Responsible ethical Breeders Needed!

[zamalito]

I got a few really cool things from him I will have propagated and spred around before too long. His germ rates were really starting to suffer and I think he got overwhelmed. A guy in the states had promised to do propagation for him that never came through. I really thought his santa marta and manga rosa would be around forever so I didn't keep make more seeds. Hopefully someone else will continue these lines

 

[Reign of Terror]

so sad, so sad, i wanted that amarelo soooooo bad, such a terrible loss to the cannabis community, and the sad thing is, a lot of people didnt even know about him and his preservation

 

[- ezra -]

Hey guys. I never heard of Fritzman, does he go by another name? Its good too see you on the boards again Zam.

 

[Ronley]

Hey guys. I never heard of Fritzman, does he go by another name? Its good too see you on the boards again Zam.

Me too, who is Fritzman?

 

[fjällhöga]

Mr. G preserved the cherry bomb through a bag of maui waui

you have to do open pollenation, its the only way to keep the gene pool as wide as possible, this is how you preserve a strain to a certain extent. stabilizing and selecting phenos is after youve stabilized a wide gene pool.

This is to 100% correct , the same with Tom Hills varieties and certains f2 ers out there ...

 

[zamalito]

He was the owner of brazilian seed company. A company devoted to preserving south american landrace. He had all of the good old columbians that he was about to release in their pure form. He also had some nice hawaiians and and about a hald dozen africans that weren't available.

 

[Guest]

Sad news

 

[zamalito]

His website is:
http://fritzman.tripod.com.br/BSC
if you wish to contact him but please only if you're very serious about ordering. I'm trying to talk him into coming back and people emailing him to ask questions without being serious about ordering might make things more dificult.

 

[Guest]

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[PazVerdeRadical]

Zamalito, tell your buddie that without perseverence and patience, there's nothing... some guys need to mature and stop living in idealized worlds of communal helping each other... fact is, if you find only 1 person out there who thinks similar to you and your missions, you are one lucky bastard. if can't find anyone, hey! you still have yourself.

these boards are great since there's a free exchange of growing information and other cannabis related topics, free of charge, everyone contributes willingly at their own pace; without pressures that if certain poster doesn't do this or that by certain dead-line, the helping party threatens to stop helping all together... sounds weird... but hey, don't wanna sound like an asshole, but sounds brazilian, that's why i never went back there, talk about crazed egoes...

peace and love.

 

[zamalito]

Yeah as always I agree with you Paz. I think (and am hoping) he may continue his work. He's just ending the business end of things. I'm sure afropips can attest that the business side of things is frustrating. Some breeders catch on as the flavor of the week and make millions selling f1's of other peoples genetics and some work very hard and get nowhere. We're either in or heading towards a spot where there's just so many seed breeders and fewer people buying seeds. Preservation work requires a lot of resources and when you have 40 landraces no money and no help it gets insanely difficult.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

Zamalito, i hear you, and i know what it is like to be overwhelmed by works that escape the possibilities that just one man can't do; but there's no need to end the business side of things, there's good times and bad times in business, and if you close down just because times are rough, when the time comes when demand for your products arise again, you'll miss out... while business is bad there's always other things to do, like dedicating oneself to preservation; if 40 strains are too many, choose the ones you like most and work with them, who knows what the future may bring... anyway, i bet he has his reasons for doing what he is doing, but to blame others for not helping and this stopping what you say you love to do sounds crazy to me.
one love man, always good talking to you.
peace.

 

[- ezra -]

I had a look at the site - would be a shame to loose all the work he has put into preserving and making available the brasilian (and columbian) landraces. I think there are many breeders out there such as him who put in a lot of work and have good intentions as well as good genetics, but they fail to capture the market because of no background in marketing.

Of course correct marketing goes a long way. I cant believe how little work goes into marketing for some of these breeders. It is simply not enough to be a good breeder. If you cannot captivate people and get them interested in the product your not going to be successful no matter how good the product is. For example I cant believe some breeders go to such little trouble that they dont have pictures of their strains, or have very low quality pictures. Sometimes the description of the strain is absent or very short. I think many breeders are a little naive when it comes to marketing, and that is a huge part of why the dont succeed.

 

[Guest]

I'm going to put my 2 cents in here. I would hate to see any company and breeder call it quits. I can understand where they are coming from with all the work and not showing a good sales or even thanks for your hard work. Yes, other's have done well with crosses and have made a bunch of money. I know it cost alot to maintain what you have for strain, but i'd have to agree. Don't call it quits, because things will get better. I'm going to have to agree with ezra. I think marketing has a big roll also in selling seeds. I'm in the middle of makin up a bunch of t-shirts for when i return to the business. I had a couple of crosses that have done well and i plan to work them even more. There is signs for a demand for them and i'm going to market them well. With good to great grow threads and good marketing. I think you could do well. I hope you will take a step back and just look at things. Maybe running some ad's in one of the major magazine will increase sales or even running a banner ad here. I'm just trying to help and i hope i'm not upsetting anyone. It would be sad to lost these strains and i hope it doesn't happen. I'd love to grow some of these strains out at a later time. Good luck and i hope for the best.
Take care,
BG

 

[zamalito]

Hopefully at the very least we can learn from others mistakes. One of the biggest mistakes he made was relying on the promises of others. There's a lot of guys out there who have dreams of becoming breeders but either aren't being practical about how to go about doing so or don't have the drive and motivation to accomplish their dream. I believe fritzman kept promises to quite a few who did not keep the promises on their side and ended up getting quite discouraged in the process.

 

[Closet Funk]

I would be dedicated for sure if I had the space. I'm just going to grow and learn and continue to select the best plants I can. Later in the future when I have more knowledge and if I have the space then I'll try breeding. I'm not the person who just wants to make crosses and just sell them. I want to work with special genetics and get them right before I even release them to the world. We all know this takes time and doesn't happen overnight. Most breeders have been growing for 20 years and are just now fullfilling their dreams. I think I got a few nice strains to work with already. I have more I want to get. Right now I have like 10+ strains I really want to ahold of for future breeding purposes. Alot of them are landrace based strains and IBL's. I figure why not start with strains that are worth breeding with. Who knows I might be able to pull out something nice with the other strains I got too. We will see. Untill then I'm just going to keep on growing and collecting the strains I want. Maybe one day I'll be on Seedbay with the others sharing my genetics with the world of cannabis growers.

 

[Daytripper]

Ok so i guess the making of Mr. G's Cherry Bomb is fake?

No , I'm not saying its fake . I have respect for MR.G, he is /was a great teacher and hope he is well.

Now about preservation, a male can only pass on 50 % of his genes same with a female 50%. Can you see that 50 % is also lost from each parent ? This is why large numbers of seeds need to be made if one really wants to preserve.

Why are you trying to insult me?

I'm not trying to insult you by telling the facts. I would hope you will continue to learn.

I crave learning more about cannabis and am a lonely soul, cannabis is my life. I seek equals, and if that means correcting then so be it. A true student of cannabis would want to be corrected since they seek truth and knowledge. I was corrected many times.

Would you rather I ignore you? When I ignore a person it means they have no potential for learning in my opinion.

I want to share everything I have learned and resources.What I really want is someone who knows so much that I can learn from them thats why I am here . Seeking to learn from todays students.

Zamilito if you can't readily obtain M Starks MJ chemistry pm me, I can help.

 

[PazVerdeRadical]

Now about preservation, a male can only pass on 50 % of his genes same with a female 50%. Can you see that 50 % is also lost from each parent ? This is why large numbers of seeds need to be made if one really wants to preserve.

hello Daytripper, so you say only 50% of genes are passed into the seed from each of its parents? um... i am pretty sure you have mis-read whatever source you have for that. check again. be well.
peace.

 

[KingRalph]

what a misconception you have made, would hate for that to be passed on as fact...

100% of the genes are carried on. 50% of the characteristics are dominant at any given time. though that is also conditional.

 

[Guest]

nice ralph - gettin all mendelian on our asses