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Yeah, there was something else I wanted to say related to the subject of improving quality.
I was talking about this whole living organic soil thing with a good friend of mine a little while ago when I really started noticing the steady improvement run after run. While I have absolutely no 'scientific proof' that this is what's happening, it seems as though I'm breeding microlife that is VERY SPECIFIC to the plants I'm growing. AFAIK, specific bacteria, etc. prefer to feed on specific plants' exudates.
And not to mention the living, breathing superfresh ewc factory I have going on at the bases of every single one of my plants 24/7 and the benefits that come from that.
I was talking about this whole living organic soil thing with a good friend of mine a little while ago when I really started noticing the steady improvement run after run. While I have absolutely no 'scientific proof' that this is what's happening, it seems as though I'm breeding microlife that is VERY SPECIFIC to the plants I'm growing. AFAIK, specific bacteria, etc. prefer to feed on specific plants' exudates.
And not to mention the living, breathing superfresh ewc factory I have going on at the bases of every single one of my plants 24/7 and the benefits that come from that.
I've said in the past I felt that specific strains feed differently than others...and not just in quantity...but in preference of amendment. I was told then that N is N and P is P, etc...
But as I continued on my organic journey, it seemed to me - the more diversified my mix got, the more individual and unique the plants began to express themselves.
I still can't help but wonder if some strains like N from alfalfa and other prefer it from neem and yet other prefer it from guano, etc...and if there wasn't a specific microbial reason for this. It seems to me - if there is a range of diversity providing all the essentials - then the plant can and will pick for itself not just WHEN...but also WHAT it takes its nutrition from.
I've also been told that saying raw inputs have an impact on the flavor of the plants is nothing more than "bro science" - but my experience has taught me the exact opposite...
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If there is a specific microbial population supported by each individual plant, I imagine if you were to run beds in a mono style for say two years - and then have the soils tested from each bed - and found there to be differences in bacterial populations knowing the beds all started the same, you might just be able to put some degree of proof to the thought....
dank.Frank
But as I continued on my organic journey, it seemed to me - the more diversified my mix got, the more individual and unique the plants began to express themselves.
I still can't help but wonder if some strains like N from alfalfa and other prefer it from neem and yet other prefer it from guano, etc...and if there wasn't a specific microbial reason for this. It seems to me - if there is a range of diversity providing all the essentials - then the plant can and will pick for itself not just WHEN...but also WHAT it takes its nutrition from.
I've also been told that saying raw inputs have an impact on the flavor of the plants is nothing more than "bro science" - but my experience has taught me the exact opposite...
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If there is a specific microbial population supported by each individual plant, I imagine if you were to run beds in a mono style for say two years - and then have the soils tested from each bed - and found there to be differences in bacterial populations knowing the beds all started the same, you might just be able to put some degree of proof to the thought....
dank.Frank
What is the difference between N from alfalfa and neem? My understanding is microbes digest either producing metabolites that can be upyaken by plants but more likely get oxidized into nitrate first. I think the real difference is how much organic n is taken up vs nitrate. And then how much nitrate reductase enzyme you have in the plant.
But who really knows.
Btw...either neem or alfalfa the N should be in the form of protein if they were well grown
But who really knows.
Btw...either neem or alfalfa the N should be in the form of protein if they were well grown
FWIW, I've been using pretty much the same exact amendments from day one. Bone, blood, kelp, feathermeal, cottonmeal, chickenshit. The only thing I stopped using was the lime, and I've replaced that with oystershells and sulpomg.
I feel as though what I'm tasting in the herb are the naturally produced terpenes, which are becoming more and more pronounced every run. And I think that's coming more from what the microlife is DOING, not so much what they are EATING. But like milkyjoe said, who really knows. My mix isn't THAT diverse, I'm just making sure I put back what has been depleted and what I do know is that my weed just keeps getting better and better. The uk cheese i just chopped is like no uk cheese i've ever grown before, and ive run that cut so many times.
I feel as though what I'm tasting in the herb are the naturally produced terpenes, which are becoming more and more pronounced every run. And I think that's coming more from what the microlife is DOING, not so much what they are EATING. But like milkyjoe said, who really knows. My mix isn't THAT diverse, I'm just making sure I put back what has been depleted and what I do know is that my weed just keeps getting better and better. The uk cheese i just chopped is like no uk cheese i've ever grown before, and ive run that cut so many times.
Yeah, I'm merely speaking anecdotally...
My learned understanding is exactly as Milky just said - but *I have to wonder*...
Not that current science is wrong - but that as we continue to study and research such things on deeper levels - how much more will we find out...
And that I wouldn't be surprised if it is later discovered...my previous post...
What I do know - is your garden is looking fantastic Lap - and seeing the potential you bring out of the plants in your organic beds is nothing short of drool inducing.
dank.Frank
My learned understanding is exactly as Milky just said - but *I have to wonder*...
Not that current science is wrong - but that as we continue to study and research such things on deeper levels - how much more will we find out...
And that I wouldn't be surprised if it is later discovered...my previous post...
What I do know - is your garden is looking fantastic Lap - and seeing the potential you bring out of the plants in your organic beds is nothing short of drool inducing.
dank.Frank
It's to my understanding that the more microbes you have in that soil, the more that pheno's inherent potential will be expressed... which would explain why your terp profiles are being noticed more as you continue to feed the soil over the years. Microbial diversity is a big player in achieving full genetic potential I feel like, and plays more of a role than NPK diversity would. I would think that Nitrogen is Nitrogen, no matter the source.
Here's a bit. Most of it's above my pay grade, but it's still a decent browse and you learn a few things looking up terms/definitions.
lap,you know u have me researching this live soil thing since we were talking about it the other week ago....i been reading and idkif u already covered this in here but something i read said something like.....when u use the same live soil,after a while the soil and plants become like their own natural pesticide....it wont let bugs that will damage the environment survive in them...so i would lean towards you being right on your theory about the soil....anyways this is shit you probably already knew but i just figured id drop it on you if not...maybe someone can read it and get something from it.
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My guess is that it jump starts the SARS response
The systemic acquired resistance (SAR) is a "whole-plant" resistance response that occurs following an earlier localized exposure to a pathogen. SAR is analogous to the innate immune system found in animals, and there is evidence that SAR in plants and innate immunity in animals may be evolutionarily conserved[citation needed]. Plants use pattern-recognition receptors to recognize conserved microbial signatures. This recognition triggers an immune response. The first plant receptors of conserved microbial signatures were identified in rice (XA21, 1995)[1] and in Arabidopsis (FLS2, 2000).[2] Plants also carry immune receptors that recognize highly variable pathogen effectors. These include the NBS-LRR class of proteins. SAR is important for plants to resist disease, as well as to recover from disease once formed. SAR can be induced by a wide range of pathogens, especially (but not only) those that cause tissue necrosis, and the resistance observed following induction of SAR is effective against a wide range of pathogens, which is why SAR resistance is sometimes called "broad spectrum." SAR is associated with the induction of a wide range of genes (so called PR or "pathogenesis-related" genes), and the activation of SAR requires the accumulation of endogenous salicylic acid (SA). The pathogen-induced SA signal activates a molecular signal transduction pathway that is identified by a gene called NIM1, NPR1 or SAI1 (three names for the same gene) in the model genetic system Arabidopsis thaliana. SAR has been observed in a wide range of flowering plants, including dicotyledon and monocotyledon species. SAR can be activated in corn, however, widely adapted commercial like Benzothiadiazole may not be efficient against P. sorghi causing common rust.[3]
The systemic acquired resistance (SAR) is a "whole-plant" resistance response that occurs following an earlier localized exposure to a pathogen. SAR is analogous to the innate immune system found in animals, and there is evidence that SAR in plants and innate immunity in animals may be evolutionarily conserved[citation needed]. Plants use pattern-recognition receptors to recognize conserved microbial signatures. This recognition triggers an immune response. The first plant receptors of conserved microbial signatures were identified in rice (XA21, 1995)[1] and in Arabidopsis (FLS2, 2000).[2] Plants also carry immune receptors that recognize highly variable pathogen effectors. These include the NBS-LRR class of proteins. SAR is important for plants to resist disease, as well as to recover from disease once formed. SAR can be induced by a wide range of pathogens, especially (but not only) those that cause tissue necrosis, and the resistance observed following induction of SAR is effective against a wide range of pathogens, which is why SAR resistance is sometimes called "broad spectrum." SAR is associated with the induction of a wide range of genes (so called PR or "pathogenesis-related" genes), and the activation of SAR requires the accumulation of endogenous salicylic acid (SA). The pathogen-induced SA signal activates a molecular signal transduction pathway that is identified by a gene called NIM1, NPR1 or SAI1 (three names for the same gene) in the model genetic system Arabidopsis thaliana. SAR has been observed in a wide range of flowering plants, including dicotyledon and monocotyledon species. SAR can be activated in corn, however, widely adapted commercial like Benzothiadiazole may not be efficient against P. sorghi causing common rust.[3]
Tona - Something interesting I learned a couple years ago that makes growing in beds even more beneficial, I'm not sure if I mentioned it earlier in the thread or not. Under the soil's surface, vast mycelial (like fungal strands) networks get established and the plants basically 'link up' with each other and are able to communicate. When a weaker plant starts getting attacked, the other plants on the network boost their own natural defenses (phermones, etc.) to help out the attacked plant. The SARS effect that Weird mentioned is another benefit. And not to mention that most pests just dont really care for HEALTHY plants.
So, I almost thought I would not be showing any pictures of this room this round out of embarrassment. Two weeks ago, I was off my usual Amstel Light and was drinking a more potent beer while working. That's one of the things about my job that I love so much, I can drink the whole time I'm there if I want to
So I ended up getting pretty drunk and careless on the night I decided to transplant. I've been trying to get lazier and lazier on my transplants and trying to see how much more quickly I could get it done. I guess I thought I had thrown an entire solo cup of magic mix on my plants last round, so that's what I did this round. Well, after just 2 days I realized that maybe I had done one full solo cup per TWO plants last time. The poor girls were none too happy.
So, I almost thought I would not be showing any pictures of this room this round out of embarrassment. Two weeks ago, I was off my usual Amstel Light and was drinking a more potent beer while working. That's one of the things about my job that I love so much, I can drink the whole time I'm there if I want to
So I ended up getting pretty drunk and careless on the night I decided to transplant. I've been trying to get lazier and lazier on my transplants and trying to see how much more quickly I could get it done. I guess I thought I had thrown an entire solo cup of magic mix on my plants last round, so that's what I did this round. Well, after just 2 days I realized that maybe I had done one full solo cup per TWO plants last time. The poor girls were none too happy.
And not even two weeks later, this is what I have -
Fucking BEAUTIFUL! I am absolutely amazed. A drunk idiot can grow DANK in my beds.
All that nasty burnt up shit is all part of the underneath that gets chopped off by the end of this week anyway.
I'm going to try and buy a wide angled lens so that I can start getting canopy shots. A couple people out there are doubting this method being able to achieve 2+ pounds per 1000 watts.
If those people are as good as they say they are, they should have no problems getting 2+ ounces per plant with 16 plants under a 1kW. That's what I'm doing.
Fucking BEAUTIFUL! I am absolutely amazed. A drunk idiot can grow DANK in my beds.
All that nasty burnt up shit is all part of the underneath that gets chopped off by the end of this week anyway.
I'm going to try and buy a wide angled lens so that I can start getting canopy shots. A couple people out there are doubting this method being able to achieve 2+ pounds per 1000 watts.
If those people are as good as they say they are, they should have no problems getting 2+ ounces per plant with 16 plants under a 1kW. That's what I'm doing.
People who don't think beds and overhead lamps aren't pulling 2+ don't have an idea of what it takes to grow 2+
Dude I've been there, done that lol. One too many drinks and the tent door comes flying open and out comes my camera.... doesn't matter if it's lights on or lights off. I had one crop completely herm on me because I couldn't stop one year... they were so beautiful but I ended up fucking it all up because I couldn't stop drooling over em during lights out. Accidents aren't bad though, they're lessons so I think the more we mess up - ultimately the better. They say the master fails more times than the novice attempts...
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