seem so set on Shanti having the ”original” still. My experience is (as usual with you) opposite.
I have grown a lot of White Widow from the mid 90s and I had a few friends that used to grow Widow a lot. The version I call the original came in flower form pretty much all over the place in Europe in the 90s and the seeds came from Greenhouse Seed Company in the 90s. I grew and smoked a lot of Great White Shark which came later in 1996-97 and it was a cross of Super Skunk x White Widow. I have also grown the offerings from MrNice such as Black Widow and Shark Shock and I can tell you first hand that they are not showing those expressions they did in the 90s any more. The Shark Shock even got a new pedigree when Shanti changed the name and it states on their official website that it is now Skunk x Widow.
I had a real life opportunity to compare the Great White Shark from Greenhouse anno 1997 with the 2014 version of Shark Shock from MrNice side by side as one of my friends that used to grow a lot of widow and hybrids in the 90s found a bag of seeds when moving and I managed to get one seed from those old seeds to germinate and after months of almost no growth I got it to grow into a plant that I flowered out. It’s not a scientific certainty at all just my subjective experience but the old single seed of GWS was just like the old Widow hybrids, if you tried that old 90s version you’ll know it when you try it again. I grew four different expressions of the new version Shark Shock and compared them at the same time and they are nothing like the old GWS. Smell, taste and effects are very different in the new version expressions compared to that old acrid, funky and ammonia expression of GWS. It’s not only the Widow part that seem to be missing in the new versions but also the Super Skunk used in the 90s (Nevil’s Super Skunk) is not the same as the ”Skunk” used in this new version according to Shanti.
I was surprised that in 2015 - last time I visited Amsterdam - I found some bud that was tagged as White Widow x Skunk#1 and it actually had a lot more of that old Widow in it than the versions coming out of the MrNice seeds. I found that one at the Bulldog of all places, very commercial coffee shop in the heart of the red-light district of Amsterdam inner city (I think it’s taunted as the oldest or first coffee shop of Amsterdam but I don’t know if it’s true). I was very surprised when I bought a few grams of it and rolled a few joints before going on a short canal tour with a friend. It had that special Widow smell and taste and the effects were along the lines of what a Widow x Skunk should smoke like in my opinion. Much, Much better than the Shark Shock in all regards and that is weed coming from a very commercial coffee shop in 2015…
It seem to be par for the course with MrNice to re-work the lines which isn’t a knock at all but saying they are ”exactly” the same or pretending that the exact same parent plants were used making the new versions is dishonest in my book. Even if you start new seeds from the same bags of seeds that produced the male and female parents of the first released version, it’s not exactly the same, even if you follow the same steps and even if the same guy selects the new parents and make a new versions, it’s not the same. Sometimes people are able to improve or get close but it’s not the exact same thing any more and they (serious seed merchants) should really be more specific when they use those old names that mean something for some of us that actually tried them back then. You would be pretty pissed off if the ice cream company you favor suddenly came out with a new batch of chocolate ice cream that tasted strawberries. Nothing wrong with strawberries but if you buy old trusted chocolate and get strawberries you feel cheated and rightfully so.
Do you have some full plant pictures of that (widow I guess it is but you never specified what it was in those pictures of some flowers you posted in the same post as your Widow opinion) plant? How many expressions (phenotypes) did you find when growing the Black Widow? Did they all look like those ones? How was the spread in structure and in smell/taste/high? When did you grow those Black Widows (when where the seeds made)?
If People are after white widow seed to grow my suggestion would be Mrnice OR Navanna seeds as every one knows they do knock offs F2s at best but i have herd great things about Navannas Widow.
Hi Happy yep MrNice or Nirvana seeds.
So you're still recommending MrNice Black Widow, even after not growing any recent stock?
You might have the last legit WW/BW from Shanti before the raids turned his stock into dutch bunk.
I can't speak on the Nirvana WW but if someone wants to take that route I would suggest they get Regular seeds instead of fems.
Let not forget Joey Weed has Legit 90's Greehouse seeds WW F2's .