nrver had a pit never trained a dog to fight, never even seen a dog fight
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dirtyshawa
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20 years, that's how long I've personally been involved with the breed and not once have a I needed to seperate my dogs for anything other than playing hard.
These dogs need pack leaders in their humans.....plain and simple. We set the tone.
There also may be a tinge of you reap that which you sow involved.
can't really knock what your saying...........but, in my 17yrs of dealing with the breed i've seen multiple instances where mothers try to kill their pups other than that we're pretty much on the same page. i think the negative stuff comes from the owner but, then again i've had my own pits snap at me. nothing a serious ass whooping didn't take care of. like children when they get way out of line for no apparent reason and you have to knock some sense into them. maybe, because, i only mess with bitches, you know when they're on the rag they get grumpy and testy. no offense to any women that read this comment strictly pertaining to pits.
The Pitbull "Problem"
The Pitbull "Problem"
So recently we are faced with another "pitbull attacks women and dog" news story. Alright well ive seen the UNEDITED version of the tape, because the news station only shows the chopped version where the pitbull is running at the other dog.
First of all, the lady is not even attacked, so when you hear some "malious" story like this, and the headline isnt even correct, how can you believe any of the rest of the story is true?
Secondly, the dog is running around the parking lot (great owner) and then runs across the other side of the lot, then out of frame we see the pitbull rush over and grab the other dog. No injurys occur to the dog or the owner, yet somehow it makes headline news in my city. But that is whats important right? Forget the fact that Dick Cheney operates an execution squad that can not be held liable for their actions. Mormon cults are marrying 12 year old girls, yet somehow this makes the news? Pure sensationslism.
I'll cut right to the heart of the matter and pose the question so many people ask on a daily basis...
...Are Pit Bulls dangerous dogs? Depending on who you ask you will either get a yes or a no answer. If you asked me this question I would say, depends.
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a dog or Canine Lupus Familiaris.
Why did I mention this obvious fact? People try to make the Pit Bull out to be some sort of "super animal" or something that is not the same as any other dog you find in our society. While they are super athletic, they are still dogs. More importantly "Lock Jaw" is simply a legend brought up by anti pitbull fanatics to try and sway the ignroants. Powerful jaw muscles DO NOT constitute as "lock jaw" and any canine expert WILL reinforce my statement.
Fact: Out of the estimated 53 million dogs in the United States 92 fatal attacks are contributed to Pit Bulls or Pit Bull Mixes (2 were from American Staffordshire Terriers) from 1965-2001.
Source: Fatal Dog Attacks by Karen Delise
Imagine that. 53 million dogs. 92 fatal attacks out of 431 that span a 37 year period (1965-2001). Now I ask you, after looking at the numbers do we have a dangerous dog problem?
During that time period for my state there were 9 fatal dog attacks. Only one was a Pit Bull "type" dog.
Another attack during that time frame for my state was a Dachshund that killed a 14 day old baby after jumping in his crib.
Do we have a dangerous dog problem or is it being sensationalized to sell newspapers and create panic?
Fatal dog attacks by dangerous dogs are almost non-existent. 20 a year out of millions of dogs. The percentages are estimated to be somewhere around .0000004% of dog attacks are fatal.
If Pit Bulls Are Not Dangerous Dogs Why Do We have a Pit Bull Problem?
Personally I think the Pit Bull problem has more to do with people having a problem with Pit Bulls not the other way around.
Pit Bulls are outstanding dogs, like any dog that is well loved, trained, exercised, and cared for properly can be.
However, Pit Bulls are different. They are infectious with their energy and their wiliness to suffer the abuses of society and come back with a big goofy grin and a tongue lying in wait to lick the first face that gets close enough.
I have rescued dogs and I have seen dogs that were abused and neglected hop in my lap, look deep into my eyes and plant a smack of a lick right on my forehead.
Pit Bulls are different for sure. They expose humans for the cruel and inhumane beasts we are and we don't like it.
Pit Bulls are not dangerous dogs. They are however, abused, sold to irresponsible owners, the favorite dogs of drug dealers, and street gangs and this is by far the most damaging part of the problem.
Even with these record numbers of dogs these days the fatal attacks caused by Pit Bulls is nothing compared to the inhumanity we face on a daily basis. We are talking about 20 fatal attacks by dogs a year, most of which are not Pit Bulls, this is not a Pit Bull problem folks.
The Center for Disease Control statistics are outdated and often misused in situations like creating a breed specific law.
The problem is not breed specific but people specific. As I mentioned, irresponsible owners, gang members, dog fighters, and others who use the breed to boost their own macho attitudes and cruel intentions are the problem.
However, regulating them would be near impossible or too costly, at least that is the governments excuse for not doing anything other than banning or restricting the breed.
God forbid if we expected people to have to take responsibility for their actions.
CDC stats are outdated and this contributes to the problem as well. Pro-BSL people like PETA and other groups of fanatics use them to skew the picture into the picture they want the public to see.
Uneducated government officials believe these groups and the general public eats their BS with a giant spoon.
As Pit Bull owners around the world suffer from unrealistic expectations and BSL these groups sit on their all knowing thrones and laugh and feel powerful.
New statistics are in order for sure, but figuring out the exact population of dogs is as impossible a task if there ever was one.
What do We Then? Education of our children is the first step. For they are the future and if that future will include the American Pit Bull Terrier then our children must know and understand what a real Pit Bull is and how to handle them.
Change is only made when many become one and unite under a righteous cause.
Saving our Pit Bulls from extinction is a righteous cause....... don't you think?
The Pitbull "Problem"
So recently we are faced with another "pitbull attacks women and dog" news story. Alright well ive seen the UNEDITED version of the tape, because the news station only shows the chopped version where the pitbull is running at the other dog.
First of all, the lady is not even attacked, so when you hear some "malious" story like this, and the headline isnt even correct, how can you believe any of the rest of the story is true?
Secondly, the dog is running around the parking lot (great owner) and then runs across the other side of the lot, then out of frame we see the pitbull rush over and grab the other dog. No injurys occur to the dog or the owner, yet somehow it makes headline news in my city. But that is whats important right? Forget the fact that Dick Cheney operates an execution squad that can not be held liable for their actions. Mormon cults are marrying 12 year old girls, yet somehow this makes the news? Pure sensationslism.
I'll cut right to the heart of the matter and pose the question so many people ask on a daily basis...
...Are Pit Bulls dangerous dogs? Depending on who you ask you will either get a yes or a no answer. If you asked me this question I would say, depends.
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a dog or Canine Lupus Familiaris.
Why did I mention this obvious fact? People try to make the Pit Bull out to be some sort of "super animal" or something that is not the same as any other dog you find in our society. While they are super athletic, they are still dogs. More importantly "Lock Jaw" is simply a legend brought up by anti pitbull fanatics to try and sway the ignroants. Powerful jaw muscles DO NOT constitute as "lock jaw" and any canine expert WILL reinforce my statement.
Fact: Out of the estimated 53 million dogs in the United States 92 fatal attacks are contributed to Pit Bulls or Pit Bull Mixes (2 were from American Staffordshire Terriers) from 1965-2001.
Source: Fatal Dog Attacks by Karen Delise
Imagine that. 53 million dogs. 92 fatal attacks out of 431 that span a 37 year period (1965-2001). Now I ask you, after looking at the numbers do we have a dangerous dog problem?
During that time period for my state there were 9 fatal dog attacks. Only one was a Pit Bull "type" dog.
Another attack during that time frame for my state was a Dachshund that killed a 14 day old baby after jumping in his crib.
Do we have a dangerous dog problem or is it being sensationalized to sell newspapers and create panic?
Fatal dog attacks by dangerous dogs are almost non-existent. 20 a year out of millions of dogs. The percentages are estimated to be somewhere around .0000004% of dog attacks are fatal.
If Pit Bulls Are Not Dangerous Dogs Why Do We have a Pit Bull Problem?
Personally I think the Pit Bull problem has more to do with people having a problem with Pit Bulls not the other way around.
Pit Bulls are outstanding dogs, like any dog that is well loved, trained, exercised, and cared for properly can be.
However, Pit Bulls are different. They are infectious with their energy and their wiliness to suffer the abuses of society and come back with a big goofy grin and a tongue lying in wait to lick the first face that gets close enough.
I have rescued dogs and I have seen dogs that were abused and neglected hop in my lap, look deep into my eyes and plant a smack of a lick right on my forehead.
Pit Bulls are different for sure. They expose humans for the cruel and inhumane beasts we are and we don't like it.
Pit Bulls are not dangerous dogs. They are however, abused, sold to irresponsible owners, the favorite dogs of drug dealers, and street gangs and this is by far the most damaging part of the problem.
Even with these record numbers of dogs these days the fatal attacks caused by Pit Bulls is nothing compared to the inhumanity we face on a daily basis. We are talking about 20 fatal attacks by dogs a year, most of which are not Pit Bulls, this is not a Pit Bull problem folks.
The Center for Disease Control statistics are outdated and often misused in situations like creating a breed specific law.
The problem is not breed specific but people specific. As I mentioned, irresponsible owners, gang members, dog fighters, and others who use the breed to boost their own macho attitudes and cruel intentions are the problem.
However, regulating them would be near impossible or too costly, at least that is the governments excuse for not doing anything other than banning or restricting the breed.
God forbid if we expected people to have to take responsibility for their actions.
CDC stats are outdated and this contributes to the problem as well. Pro-BSL people like PETA and other groups of fanatics use them to skew the picture into the picture they want the public to see.
Uneducated government officials believe these groups and the general public eats their BS with a giant spoon.
As Pit Bull owners around the world suffer from unrealistic expectations and BSL these groups sit on their all knowing thrones and laugh and feel powerful.
New statistics are in order for sure, but figuring out the exact population of dogs is as impossible a task if there ever was one.
What do We Then? Education of our children is the first step. For they are the future and if that future will include the American Pit Bull Terrier then our children must know and understand what a real Pit Bull is and how to handle them.
Change is only made when many become one and unite under a righteous cause.
Saving our Pit Bulls from extinction is a righteous cause....... don't you think?
ReverseOsmosis
Member
That's not guarenteeing your pitbull will not fight or want to fight when the time comes. Just because they're far from the fighting stock, they still have bulldog, they still have terrier and terriers in general are a fighting breed. Bulldogs as well.
ReverseOsmosis
Member
If it was unprovoked, it still all depends on the circumstances, situation, body language, etc....Still, any pitbull that shows that type of agression most of PBF will say to euthanize the dog as it's no good and not a standard of the breed by any means.
There are far better methods of punishment than physical violence, and that use of physical violence will teach the dog that if it doesnt like something, all it has to do is use violence to control the situation. Pitbulls are very smart and wise creatures and pick up on their owner's habits, be it through training or even subconsciouly....
So in your very effort to tame your dogs, you are instilling the very same negative qualities you scold other careless or irresponsible pitbull owners for contributing to....
So recently we are faced with another "pitbull attacks women and dog" news story. Alright well ive seen the UNEDITED version of the tape, because the news station only shows the chopped version where the pitbull is running at the other dog.
First of all, the lady is not even attacked, so when you hear some "malious" story like this, and the headline isnt even correct, how can you believe any of the rest of the story is true?
Secondly, the dog is running around the parking lot (great owner) and then runs across the other side of the lot, then out of frame we see the pitbull rush over and grab the other dog. No injurys occur to the dog or the owner, yet somehow it makes headline news in my city. But that is whats important right? Forget the fact that Dick Cheney operates an execution squad that can not be held liable for their actions. Mormon cults are marrying 12 year old girls, yet somehow this makes the news? Pure sensationslism.
I'll cut right to the heart of the matter and pose the question so many people ask on a daily basis...
...Are Pit Bulls dangerous dogs? Depending on who you ask you will either get a yes or a no answer. If you asked me this question I would say, depends.
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a dog or Canine Lupus Familiaris.
Why did I mention this obvious fact? People try to make the Pit Bull out to be some sort of "super animal" or something that is not the same as any other dog you find in our society. While they are super athletic, they are still dogs. More importantly "Lock Jaw" is simply a legend brought up by anti pitbull fanatics to try and sway the ignroants. Powerful jaw muscles DO NOT constitute as "lock jaw" and any canine expert WILL reinforce my statement.
Fact: Out of the estimated 53 million dogs in the United States 92 fatal attacks are contributed to Pit Bulls or Pit Bull Mixes (2 were from American Staffordshire Terriers) from 1965-2001.
Source: Fatal Dog Attacks by Karen Delise
Imagine that. 53 million dogs. 92 fatal attacks out of 431 that span a 37 year period (1965-2001). Now I ask you, after looking at the numbers do we have a dangerous dog problem?
During that time period for my state there were 9 fatal dog attacks. Only one was a Pit Bull "type" dog.
Another attack during that time frame for my state was a Dachshund that killed a 14 day old baby after jumping in his crib.
Do we have a dangerous dog problem or is it being sensationalized to sell newspapers and create panic?
Fatal dog attacks by dangerous dogs are almost non-existent. 20 a year out of millions of dogs. The percentages are estimated to be somewhere around .0000004% of dog attacks are fatal.
If Pit Bulls Are Not Dangerous Dogs Why Do We have a Pit Bull Problem?
Personally I think the Pit Bull problem has more to do with people having a problem with Pit Bulls not the other way around.
Pit Bulls are outstanding dogs, like any dog that is well loved, trained, exercised, and cared for properly can be.
However, Pit Bulls are different. They are infectious with their energy and their wiliness to suffer the abuses of society and come back with a big goofy grin and a tongue lying in wait to lick the first face that gets close enough.
I have rescued dogs and I have seen dogs that were abused and neglected hop in my lap, look deep into my eyes and plant a smack of a lick right on my forehead.
Pit Bulls are different for sure. They expose humans for the cruel and inhumane beasts we are and we don't like it.
Pit Bulls are not dangerous dogs. They are however, abused, sold to irresponsible owners, the favorite dogs of drug dealers, and street gangs and this is by far the most damaging part of the problem.
Even with these record numbers of dogs these days the fatal attacks caused by Pit Bulls is nothing compared to the inhumanity we face on a daily basis. We are talking about 20 fatal attacks by dogs a year, most of which are not Pit Bulls, this is not a Pit Bull problem folks.
The Center for Disease Control statistics are outdated and often misused in situations like creating a breed specific law.
The problem is not breed specific but people specific. As I mentioned, irresponsible owners, gang members, dog fighters, and others who use the breed to boost their own macho attitudes and cruel intentions are the problem.
However, regulating them would be near impossible or too costly, at least that is the governments excuse for not doing anything other than banning or restricting the breed.
God forbid if we expected people to have to take responsibility for their actions.
CDC stats are outdated and this contributes to the problem as well. Pro-BSL people like PETA and other groups of fanatics use them to skew the picture into the picture they want the public to see.
Uneducated government officials believe these groups and the general public eats their BS with a giant spoon.
As Pit Bull owners around the world suffer from unrealistic expectations and BSL these groups sit on their all knowing thrones and laugh and feel powerful.
New statistics are in order for sure, but figuring out the exact population of dogs is as impossible a task if there ever was one.
What do We Then? Education of our children is the first step. For they are the future and if that future will include the American Pit Bull Terrier then our children must know and understand what a real Pit Bull is and how to handle them.
Change is only made when many become one and unite under a righteous cause.
Saving our Pit Bulls from extinction is a righteous cause....... don't you think?
So in your very effort to tame your dogs, you are instilling the very same negative qualities you scold other careless or irresponsible pitbull owners for contributing to....
So recently we are faced with another "pitbull attacks women and dog" news story. Alright well ive seen the UNEDITED version of the tape, because the news station only shows the chopped version where the pitbull is running at the other dog.
First of all, the lady is not even attacked, so when you hear some "malious" story like this, and the headline isnt even correct, how can you believe any of the rest of the story is true?
Secondly, the dog is running around the parking lot (great owner) and then runs across the other side of the lot, then out of frame we see the pitbull rush over and grab the other dog. No injurys occur to the dog or the owner, yet somehow it makes headline news in my city. But that is whats important right? Forget the fact that Dick Cheney operates an execution squad that can not be held liable for their actions. Mormon cults are marrying 12 year old girls, yet somehow this makes the news? Pure sensationslism.
I'll cut right to the heart of the matter and pose the question so many people ask on a daily basis...
...Are Pit Bulls dangerous dogs? Depending on who you ask you will either get a yes or a no answer. If you asked me this question I would say, depends.
The American Pit Bull Terrier is a dog or Canine Lupus Familiaris.
Why did I mention this obvious fact? People try to make the Pit Bull out to be some sort of "super animal" or something that is not the same as any other dog you find in our society. While they are super athletic, they are still dogs. More importantly "Lock Jaw" is simply a legend brought up by anti pitbull fanatics to try and sway the ignroants. Powerful jaw muscles DO NOT constitute as "lock jaw" and any canine expert WILL reinforce my statement.
Fact: Out of the estimated 53 million dogs in the United States 92 fatal attacks are contributed to Pit Bulls or Pit Bull Mixes (2 were from American Staffordshire Terriers) from 1965-2001.
Source: Fatal Dog Attacks by Karen Delise
Imagine that. 53 million dogs. 92 fatal attacks out of 431 that span a 37 year period (1965-2001). Now I ask you, after looking at the numbers do we have a dangerous dog problem?
During that time period for my state there were 9 fatal dog attacks. Only one was a Pit Bull "type" dog.
Another attack during that time frame for my state was a Dachshund that killed a 14 day old baby after jumping in his crib.
Do we have a dangerous dog problem or is it being sensationalized to sell newspapers and create panic?
Fatal dog attacks by dangerous dogs are almost non-existent. 20 a year out of millions of dogs. The percentages are estimated to be somewhere around .0000004% of dog attacks are fatal.
If Pit Bulls Are Not Dangerous Dogs Why Do We have a Pit Bull Problem?
Personally I think the Pit Bull problem has more to do with people having a problem with Pit Bulls not the other way around.
Pit Bulls are outstanding dogs, like any dog that is well loved, trained, exercised, and cared for properly can be.
However, Pit Bulls are different. They are infectious with their energy and their wiliness to suffer the abuses of society and come back with a big goofy grin and a tongue lying in wait to lick the first face that gets close enough.
I have rescued dogs and I have seen dogs that were abused and neglected hop in my lap, look deep into my eyes and plant a smack of a lick right on my forehead.
Pit Bulls are different for sure. They expose humans for the cruel and inhumane beasts we are and we don't like it.
Pit Bulls are not dangerous dogs. They are however, abused, sold to irresponsible owners, the favorite dogs of drug dealers, and street gangs and this is by far the most damaging part of the problem.
Even with these record numbers of dogs these days the fatal attacks caused by Pit Bulls is nothing compared to the inhumanity we face on a daily basis. We are talking about 20 fatal attacks by dogs a year, most of which are not Pit Bulls, this is not a Pit Bull problem folks.
The Center for Disease Control statistics are outdated and often misused in situations like creating a breed specific law.
The problem is not breed specific but people specific. As I mentioned, irresponsible owners, gang members, dog fighters, and others who use the breed to boost their own macho attitudes and cruel intentions are the problem.
However, regulating them would be near impossible or too costly, at least that is the governments excuse for not doing anything other than banning or restricting the breed.
God forbid if we expected people to have to take responsibility for their actions.
CDC stats are outdated and this contributes to the problem as well. Pro-BSL people like PETA and other groups of fanatics use them to skew the picture into the picture they want the public to see.
Uneducated government officials believe these groups and the general public eats their BS with a giant spoon.
As Pit Bull owners around the world suffer from unrealistic expectations and BSL these groups sit on their all knowing thrones and laugh and feel powerful.
New statistics are in order for sure, but figuring out the exact population of dogs is as impossible a task if there ever was one.
What do We Then? Education of our children is the first step. For they are the future and if that future will include the American Pit Bull Terrier then our children must know and understand what a real Pit Bull is and how to handle them.
Change is only made when many become one and unite under a righteous cause.
Saving our Pit Bulls from extinction is a righteous cause....... don't you think?
Dr. G
Active member
Thanks for fucking up my thread everyone
Apbt were bred to do many things but the firts ones after the og bulldog were to fight after that lots of farm work
The apbt can do anythinf but atay out in the cold
This thread isnt about fighting
And that dog on thw othwr page is an american bully not an apbt
Apbt were bred to do many things but the firts ones after the og bulldog were to fight after that lots of farm work
The apbt can do anythinf but atay out in the cold
This thread isnt about fighting
And that dog on thw othwr page is an american bully not an apbt
ReverseOsmosis
Member
I DID NOT WRITE THIS
More often than they should, pit bull owners wonder about the dog park issue, finding themselves explaining to others that their dog is not a "killing machine," it is not "one of those pit bulls" and there is no reason that their dog can�t enjoy off leash time with unknown dogs. Some will even insist that "you only add to the misconception toward this breed when you don't allow your friendly pit bull to go to the dog park.� After all, these people argue that it is all about "how we raise them" and providing socialization is the key to no problem dogs. Unfortunately, that�s not true.
Dog aggression in our own dogs should not be a problem. Good management and knowledge prevent trouble. Responsible and caring pit bull owners have done their homework and know what to expect from the breed. This breed's genetic traits involve dog aggression, to varying degrees. Even the most well socialized pit bull can one day decide that other dogs are not play buddies. It happens most often when the dog reaches maturity between two and three years of age, and it can happen without apparent reason.
Here are some good articles for basic breed information:
http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html
http://www.realpitbull.com/fight.html
Because of the breed's background, it is unfair to expect dogs to behave the way we want them to when it comes to dog aggression and dog to dog relationships. We set our dogs up for failure when we decide to let them off leash in a public place and allow them to romp with other dogs. Dog parks are a place where people like to chit chat with each other, paying very little attention to what happens around their dogs. Posturing, body language, subtle looks and even vocalization are often misunderstood or overlooked by dog owners. Even when dogs let us know what is about to happen we might not see what is happening until it is too late. Most dog owners have no idea of what body language means, and don�t know how to intervene if things go wrong. They panic, scream, yell, and hit the attacking dog; all of which often just makes things worse. A fight between two dogs can be hard enough to stop; now imagine a fight among 4 or 5 of them. In fights like these, pets and even people can be seriously injured.
Dog parks are also a place where unknown dogs are present. We don't know if they�re fully vaccinated or in good health. They can be sick and our dogs can get ill as well.
We don't know if they are truly friendly dogs or if they may be aggressive. Everybody's dog is friendly, according to their owners. When the "friendly" dog decides to snap at ours, a fight starts.
Who is going to be blamed for that fight? Will it be the pit bull or the cute little fluffy dog? The answer is obvious.
Here is the story of one accident at a dog park, involving a pit bull.:
http://www.badrap.org/rescue/dogpark.cfm
Below is an article about a pit bull named Nettie that attacked a police horse, in San Francisco, in 2003. Nettie was let off leash at a public park by her irresponsible owner. The dog did nothing wrong, but she was set up for failure by the person who should have protected her. Nettie belonged to an SPCA volunteer and she was often taken to senior centers to comfort the elderly. Nettie was a good dog. This pretty pit bull female paid the price for her owner�s ignorance and irresponsibility with her life. Many dogs have lost their lives the same way, due to the same kind of irresponsibility. It took her life for her owner to "get it.� Like most situations of this sort, the events that ultimately resulted in Nettie�s unfair death were totally preventable.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2003/11/23/horse23.DTL
Each time a pit bull is allowed to harm another pet all pit bull owners and their dogs suffer. One common defensive reaction of dog park lovers is "the dog is mine and it is nobody's business where I take it.� This is not true. It is every pit bull owner's business as well. We are surrounded by BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) all over the Country. The news media report dog to dog attacks or dog to cat/cow/horse/sheep attacks almost every day, and with the same attention as if Osama Bin Laden had been captured. Reporters often compare human aggression to animal aggression. How many times do we hear "it was a dog but it could have been a child"?
It is ridiculous but it happens every day. �There goes another vicious pit bull attacking an innocent dog or cat!� What happens after a pit bull attacks another dog in the neighborhood or at the local dog park? It is like we suddenly own wild animals that have no right to exist. Our friendly neighbor suddenly stops talking to us and no longer lets her children come around our dog. The person we used to walk our dog with is no longer available because she fears for her pet. The two men down the street no longer come and pet our dog when we walk by their homes or rush into the house if they have their dogs with them. People ask for a ban. We did not change and our dog is the same as always but this is the result of one mistake, caused by someone who obviously did not care about the rest of us. It is a sad situation to be in.
This breed doesn't need any more accidents, we can't afford them. We are in this situation thank to those who failed their own dogs. When a whole breed suffers because of someone's action it is our business as well. No doubt on that.
Vet bills aren't cheap, emotions can be overwhelming, the guilt stays, so why to risk it? It isn't fair that only one breed is targeted when dogs of other breeds have killed or attacked other dogs. Today, a dog behaving like a dog has become a sin. Fair or not that is how the situation is and every pit bull owner needs to understand it.
The point of socialization is for a dog to have positive experiences with other dogs. When people take their dogs, perhaps puppies, to a park and something happens, they are responsible for the consequences. A young dog that is attacked for no reason won't be so willing to be friendly the next time it meets an unknown dog. An experience like that is a bad start and can often lead to problems in the future. There are no guarantees on what can happen at a dog park because dog parks are often full of different dogs with different personalities and tolerance levels. Even an easy going adult dog can change its approach after an attack. It is hard enough for a dog of this breed to tolerate other dogs and it is a big mistake to contribute to bad experiences. Dogs should always rely on us to defend them--the trust factor is important. We are responsible for protecting our dogs from harm. A dog that has no choice but to defend itself loses its trust in the owner and knows that in the future it needs to take care of itself. It then becomes fearful of other dogs and not so willing to behave like a well-balanced dog that was socialized in the appropriate way.
How can we socialize around other dogs then? Good question. Socialization is a must but it has to be done with common sense and in a controlled environment. Perhaps a friend has a mellow dog of the opposite sex and he/she is willing to let the dogs play together. Both owners should know that there is the possibility of a scrap and will intervene immediately and with the appropriate tools/techniques. Both owners will watch their dogs closely and never leave them unsupervised.
Every pit bull owner should have a breaking stick available, even when on a walk, hidden somewhere. It is a quick and effective way to break a hold.
What is a breaking stick and why it is an important tool to have:
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html
Some information on how to break up a fight:
http://www.pbrc.net/breakfight.html
Obedience classes are an option too. In obedience classes, the dogs are leashed and can learn to control themselves in the presence of other dogs. It is not necessary for a pit bull to be dog friendly, but it is necessary for us to help them learn to control natural behaviors. Dogs that are exposed to this kind of environment can learn to behave with some time and work.
The local feedstore/petstore is another way to socialize our dogs, because they are another place where dogs are leashed. It�s important to remember that it doesn�t mean we don't need to pay attention to the surroundings. Respect the comfort level of your dog and move away from other dogs if necessary. Face to face interactions can quickly end badly, even when both dogs are leashed.
Those who are still convinced that a pit bull belongs to a dog park would benefit from reading these links. Their dogs and all of us will benefit as well.Please, don't set your dog up for failure.
http://www.pbrc.net/dogpark.html
http://www.pitbullpress.com/ARTICLES/DOGPARK.html
Dog Park Reality Check
More often than they should, pit bull owners wonder about the dog park issue, finding themselves explaining to others that their dog is not a "killing machine," it is not "one of those pit bulls" and there is no reason that their dog can�t enjoy off leash time with unknown dogs. Some will even insist that "you only add to the misconception toward this breed when you don't allow your friendly pit bull to go to the dog park.� After all, these people argue that it is all about "how we raise them" and providing socialization is the key to no problem dogs. Unfortunately, that�s not true.
Dog aggression in our own dogs should not be a problem. Good management and knowledge prevent trouble. Responsible and caring pit bull owners have done their homework and know what to expect from the breed. This breed's genetic traits involve dog aggression, to varying degrees. Even the most well socialized pit bull can one day decide that other dogs are not play buddies. It happens most often when the dog reaches maturity between two and three years of age, and it can happen without apparent reason.
Here are some good articles for basic breed information:
http://www.pbrc.net/breedinfo.html
http://www.realpitbull.com/fight.html
Because of the breed's background, it is unfair to expect dogs to behave the way we want them to when it comes to dog aggression and dog to dog relationships. We set our dogs up for failure when we decide to let them off leash in a public place and allow them to romp with other dogs. Dog parks are a place where people like to chit chat with each other, paying very little attention to what happens around their dogs. Posturing, body language, subtle looks and even vocalization are often misunderstood or overlooked by dog owners. Even when dogs let us know what is about to happen we might not see what is happening until it is too late. Most dog owners have no idea of what body language means, and don�t know how to intervene if things go wrong. They panic, scream, yell, and hit the attacking dog; all of which often just makes things worse. A fight between two dogs can be hard enough to stop; now imagine a fight among 4 or 5 of them. In fights like these, pets and even people can be seriously injured.
Dog parks are also a place where unknown dogs are present. We don't know if they�re fully vaccinated or in good health. They can be sick and our dogs can get ill as well.
We don't know if they are truly friendly dogs or if they may be aggressive. Everybody's dog is friendly, according to their owners. When the "friendly" dog decides to snap at ours, a fight starts.
Who is going to be blamed for that fight? Will it be the pit bull or the cute little fluffy dog? The answer is obvious.
Here is the story of one accident at a dog park, involving a pit bull.:
http://www.badrap.org/rescue/dogpark.cfm
Below is an article about a pit bull named Nettie that attacked a police horse, in San Francisco, in 2003. Nettie was let off leash at a public park by her irresponsible owner. The dog did nothing wrong, but she was set up for failure by the person who should have protected her. Nettie belonged to an SPCA volunteer and she was often taken to senior centers to comfort the elderly. Nettie was a good dog. This pretty pit bull female paid the price for her owner�s ignorance and irresponsibility with her life. Many dogs have lost their lives the same way, due to the same kind of irresponsibility. It took her life for her owner to "get it.� Like most situations of this sort, the events that ultimately resulted in Nettie�s unfair death were totally preventable.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2003/11/23/horse23.DTL
Each time a pit bull is allowed to harm another pet all pit bull owners and their dogs suffer. One common defensive reaction of dog park lovers is "the dog is mine and it is nobody's business where I take it.� This is not true. It is every pit bull owner's business as well. We are surrounded by BSL (Breed Specific Legislation) all over the Country. The news media report dog to dog attacks or dog to cat/cow/horse/sheep attacks almost every day, and with the same attention as if Osama Bin Laden had been captured. Reporters often compare human aggression to animal aggression. How many times do we hear "it was a dog but it could have been a child"?
It is ridiculous but it happens every day. �There goes another vicious pit bull attacking an innocent dog or cat!� What happens after a pit bull attacks another dog in the neighborhood or at the local dog park? It is like we suddenly own wild animals that have no right to exist. Our friendly neighbor suddenly stops talking to us and no longer lets her children come around our dog. The person we used to walk our dog with is no longer available because she fears for her pet. The two men down the street no longer come and pet our dog when we walk by their homes or rush into the house if they have their dogs with them. People ask for a ban. We did not change and our dog is the same as always but this is the result of one mistake, caused by someone who obviously did not care about the rest of us. It is a sad situation to be in.
This breed doesn't need any more accidents, we can't afford them. We are in this situation thank to those who failed their own dogs. When a whole breed suffers because of someone's action it is our business as well. No doubt on that.
Vet bills aren't cheap, emotions can be overwhelming, the guilt stays, so why to risk it? It isn't fair that only one breed is targeted when dogs of other breeds have killed or attacked other dogs. Today, a dog behaving like a dog has become a sin. Fair or not that is how the situation is and every pit bull owner needs to understand it.
The point of socialization is for a dog to have positive experiences with other dogs. When people take their dogs, perhaps puppies, to a park and something happens, they are responsible for the consequences. A young dog that is attacked for no reason won't be so willing to be friendly the next time it meets an unknown dog. An experience like that is a bad start and can often lead to problems in the future. There are no guarantees on what can happen at a dog park because dog parks are often full of different dogs with different personalities and tolerance levels. Even an easy going adult dog can change its approach after an attack. It is hard enough for a dog of this breed to tolerate other dogs and it is a big mistake to contribute to bad experiences. Dogs should always rely on us to defend them--the trust factor is important. We are responsible for protecting our dogs from harm. A dog that has no choice but to defend itself loses its trust in the owner and knows that in the future it needs to take care of itself. It then becomes fearful of other dogs and not so willing to behave like a well-balanced dog that was socialized in the appropriate way.
How can we socialize around other dogs then? Good question. Socialization is a must but it has to be done with common sense and in a controlled environment. Perhaps a friend has a mellow dog of the opposite sex and he/she is willing to let the dogs play together. Both owners should know that there is the possibility of a scrap and will intervene immediately and with the appropriate tools/techniques. Both owners will watch their dogs closely and never leave them unsupervised.
Every pit bull owner should have a breaking stick available, even when on a walk, hidden somewhere. It is a quick and effective way to break a hold.
What is a breaking stick and why it is an important tool to have:
http://www.pbrc.net/breaksticks.html
Some information on how to break up a fight:
http://www.pbrc.net/breakfight.html
Obedience classes are an option too. In obedience classes, the dogs are leashed and can learn to control themselves in the presence of other dogs. It is not necessary for a pit bull to be dog friendly, but it is necessary for us to help them learn to control natural behaviors. Dogs that are exposed to this kind of environment can learn to behave with some time and work.
The local feedstore/petstore is another way to socialize our dogs, because they are another place where dogs are leashed. It�s important to remember that it doesn�t mean we don't need to pay attention to the surroundings. Respect the comfort level of your dog and move away from other dogs if necessary. Face to face interactions can quickly end badly, even when both dogs are leashed.
Those who are still convinced that a pit bull belongs to a dog park would benefit from reading these links. Their dogs and all of us will benefit as well.Please, don't set your dog up for failure.
http://www.pbrc.net/dogpark.html
http://www.pitbullpress.com/ARTICLES/DOGPARK.html
to bad thats not an APBT or should i say thank god its not...what they calll these now ? Bully's..lol mixed bred cursDamn Bubba!!Thats a damn guard dog there,bet many dont get out of the car there!!!
Wow, even after the OP stated the thread is NOT about fighting, people still yapping about 'gamebred'.
If your dogs' parents were not bred specifically to fight, than your dog is not gamebred. If you are buying dogs from dogfighters (so you can say he/she is gamebred), you are an asshole, and I would support legislation banning YOU from my state/county/municipality.
Word. This is the first dog I've ever seen other than a chihuahua shiver @ 60deg inside.
If your dogs' parents were not bred specifically to fight, than your dog is not gamebred. If you are buying dogs from dogfighters (so you can say he/she is gamebred), you are an asshole, and I would support legislation banning YOU from my state/county/municipality.
ReverseOsmosis
Member
http://www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=110699&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 Pick Your Favorite Looking Dogs of REAL AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIERS
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I DID NOT WRITE THIS
Do we have a sticky somewhere?If not I think it could be helpful so those who might be in those ugly situations can be helped by some information easy to find here.I will share my methods, for what they are worth, and others will have some good advice to keep available.
Three dogs are much harder to deal with then two, especially if one is alone.The following works for two although an experienced person will handle two faster and with less work.
I have 5 dogs here and as a general rule no more than two can interact with each other at a time because I am often alone and, truth to be told, two are enough to deal with.In the yard especially, because they have much more room to move than inside the house.And they move fast
If two of your pit bulls somewhat end up in someone else's yard (big no no) or in contact with someone else's pet don't loose your mind and get over there without nothing.A breaking stick, or parting stick, can work when there is a solid hold and pit bulls are involved.If two pit bulls get in contact with another dog and one starts a fight, the other one is not sitting back watching the show eating popcorns.If he hasn't jumped in he will most likely do it.Even if at least one of your dogs is generally mellow don't count on this to be a rule, given the circumstances.
The first thing to do is to get two leashes.Keep extras leashes and several breaking sticks around the house and in the yard so no matter where you are you will find them quickly.Get your stick, the leashes and go to the dogs.Yes, you might hear the screaming of the dog who is being targeted, especially if he is of a breed different than a pit bull and can't stand up for himself.You waste precious time trying to deal with the situation without nothing.Think before you move and get something.
Get to the dogs and determine which one has no hold, if there is one.The reason is that while you use your stick on the dog who is holding, the other is free to move and can also get a hold.Put a leash on the moving dog and drag him by the fence as fast as you can.Don't be worried about being nice or yell "go away", it won't work with most pit bulls.Unless it is the beginning of a scrap and the dogs are not in full fight drive.You may yell a "enough!", loud but without panicking, and the dog might give you the time to run to them before things escalate.If the fight is serious drag that dog and secure him to a fence or whatever is available.I keep all my dogs with collars, for that reason.
Once that dog is restrained go take care of the dog who is holding. Practicing where to insert the stick is a must.You can't waste time figuring out in between what teeth it has go into when they are killing each other.Before you do that put the leash on and wrap your legs slightly in front of the stifle/hind quarters.Most of the power comes from the rear.Do your best to avoid for your dog to shake, because shaking will cause tissue damage.On a little dog it can be devastating.Put a hand on the collar to hold the head in place and insert the stick .Turn it like it was a motorcycle throttle and open the dog's mouth enough to release the hold.Do not drag a holding dog, it will tear tissues.Breaking teeth is not the issues right now, do what you have to do.Breaking sticks are generally made of soft or medium wood and won't brake teeth if inserted correctly.If you have to use a bit more force so be it.You have to "work it in" a little.If you can't really stick it in, for whatever reason, get that stick inside the collar.One hand on each end.Twist it and cut air supplies.Only as much you need it for the dog to let go for a moment, then pull him away.You will have the leash on already so you can drag him away.
Don't let go of the dog no matter what , because most likely he will try to go back and grab again.
Drag him away and secure him far enough from the other pit bull.In the heat of the moment they might get on each other, still in fight drive and arousal time.
When this is done focus on the non pit bull and move him to where he is safe.Smaller dogs go into shock rather fast so they might collapse on the ground, without fighting back.Others, if no seriously injured, might try to get at your dogs so keep your eyes open.
Other breeds are not as safe to handle as pit bulls and will lash out, getting whatever is in the way, because they are in pain, panic and redirect, which includes targeting you or your hands.Evaluate the situation and keep your hands away from dogs who panic and you do not know so well.A breaking stick is not for those dogs, they usually don't hold but bite and release and it is not safe to mess around their mouth while they try to survive.
If all this happens inside you home, shove one dog after the other into a room and make sure you close the door.It is still best that you at least secure one of them since they won't give up the fight so easily.
There is another device that some folks keep around, which can stop any dog without permanent injuries, and it is only to be used in a real emergency.It has been advertised by some pit bull folks (and not only) and, although I own a couple for extreme emergencies, I don't feel to promote it on here in a wishy washy way.Many people stop being careful about the management and rely on it.Management and breaking sticks are the first choice.I carry it on my walks as well.While I do not have problems handling my own dogs in a fight I am not going to stick my hands near the mouth of a 100 pound rottweiller or other large breed dog who is not giving up and try to kill my animals.
Where to insert the breaking stick? Some people stick it in the space behind the the molars but there is also a very small gap behind the canines, before the first premolar.At times it works there as well, with thinner stick.
Here is the anatomy of a dog's mouth, so you know which teeth we are talking about:
There are a few website that offer breaking sticks.PBRC being one.The money go to homeless pit bulls so it is for a good cause if you buy them trough them.They are out of stock now but will be back soon:
http://www.pbrc.net/shop/bsticks.html
This is what they look like:
If you know of other reliable websites for purchase please post them.I am looking for something smaller to carry on walks so I'd appreciate the info.
If you are handy enough you can make your own, choosing the wood you prefer.Not something too hard, or it might damage teeth.All it is is a hammer handle-sized piece of material with handle end and a flat, wedge-shaped end.What you insert is the flatter part.The length is generally 5 to 8 inches, width 1 to 2 inches.It is inserted up to 1 1/2 inches in the dog's mouth.Impact nylon is also another material that can be used.
Probably needles to say, but if you carry a breaking stick on walks please do not stick it on your jeans back pockets like some folks like to do.It is responsible of you to carry one but nobody really needs to see it unless you in the position to have to use it.The average Joe does not realize that our dogs defending themselves should have the right to do so.Somehow they are always blamed so we are the ones who have to do damage control.Use a fanny pack, or something.
Also needless to say (or not?)...they are bulldogs you own.Even your pet buddy, no game bred, rescued, from breeders of show dogs, back yard bred dog, found in the street and what not still has a certain background.Please understand that while a fight is something ugly to witness, anger gets in the way, we might be scared, and don't know how to deal with our emotions right away, we still chose to own a breed that is not for everyone.There is a reason for that.Don't blame your dogs for being what they are.The choice to get them was yours.
SOURCE TAKEN: http://www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=79642&start=0
Breaking Up A Fight With 2 Or 3 Dogs
Do we have a sticky somewhere?If not I think it could be helpful so those who might be in those ugly situations can be helped by some information easy to find here.I will share my methods, for what they are worth, and others will have some good advice to keep available.
Three dogs are much harder to deal with then two, especially if one is alone.The following works for two although an experienced person will handle two faster and with less work.
I have 5 dogs here and as a general rule no more than two can interact with each other at a time because I am often alone and, truth to be told, two are enough to deal with.In the yard especially, because they have much more room to move than inside the house.And they move fast
If two of your pit bulls somewhat end up in someone else's yard (big no no) or in contact with someone else's pet don't loose your mind and get over there without nothing.A breaking stick, or parting stick, can work when there is a solid hold and pit bulls are involved.If two pit bulls get in contact with another dog and one starts a fight, the other one is not sitting back watching the show eating popcorns.If he hasn't jumped in he will most likely do it.Even if at least one of your dogs is generally mellow don't count on this to be a rule, given the circumstances.
The first thing to do is to get two leashes.Keep extras leashes and several breaking sticks around the house and in the yard so no matter where you are you will find them quickly.Get your stick, the leashes and go to the dogs.Yes, you might hear the screaming of the dog who is being targeted, especially if he is of a breed different than a pit bull and can't stand up for himself.You waste precious time trying to deal with the situation without nothing.Think before you move and get something.
Get to the dogs and determine which one has no hold, if there is one.The reason is that while you use your stick on the dog who is holding, the other is free to move and can also get a hold.Put a leash on the moving dog and drag him by the fence as fast as you can.Don't be worried about being nice or yell "go away", it won't work with most pit bulls.Unless it is the beginning of a scrap and the dogs are not in full fight drive.You may yell a "enough!", loud but without panicking, and the dog might give you the time to run to them before things escalate.If the fight is serious drag that dog and secure him to a fence or whatever is available.I keep all my dogs with collars, for that reason.
Once that dog is restrained go take care of the dog who is holding. Practicing where to insert the stick is a must.You can't waste time figuring out in between what teeth it has go into when they are killing each other.Before you do that put the leash on and wrap your legs slightly in front of the stifle/hind quarters.Most of the power comes from the rear.Do your best to avoid for your dog to shake, because shaking will cause tissue damage.On a little dog it can be devastating.Put a hand on the collar to hold the head in place and insert the stick .Turn it like it was a motorcycle throttle and open the dog's mouth enough to release the hold.Do not drag a holding dog, it will tear tissues.Breaking teeth is not the issues right now, do what you have to do.Breaking sticks are generally made of soft or medium wood and won't brake teeth if inserted correctly.If you have to use a bit more force so be it.You have to "work it in" a little.If you can't really stick it in, for whatever reason, get that stick inside the collar.One hand on each end.Twist it and cut air supplies.Only as much you need it for the dog to let go for a moment, then pull him away.You will have the leash on already so you can drag him away.
Don't let go of the dog no matter what , because most likely he will try to go back and grab again.
Drag him away and secure him far enough from the other pit bull.In the heat of the moment they might get on each other, still in fight drive and arousal time.
When this is done focus on the non pit bull and move him to where he is safe.Smaller dogs go into shock rather fast so they might collapse on the ground, without fighting back.Others, if no seriously injured, might try to get at your dogs so keep your eyes open.
Other breeds are not as safe to handle as pit bulls and will lash out, getting whatever is in the way, because they are in pain, panic and redirect, which includes targeting you or your hands.Evaluate the situation and keep your hands away from dogs who panic and you do not know so well.A breaking stick is not for those dogs, they usually don't hold but bite and release and it is not safe to mess around their mouth while they try to survive.
If all this happens inside you home, shove one dog after the other into a room and make sure you close the door.It is still best that you at least secure one of them since they won't give up the fight so easily.
There is another device that some folks keep around, which can stop any dog without permanent injuries, and it is only to be used in a real emergency.It has been advertised by some pit bull folks (and not only) and, although I own a couple for extreme emergencies, I don't feel to promote it on here in a wishy washy way.Many people stop being careful about the management and rely on it.Management and breaking sticks are the first choice.I carry it on my walks as well.While I do not have problems handling my own dogs in a fight I am not going to stick my hands near the mouth of a 100 pound rottweiller or other large breed dog who is not giving up and try to kill my animals.
Where to insert the breaking stick? Some people stick it in the space behind the the molars but there is also a very small gap behind the canines, before the first premolar.At times it works there as well, with thinner stick.
Here is the anatomy of a dog's mouth, so you know which teeth we are talking about:
There are a few website that offer breaking sticks.PBRC being one.The money go to homeless pit bulls so it is for a good cause if you buy them trough them.They are out of stock now but will be back soon:
http://www.pbrc.net/shop/bsticks.html
This is what they look like:
If you know of other reliable websites for purchase please post them.I am looking for something smaller to carry on walks so I'd appreciate the info.
If you are handy enough you can make your own, choosing the wood you prefer.Not something too hard, or it might damage teeth.All it is is a hammer handle-sized piece of material with handle end and a flat, wedge-shaped end.What you insert is the flatter part.The length is generally 5 to 8 inches, width 1 to 2 inches.It is inserted up to 1 1/2 inches in the dog's mouth.Impact nylon is also another material that can be used.
Probably needles to say, but if you carry a breaking stick on walks please do not stick it on your jeans back pockets like some folks like to do.It is responsible of you to carry one but nobody really needs to see it unless you in the position to have to use it.The average Joe does not realize that our dogs defending themselves should have the right to do so.Somehow they are always blamed so we are the ones who have to do damage control.Use a fanny pack, or something.
Also needless to say (or not?)...they are bulldogs you own.Even your pet buddy, no game bred, rescued, from breeders of show dogs, back yard bred dog, found in the street and what not still has a certain background.Please understand that while a fight is something ugly to witness, anger gets in the way, we might be scared, and don't know how to deal with our emotions right away, we still chose to own a breed that is not for everyone.There is a reason for that.Don't blame your dogs for being what they are.The choice to get them was yours.
SOURCE TAKEN: http://www.pitbullforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=79642&start=0
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Iron_Lion
I have both a game breed pitbull and a bully pitbull, they're are eqaully as great and good tempered. I dont know why so many people bash the stocky, big headed pitbulls. The "bully" look is the product of years of selective breeding of different bloodlines among the pitbull breed, done by Dave Wilson creator of the infamous Razors Edge bloodline. Every legendary pitbull breeders bloodline has certain genetic features, look at Lou Colby's dogs.
Not to mention, you can still be "bully" and still meet the breed standard, it's all about the proportions. "bully" doesnt mean you need to be a 120lb sawed off mastiff.
I DID NOT WRITE THIS..
Whats this a fucking dog site?Did you guys leave anything on the fuckin wiki?
Give it the fuck up,if ya like the dogs GO TO THE DOG SITE!!!!!!!!!
STOP FILLING PAGES UP HERE OF YOUR CUT N PASTE....who gives a shit about fuckin pitbulls?If ya love yer dog,love em,page after page of nonsense,pitbulls got there rep for a fuckin reason,and cutting and pasting ENTIRE sites here isnt changin that!!!Give it Up!!!!!
Again......I did not write this I just thought it would fit!!!
Whats this a fucking dog site?Did you guys leave anything on the fuckin wiki?
Give it the fuck up,if ya like the dogs GO TO THE DOG SITE!!!!!!!!!
STOP FILLING PAGES UP HERE OF YOUR CUT N PASTE....who gives a shit about fuckin pitbulls?If ya love yer dog,love em,page after page of nonsense,pitbulls got there rep for a fuckin reason,and cutting and pasting ENTIRE sites here isnt changin that!!!Give it Up!!!!!
Again......I did not write this I just thought it would fit!!!
Wow, even after the OP stated the thread is NOT about fighting, people still yapping about 'gamebred'.
Word. This is the first dog I've ever seen other than a chihuahua shiver @ 60deg inside.
If your dogs' parents were not bred specifically to fight, than your dog is not gamebred. If you are buying dogs from dogfighters (so you can say he/she is gamebred), you are an asshole, and I would support legislation banning YOU from my state/county/municipality.
blah blah you ignorant ass.. sorry for wanting to PRESERVE THE BREED AND THE REAL DEAL AMERICAN PITBULL TERRIER..ATLEAST IM NOT GOING AROUND WITH 110LBS BULLIES,,AMSTAFFS,STAFFS AND CALLING THEM apbt.. i have owned the breed before you new what the apbt was or is..you still dont have a clue what this thing is all about.. these are not Petbulls or show dogs.. they are gamedogs.
:::If your dogs' parents were not bred specifically to fight,than your dog is not gamebred>> that is so false..you have not aclue.. gamedog is where you findum not how its bred you freaking retard! so your saying ELI is not a gamebred dog or jeep/redboy being the sire/dam where not fighters.? some of the best dogs came down from a stud that produced..Produced! that dont mean the stud was a fighter the stud just so happen to spit game dogs. neXt
they have banned the apbt and bully breeds from my state,county and i still own 8 dogs ..so blow me
amd Terriers dont shiiver because they are cold...
alot to learnits 110 outside and my dogs shivering..lets throw a blanket on him.. any other knowledge you wanna spity my way?
ReverseOsmosis
Member
Just because they're not from fighting parents doesn't mean they're not gamebred dogs.
Are you kidding me?
Tell me again about terriers. My family raised airedales for 30+ years. Good for you you own 8 dogs. 8 dogs. Wow, your word is gospel.
If the dog is comfortable, sleepin, being a dog, and doesn't shiver, then the temperature drops, and he does shiver, and I throw a blanket on him and he stops, or I lay down with him and he stops, what line of logic should I follow to deduce that he is NOT shivering because he is cold? Tell me.
Preserve the breed? Are you serious? And you are talking about gamebred in the same sentence. That means selecting for dogs that will fight till death, and breeding them, and selecting all over again. If you were talking about 'my dogs meet the breed standard, and I want to preserve the breed...' then that's a different story. It sounds like you want to preserve the 'gameness' of the dogs in future lines. Go fight a dog.
The old red dog likes his blanket, and backs down from ANYTHING. He also happens to be some kind of bully dog.
Tell me, WHAT is 'this thing' all about? Could you please define 'this thing'?
Uh I love my dogs. They are part of the family. Some happen to be part of what people say 'look like pitbulls'. To me, and I THINK the OP, that's 'what this thing is all about'.
Tell me again about terriers. My family raised airedales for 30+ years. Good for you you own 8 dogs. 8 dogs. Wow, your word is gospel.
If the dog is comfortable, sleepin, being a dog, and doesn't shiver, then the temperature drops, and he does shiver, and I throw a blanket on him and he stops, or I lay down with him and he stops, what line of logic should I follow to deduce that he is NOT shivering because he is cold? Tell me.
Preserve the breed? Are you serious? And you are talking about gamebred in the same sentence. That means selecting for dogs that will fight till death, and breeding them, and selecting all over again. If you were talking about 'my dogs meet the breed standard, and I want to preserve the breed...' then that's a different story. It sounds like you want to preserve the 'gameness' of the dogs in future lines. Go fight a dog.
The old red dog likes his blanket, and backs down from ANYTHING. He also happens to be some kind of bully dog.
Tell me, WHAT is 'this thing' all about? Could you please define 'this thing'?
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