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Raking the Forest
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ChinggisKhaan
Active member
How did California's most destructive fire come to be called the Camp Fire?
Butte County's deadly Camp Fire was named after Camp Creek Road, the location where the fire started.
Butte County's deadly Camp Fire was named after Camp Creek Road, the location where the fire started.
One of the possible causes is the electric company’s equipment caught fire some how.
Today they are saying there is a second possible ignition source again with the electric companys equipment, five miles away from the first in Concow.
After last years fires the local electric company decided to do proactive blackouts, and they only used it once a few weeks ago.
They caught a lotta shit from different people for different reasons and some sued of course.
So a day before the fire, they sent out emails and texts saying they might do it, but didn’t turn it off in our area, and I didn’t hear of it being turned off anywhere else
As bad as it was, and the death toll will surely rise , it sounds like it could have been much worse at least as far as deaths . Paradise basically has one main road going in and out, in a mass evacuation situation with wildfire, it is the definition of a worse case scenario
Today they are saying there is a second possible ignition source again with the electric companys equipment, five miles away from the first in Concow.
After last years fires the local electric company decided to do proactive blackouts, and they only used it once a few weeks ago.
They caught a lotta shit from different people for different reasons and some sued of course.
So a day before the fire, they sent out emails and texts saying they might do it, but didn’t turn it off in our area, and I didn’t hear of it being turned off anywhere else
As bad as it was, and the death toll will surely rise , it sounds like it could have been much worse at least as far as deaths . Paradise basically has one main road going in and out, in a mass evacuation situation with wildfire, it is the definition of a worse case scenario
right on, I stand corrected. But still.......
The cause of the deadly Camp Fire is still being investigated at this time, although it has been proven time and time again that many of the devastating wildfires that break out in California are sparked by humans. According to the National Park Service, 90% of wildfires in the US are caused by humans – whether by unattended campfires, burning debris, cigarettes or arson. Oftentimes it is through human “mistakes, toys, tools and technologies,” such as the Carr Fire, which was caused after a the rip of a vehicle wheel scraped the asphalt, creating sparks that set off the fire, or the 2007 fire on Santa Catalina Island that was ignited by workers cutting metal wires with a torch.
About 2% of California’s 2,816 wildfires in 2016 were caused by lightning, according to data from Cal Fire. The majority could be attributed to humans, though only 8% were caused by arson.
only 2% by lightning.
BakedBandit
Member
Pge is WAY more than 2%. Fuck those guys. Hard. Lotsa times. I hope they go down once and for all. Bring on a power producer that cares about the environment, the people they serve, and are able to find a way to make a profit without no compromising their ideals. It can't be that hard.
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Guest
You people are a joke. I would never set foot in a aircraft that any of you designed, built or worked on because you dont live in the real world where reality and gravity overcomes BS.
Lots of human error for sure, I would think there was more than 2% lightning fires though.
I hear of a lot of fires caused by mowers or people burning piles when they shouldn’t.
About four years ago there were about 6-7 fires along the roadside ditch over about ten miles. Bone dry vegetation of course but none of them got too crazy. Some say chains being dragged could do that, and maybe so. But judging from how far from the road the fires were it seems like a IBD, or improvised burning device. My guess is some sort of fireworks.
It’s crazy the amount of fires theses days, yubanet.com has updated fire news in the state and locally.
Today’s fire totals;
Last week 34 fires
37,428 acres
Year to date. 52,450
8,517,345 acres
10 year average. 59,375
6,310,455 acres
Brother Nature
Well-known member
There are plenty of good jokes in this thread, but I'm not totally sure what it is you're referencing? Haven't seen much in regards to the laws of physics here, pretty sure it was started as a lighthearted poke at a moron who thinks raking forests will prevent forest fires. You're right though, flying in planes built by people on the internet may not be a good idea.
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Water-
Humans are a part of nature, everything we do is natural, regardless of the consequences. Mother nature is our mother.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_American_use_of_fire_in_ecosystems
"Prior to European colonization of the Americas, some Native Americans in the United States used controlled burns to modify the landscape. These controlled fires were part of the environmental cycles and maintenance of wildlife habitats that sustained the people's cultures and economies. What was initially perceived by colonists as "untouched, pristine" wilderness in North America, was actually the cumulative result of these occasional, managed fires creating an intentional mosaic of grasslands and forests across North America, sustained and managed by the original Peoples of the landbase.
Radical disruption of Indigenous burning practices occurred with European colonization and forced relocation of those who had historically maintained the landscape.[8] Some colonists understood the traditional use and potential benefits of low intensity, broadcast burns ("Indian-type" fires), while others feared and suppressed them. In the 1880's, impacts of colonization had devastated indigenous populations, and fire exclusion became more widespread; by the early 20th century fire suppression had become official U.S. federal policy. Understanding pre-colonization land management, and the traditional knowledge held by the Indigenous peoples who practiced it, provides an important basis for current re-engagement with the landscape and is critical to correctly interpreting the ecological basis for vegetation distribution.
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metsäkana
Forest fires always start by one of two ways - naturally caused or human caused. Natural fires are generally started by lightning, with a very small percentage started by spontaneous combustion of dry fuel such as sawdust and leaves. On the other hand, human-caused fires can be due to any number of reasons.
crazy people is reason number 1 and second stupid people
crazy people is reason number 1 and second stupid people
troutman
Seed Whore
crazy people is reason number 1 and second stupid people
Not every person who starts fires is crazy and/or stupid. Some make fires to stay warm.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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metsäkana
D troutman is crazy one dont let him to cali
troutman
Seed Whore
I can't cross the border yet. TroutMafia scares Trump.
BTW: Crazy people are not legally responsible for anything. So that's my other story.
St. Phatty
Active member
22 of the $330 Million F22's at Tyndall Air Force Base could not be flown out of the path of Hurricane Michael.
Keep in mind that moving airplanes is like moving rental cars - they just need a pilot or driver to move it 100 or 200 miles.
The Prime for the F22 electronics is Northrop Grumman in So Cal, for the overall plane it's Lockheed.
Innocent Civilians are getting killed & badly hurt by both California's & Trump's slow-motion Clusterfvck's.
But I am still fascinated watching the process.
PG&E did not prepare its power lines, and many of the poles were overloaded - against the rules - with cell phone equipment. That was the source of one of the fire starts in Morgan Hill, at the same time as the October 8, 2017 Napa-Sonoma fires.
It will be real interesting to watch California try to divorce its power company. Sure California can bankrupt PG&E - but then where are they going to get their power ?
San Onofre very recently demonstrated that they are not capable of handling the nuclear materials they have been given to store.
So California is addicted to the product sold by the company that started some of the most significant urban-interface wildfires.
Meanwhile, there was one news story about a guy in Paradise, who refused to evacuate. Living off the water in the 3000 gallon pool, and he has generators for electricity. Total gritting it out, feel sorry for his lungs.
Wikipedia says F22 cost- "It was estimated by the end of production, $34 billion will have been spent on procurement, resulting in a total program cost of $62 billion, around $339 million per aircraft. The incremental cost for an additional F-22 was estimated at about $138 million in 2009."
Wow. Didn't know that. I knew it got crazy. I just didn't know THAT crazy.
Fraud! Some people belong in jail.
Wow. Didn't know that. I knew it got crazy. I just didn't know THAT crazy.
Fraud! Some people belong in jail.
