Questions for Sam the Skunkman on Hindu Kush Indicas

[jarmon]

So any way a few pages back we were discussing the merits or lack thereof of the Afghani 1 from seedsman uk that is claimed to be a sacred seeds descendant. I haven't grown a female from this line yet but it did get outcrossed to a Pakistani Chitral Kush and it ended up looking like this




I didn't get to smoke it as there was some theft carried out on my property about that time but it's sisters elsewhere were strong enough for me.

 

[juanhue]

I thought this thread was being responded to by skunk man, did he quit or something?

 

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Sensi seeds Afghani #1 at 10 weeks flowering from seed that a friend gave me.
Looks like it could have gone longer but had to chop as I needed the tent for drying my other plants.

Very different from the Afghani #1 I grew from Seedsman years ago.

 

[Madjag]

Not even the same plant structure....

 

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Not even the same plant structure....

No and not even the same bud structure, ie, dense.
Smell and taste are not the same as I remember, this has a faint smell of lemon and taste is very bland with no distinct flavour.
The Afghani and also other indica types I used to grow allways had a strong, skunky smell and a hashy, slightly perfumed taste like fine hashish.
The high is up with slight body but more in the head, far from couck lock.

 

[jarmon]

So anyway this is another couple of shots of the seedsman afghani crossed with the pck. There are some other shots in the album, its turning out ok. 1st pic is an F2 the other is F1.

 

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Very nice Jarmon, did your seedsman Afghani male look indica/wld?
Was he wide or narrow leafed?
At the beginning of this thread Sam says, " Think about the changes a seed variety will go through if maintained by seed every year, and a small population with only one or a few males from seed each year. After 29 years I doubt anyone would say the variety was the same".
Is this what has happened with Afghani #1? Is it poor selection? Or are the rumours true that Sensi lost parent plants?
Even if they did, surely they would have had back up plants/seed? No?
Wasn't Afghani #1 originally a short round bush type plant that all most allways finished around 8 weeks, had dense bud and a physical, narcotic stone?
Seems a real shame that an old school classic has changed so much or maybe even been hybridized?

 

[jarmon]

Theres a picture of him a few pages back he had very big very long leaves that I would not call wide. The picture is after several revegs though so it makes them look a lot more narrow. Was a vigorous grower and very hardy. Not from Sensi Seeds though it was from Seedsman UK. Also these are finishing around if not after mid autumn which is a bit later than you might expect from the original but that could be the PCK influence.

 

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Yes, could be the P.c.k, I grew one outdoors here in the U.K last year and had to harvest the beginning of October because of weather conditions but she could have gone another week or two.
I believe that a few of seedsmans lines were originally reproductions of sensi's, Afghani#1 and Hash plant were two offered, I grew them both and they were great.
Jarmon, do you think your affie male has improved the yield of the P.c.k?

 

[Madjag]

If you remember my post #436 in this thread on page 30 from 3/22/2013, I questioned Seedsman's Afghani #1 and Sam replied. I bought the Seedsman Seeds from a Spanish reseller, a supposedly reliable one, and they were in the original Seedsman seed packaging.

Here's that plant again:

 

[sprinkl]

How many plants did you grow from that pack? I reckon there can always be a weird mutant in any pack. 1 weird plant means nothing statistically. You could pop a thousand seeds and never get such a mutation again.

Afghani and Kush are always represented as "pure indica" strains but I wonder how much plants of a big population actually resemble that indica look? Surely there must be loads of tall, stretchy, thin leafed pheno's to be found as well?

 

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Hi Sprinkl, you have made good points and I agree with you that a mutant can pop out of any pack of seeds and also I imagine you are correct about the difference in phenotype within a large population.
It is also silly of me to slate Sensi's Afghani#1 after just growing one pack but I have heard so many on ic talk of Sensi's plants going to shit that I thought I would try them after being given to me for free.
Perhaps if I grew more I could find a better extreme indica type that reminded me of the Afghani#1 that I grew years ago but as all the female's from my recent grow all looked/tasted/smelled the same, I don't think I will bother.
Seedsman have seem to have gone the same way from what I have read and seen, lots of reports of there Afghani#1 displaying more Nld traits than Wld and even there Northern lights is supposed to be tall and stretchy.??
I'm just a smoker/grower and my knowledge of breeding is limited so can only speculate what has happened to the classics of old and perhaps its because certain seed companies cannot grow out large enough populations to select the best for seed mothers/pollen fathers, I don't really know.
I thought Afghani#1 was true breeding for certain traits( short, stocky, greasy fat buds and knock out stone)? I know Seedsman advertised them as such and last time I read Sensi's description they state that anyone looking for a picture perfect indica with a narcotic stone will find them in there seeds.
The ironic thing is I don't even like narcotic weed but was trying to find a decent female for a friends dad to grow who was a big Afghani hash smoker in the 70s and enjoys heavy stone's, just a bit dissapointed for him as the Affie I grew is more up than stone,lol.
I'm going to try Deep chunk next, if they germ? And see if that will fit the bill for him.

 

[jarmon]

Jarmon, do you think your affie male has improved the yield of the P.c.k?

Yes without a doubt. Much bigger plants. Hasn't really detracted from flavour or high but some of the plants have narrower leaves. Not all of the pck I grew had really fat leaves either but most would be described as wide rather than narrow.

 

[Mate Dave]

I never worked on any variety with Neville, he sold my varieties, then used them to make his own. I never even grew his varieties, except for one or two, I was busy with my own.

Mazar was not collected by me, Neville bought the seeds in Pakistan from Afghani or Pakistani smugglers. It was a flop, he dropped it after a few years. It was Neville's first attempt to create his own variety from scratch, after that he stuck to retooling others breeders work, or making simple hybrids of other breeders work, and calling the new hybrid his own.
-SamS

That's how you do it if farmer seed is shite you need breeders seed mate.. Is there another way without landrace and using bunk junk like you said was in holland? Get better farmers seed or breeders seed perhaps? Get lucky? How did you do it?

I would like to ask you how you think the resin will segregate with taking a wild type plant into a hybrid state.

The plant mum (P1) has got 4 main types a few on the bud leaf 2 types on the calyx and another blend of the 2 on the leaf.

You don't see this in modern hybrids. WTF is it? Wild..

How far till I loose the trait you think Sam?

Your the resin breeder.. How come the Cheese clone has 1 type? How do you get resin segregation for making hash with Kush types?

 

[Goyakla]

I have grown a lot of HK etc.. And the very Best ive ever grown was/are Shirin Gol (Tadijk hashplant ) from Hebaria..never seen anything like it...loads of resin and a total knock out Stone...whish somebody still had some Seeds. Gona try Pamir Gold to see What she does.

 

[amsterdammer]

HK clone from the Flying Dutchmen

HK clone from the Flying Dutchmen

Here is an image of the HK clone from Sam, still the same cut, grew it out a few months ago, there is nothing like this strain, stinky and potent.

 

[Rox]

Here is an image of the HK clone from Sam, still the same cut, grew it out a few months ago, there is nothing like this strain, stinky and potent.

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Is that one of the plants in the genetics of tastebud OG?

 

[amsterdammer]

Is that one of the plants in the genetics of tastebud OG?

Yup

 

[MountZionCollec]

Cultivators Choice POG*Hindu Kush

I am not sure who made the seeds but they were sold through breeders retail under the cultivators choice name but I believe they said someone else in the Netherlands made the cross.

These are my 5 selected mothers. I failed to save 2 of the best females but I got some really great ones! Number one most important selection criteria was PM resistance. The 3rd female in the pictures is the most susceptible to PM but it wasnt covered and it was drenched in oil with huge nugs and not many spots of pm so im keeping her for now.

 

[Queef]

I got a nice Hindu kush. Super fast finisher with ultra frosty rock hard buds stays real squatty. Throws golf ball shaped buds everywhere She's got a dank earthy lime weak sour thing going on. Did I say fast finisher never seen a plant so fast. Perfect for Michigan outdoor