Red dots and yellowing leaves

[pufpufgiv]

I recieved a rooted clone that was in rockwool cube on 11/8. It was 12 inches tall and its been a rooted clone for approx 3-4 months unsure of exact age. and was just getting over a slight spidermite infection. previous owner was hitting the leaves with neem for a couple weeks and then a weak solution of lemon joy and water applied w/ a brush. I inspected all the leaves and the new growth and saw no signs of anymore mites and made sure (to the best of my novice ability) it was free of infection before introducing it to my box.

on 11/12 i put the rockwool cube directly into soil and gave it r/o water at 6.0 ph. by this time the big yellow leaves that were spidermite damaged had almost all fallen off. I also took 3 cuttings to try and root.

11/16 i gave her a diluted solution of cal/mag and GH grow.
i mixed a 2 liter solution of store bought R/O water (ph 6.0) w/ .5ml cal mag and .4ml GH grow. NOTE: I didnt even give it this solution at full strength i watered some other plants that left about a liter of solution in the jug. I filled the jug back up with striaght RO water and then I fed her. NO signs of spider mites.

on 11/20 most of the big leaves were yellowing at the tips and red dots were very visible. even some of the new smaller growth at the bottom were yellowing w/ red spots.

11/21....flushed heavily w/ striaght r/o water

11/23.... R/O water with a very very diluted solution of cal/mag....new growth is starting to look much better. No signs of spidermites

11/29.....LST'ed....had to bend one of the main branches over she is half inch from flouros.

12/4 ....just gave her some striaght R/O water ph. 6.0...runoff was at 6.5...... and this is how she looks right now....

well its not letting me post pics right now...i'll have to post them later...


I am a novice grower and now being after being diagnosed w/ gout am a medical user and use only for personal. I am not interested in making money from this hobby. I just want some free meds. i just picked up this hobby again after 20 years of not growing. when i grew in the 80's on the islands of Hawaii we didnt do much to the plants. hell we didnt even have to water them and got some really dank smoke not even really knowing what we were doing. Now its all down to a science. and I am trying to learn as i go how to grow indoors in a NKG type box. so please school me on the art of indoor cannabis horticulture. I am not a dumbshit and am very confident and can follow directions and can take constructive criticism. I am here to learn and share. any and all comments/suggestions are welcome.

this is start of the 2nd grow in this box....my first attempt w/ some cheap seeds went well (one of the plants are in flower right now so technically havent finished one grow yet in this box) and i learned and am learning a lot. out of 10 seeds 7 sprouted...killed 3 of them (oops). left me with 4....put them into flower to sex....3 of them are males...i have the remaining female in flower along w/ 4 chrystal plants that were started 12/12 from seed.

This clone was given to me by a friend who is entrusting me to help him keep this strain alive. he recieved several from a friend in washington who is connected to said bikers of this infamous/rare strain from the valley of mantunuska. I do not want to argue or get into the legitimacy of the strain or how it came into my possession. I just need help to keep it alive and help to dial it in and make a few more mothers bonsaia style. The smoke is definatey the most powerful smoke iver ever had in 30 yr career of pakalolo smokin and the trichs on what i smoked were all clear...wasn't even done yet and knocked u on yur ass. this is one of the best cannabis for medical treatment not to mention the high is incredible.


My mother/clone box is approx 2' H X 3' W X 2'D if has 4-2ft 20watt flouros w/ 3- 1 1/2 inch passive intakes being pulled through to a flower box directly on top (3X4X2 w/ air cooled 150 HPS) exhausted w/ a dayton 134 cfm squirrel cage blower pushing into a can filter. temps in mother/clone are steady at 70-73 degrees w/ a rh of 50 to 60. temps in flower box are 74-78 w/ a RH of 50-60.



SOIL:
What STRAIN are you growing? alaska matanuska thunder fuk
What was the establishing technique? clone
What is the age of your plants? exact age unknown...its beena rooted clone for about 3 to 4 months...was given to me at 12 inches already rooted in a rockwool cube and had cuttings taken from all over it.
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? veg 24/7
What Technique are you using? LST (just started one bend)
What size pots are you using? one litre pot
What substrate/medium are you using? was rooted in rockwoolcube put directly into a soil mix w/ 30% perlite
What Nutrient's are you using? none at this time....gave one feeding of diluted GH grow on 11/16
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? unknown...good question...need schooling here
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? 6.5
What method of pH test was administered? fil a tube to line put 3 drops match the color... i know i need a more accurate device...this is what i have right now
When was your last water? today
When was your last feeding? w/ nutes? 11/16
What size bulb are you using? 4- 20 watt flouros
What is the distance to the canopy? tops are one inch from the light
What is your RH Factor? 50-60
What is the canopy temperature? 70-73
What is the Day/Night Temp? (Include fluctuation range) 10-15 degrees if that...its not much as the box sits inside of a storage shed that has fresh air constantly being fanned in...and lights are always on in mother room.
What is the current Air Flow? (cfm etc.) 134 CFM w/ speed control
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? yes small pc fan
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? moist
Is your water HARD or SOFT? uh ..not sure
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? no..took 3 cuttings 11/12
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? neem oil weeks before i got it....just days before i got it the visible infected leaves were being washed w/ a solution of lemon joy n water
Are plant's infected with pest's? none at this time as far as i can tell...when i first got her it was just gettn over a spidermite infection. I waited till i saw no more signs of mites before i put her in my box

I will post pics as soon as the system allows me to. if anyone has or knows anything without lookn at pics pls feel free to share your experience/knowledge.

Thx IC members

aloha nui loa

edit: still not able to post pics





finally able to get a couple pics ups. these are pics from the time of original post...i will update with newer ones soon

 

[ganjaLeaving]

Hi there pufpufgiv,

my advise to you would be to keep it simple as you've learned. Get trough your first grow and then try to improve through ICmag or books.

All you need is a good PH meter. Strips will do too.

Get light.

Some fluoros will do to start your seedlings and grow then for 1 month or more. 1 will do. give them 18 hours light and 6 of total dark.

Get a good light for flowering. Like a 400w hps or better. 12 hours light 12 dark and in about 2 months you are done (depending on strain).

Dry and toke as neede

This ^^^ describes the process but it could be expanded in a 200+ pages long book or threads.

Better start your grow and knowledge will be in these forums for you to learn from.

As far as solving your current problem, fix your water PH (6 is good) if possible and water your plants when they are almost dry. They will recover. Get a good 20-20-20 fertilizer (readings on the bottle or bag of N-P-K) and feed 1/3 the recommended dose when bottom leafs start yellowing or when you fill like they are ready for it. Let dry and water again increasing the dose as plants grow.

Good luck with it.

 

[pufpufgiv]

Help Stitch!

Help Stitch!

Help Stitch! I can't post any pics. Ive been trying for 2 days. I can't PM you yet as I dont have 50 post. any way I could email you a pic of my plant?

 

[Guest]

nobody can post picts

Have you got a somplace else SAFE you can post the pict and put a link here till IC gets running again?

lil red dots and yellowing leafs sounds a lot like mites - eggs can live 2 weeks or longer

do a search over in the infermerary there has to be some pictures- see if that looks like yours

 

[Kr@kEn]

For spider mites you want to look for webs on your leaves.

The spots may just be damage from the previous infection but you may want buy yourself some Safer brand insecticidal soap to mist your plants with. Spider mites do not just die off after one treatment of anything including neem. Safer insecticidal soap will probably do the trick as long as you repeat the treatment a week later as a follow up. This should get rid of the problem if their numbers are low. Make sure you mist the tops and bottoms of the leafs and the stems. Also mist the entire pots / buckets down and the entire area with the spray. Like I said, repeat this in a week.
You can also use a garlic spray which is about as effective.
I like to use both as an extra defense against these little bastards.

After that you just need to keep an eye out for webs.
As many say, "They don't call em the borg for nothing".

 

[MynameStitch]

See if you can post a pic at another site like another mj site and link it from there; I really do not wan to comment until I see pics so I can point you into the right direction.....

 

[pufpufgiv]

finally gettn around to posting some pics.....Please advise...calcium def?













Mahalos

 

[pufpufgiv]

anyone?

 

[MynameStitch]

spotting
SOIL: soil mix/ 30% perlite
What STRAIN are you growing? mixed indoor/outdoor nirvana (cheap test seeds)
What was the establishing technique? 12/12 from seed
What is the age of your plants? 27 days
What PHASE (seedling, vegetative or flower) are the plants in? flower
What Technique are you using? none
What size pots are you using? 2 gal
What substrate/medium are you using? (percentage of perlite, vermiculite...etc?) soil mix w/ 30% perlite
What Nutrient's are you using?GH
How much of each? .4ml/gal GH Bloom-.5ml/gal cal/mag- .25ml/litre floroliciuos- .25/litre subculture
How Often? every 3-4 days
What is the TDS/EC/PPM of your nutrients used? unknown
What is the pH of the "RUN-OFF"? 6.5
What method of pH test was administered? Using Strips? pH pen? drops
How often are you watering? 3-4 days
When was your last feeding and how often are you feeding? yesterday..3-4 days
What size bulb are you using? 150 HPS air cooled
What is the distance to the canopy? 8 inches
What is your RH Factor? 50-60
What is the canopy temperature? 70-73
What is the Day/Night Temp? 6-10 degrees if that...its not much as the box sits inside of a storage shed that has fresh air constantly being fanned in...
What is the current Air Flow? 134 cfm dayton blower
Is the fan blowing directly at plants? yes a small pc fan
Is the grow substrate constantly wet or moist? no
Is your water HARD or SOFT? soft
Has plant been recently pruned, cloned or pinched? took a cutting 12-8 from the bottom
Have any pest chemicals been used? If so what and when? no
Are plant's infected with pest's? no
there have been fungus gnats in the room. i put some hotshot pest strips and there gone now.

This is the only female out of a cheap mixed bag from nirvana i bought for some practice runs in my new box. i decided to go 12/12 from seed with the last 3 seeds. and this is where I'm at now. My flower box is 3'wX4'hX 20''D. 150hps air cooled
its being vented with a dayton 134 cfm blower pushing into a can filter mounted outside the box. its intake is 2- 2' PVC pipe coming in passively from the mother room that has 3- 2in pvc pipe passive intakes.

I noticed this spotting a few days ago. i thot it was light bleach as i had the plant about 4 inches from the light. I droped it down to about 8 inches above the tops. I also noticed roots are coming out the holes in the bottom of the pot.
anyways here are some pics. pls school me.


Why did ya make a new thread? I was going to post in the other thread..........

Anyways I am going to post here......

 

[MynameStitch]

.4ml/gal GH Bloom-.5ml/gal cal/mag- .25ml/litre floroliciuos- .25/litre subculture

can you tell me how much added with all that... cause I don't see how you can add that small amount to the soil....... do you mean 4 ml a gallon? Or .4 a gallon?

Either way get rid of using those drops they are worthless; you get some pH test strips to really get the right pH......

You get what you pay for, cheap soil= cheap results.....

Does it tell you if there is any ferts in the mixture or what is in the mixture?
Cause it's important it could be soiless and your pH would be off causing the spotting and such... but there I more than just pH if that is the problem......
They almost look like they are burned with your feeding every 3-4 days.. but the amounts you are using tell me something different... so I am going to go by what the plant is telling me......

looks like you are feeding them too much and your pH may be off.....

How long ago did they start showing these problems?

If you see any more gnats flying around you will have to get something to kill them off in the soil...... small amount of gnats you are saying would not do this damage; this was caused by growers error......

I bet the soil has to do with it too. I would flush that plant out with about 4 gallons of water and let it recover.... the damaged leaves won't heal you will loose some more leaves; but you gotta get this under control quickly; you are loosing a lot of fan leaves and by the time they recover you are going to lose even more......

 

[pufpufgiv]

.4ml/gal GH Grow-.5ml/gal cal/mag- .25ml/litre floroliciuos- .25/litre subculture

can you tell me how much added with all that... cause I don't see how you can add that small amount to the soil....... do you mean 4 ml a gallon? Or .4 a gallon? sorry my bad 4ml/ gal GH Grow 5ml/ gal cal/mag

Either way get rid of using those drops they are worthless; you get some pH test strips to really get the right pH......
prolly best advice given right here

You get what you pay for, cheap soil= cheap results.....

I am going to transplant into a bigger pot just picked up some ocean forest soil...ill start using that.

Does it tell you if there is any ferts in the mixture or what is in the mixture?
Cause it's important it could be soiless and your pH would be off causing the spotting and such... but there I more than just pH if that is the problem......
They almost look like they are burned with your feeding every 3-4 days.. but the amounts you are using tell me something different... so I am going to go by what the plant is telling me......

looks like you are feeding them too much and your pH may be off.....

How long ago did they start showing these problems?

since 11/21 is when i noticed the bad burn.....I flushed the plant heavily for days after i first saw the burn. I will post a updated pic 2moro as most of those big burnt leaves have fallen off. but a lot of the new small growth is yellowing


If you see any more gnats flying around you will have to get something to kill them off in the soil...... small amount of gnats you are saying would not do this damage; this was caused by growers error......

no gnats anymore...def growers error!....tell it to me straight stitch. I am here to learn

I bet the soil has to do with it too. I would flush that plant out with about 4 gallons of water and let it recover.... the damaged leaves won't heal you will loose some more leaves; but you gotta get this under control quickly; you are loosing a lot of fan leaves and by the time they recover you are going to lose even more......

I havent fed it any nutes since 11/16...its been on a straight R/O water at 6.0 ph

I'll be right back...im gna see if i can get out there and snap a newer pic.

 

[MynameStitch]

When you flushed them how much water did you use? If you don't flush right then the burn will still be there, if newer growth is yellowing then it's a micronutrient issue weather it's being caused by lockout or deficiency.

Ok, if you had not fed any nutrients since 11/16 why did you put you fed them every 3 to 4 days?

 

[The_Leader]

poke at the red dots. they move? i know of nothing that makes red dots. red mites though do exsist and will web up a plant if left to do their bidding. mites make webs to gain access to more food. a grower worth a grain of salt incorperates a bug check into daily/weekly routine. usually lil white spots are a good indicator of mites. black dots= thirp poo usually.

ph 6 in soil? i keep ph 7 in my peat based mix.

if you want ill tell you how i get rid of mites w/water and petroleum jelly. no joke or cost.

 

[MynameStitch]

How do you keep your pH peat based mixture at 7? Do you have more soil than peat in there? if so I can see ya the pH would be at 7 with no ill effects; I have never seen plants not have any problems with mostly peat based mixture and a pH of 7.....

 

[Core]

did't even read this thread .....but my guess is lockout due to wrong ph....
just had a plant like that a few ago...

 

[The_Leader]

I use 5O%peat, 25%vermiculite, and 25% perlite w/1cup dolomite lime per gal dry material or an ounce per liter. This mix is a stable 7 to 6.6. I've been using this mix for 15yrs and will not change. I self mix.

i also use a ph balanced nute. cha ching. I use CC from clone to harvest. I am a simple man and weed is simple to grow.

 

[pufpufgiv]

When you flushed them how much water did you use? If you don't flush right then the burn will still be there, if newer growth is yellowing then it's a micronutrient issue weather it's being caused by lockout or deficiency. I flushed her for 4-5 straight days. first day flushed w/ ratio 7-1....next day 5-1....next 3-1....
Ok, if you had not fed any nutrients since 11/16 why did you put you fed them every 3 to 4 days?

My bad, after I flushed her I was "Watering her" every 3-4 days. still haven't given her anything but straight R/O Water. she has had no nutes since 11/16

 

[MynameStitch]

You know what; I think that 4 to 5 day flush caused more damage than anything else; organics are released when the soil gets wet but slowly over time; so depending on how much water you used everyday you could have given them a strong dose every time you flushed.

The only way is if you flushed them without a lot of run off that is the only way they would have gotten nutrients though.

RO would explain some of the issues; when you use RO water on your plants you are not giving them any micro since RO nearly has 0 PPM's

THat is why you are supossed to suppliment with micronutrients when you use RO water. The water that you use from tap or bottled; as long as the bottled is not RO or distilled... they suppliment micros to your plant in the process of waiting to be fed; so it's like a snack till they get fed.

So I think you need to get some micronutrients first and give it to them; you have a bad imbalance, certain micronutrients are needed for proper NPK uptake, without certain amounts it can't absorb it right... so your whole plants system has to be off balance.....

If you can get your hands on some earth juice microblast since I think you still have lime in the soil right?
Your covered for calicum and magneisum; microblast lacks calcium.... but has all the other micros the plant is missing from being fed RO water.

I think that mixture is just too strong for the plant; given that the plant has been in there for some time it never had a chance to fully recover so it has been sick the whole time and never able to cope with the strength of the soil; I have seen more problems related to FFOF soil than any other soil COMBINED.