It doesn't really matter if the seed is from 69 or 76 or whatever. There things out there with the a and c lineage which has been wildly popular varieties over the years, you have others from sam that are having more popularity and making more resurgence in the pure form or with sativas and hybrids instead of nl, seedsman, tom hill, tfd etc different hazes from sam doing these different hybrids, different times different crosses different all around but lots of great stuff and never a time for things haze that has something for most people which is really just incredible to think about..
question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
- Thread starter bigherb
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I made it through the first couple of pages, and was thinking about what an annoying know it all/know nothing keyboard jockey guest/AnatomiclySound was before I realized I was burning my dinner. So congratulations AnatomiclySound, mission accomplished...almost two decades later and you are still bugging people. Obviously, it's my own fault, and I blame myself for investing the time. I wonder if I can still block a user who's no longer here? I'm about to find out.
Neville built an empire off those 7 germinated plants. You have always been nevs biggest cheerleader. Lol
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
No, Nevil had already built an Empire by starting the first legal seed company.
From those Haze seed and the 7 Haze plants he got up from the 1000s he bought, only 3 were the goods, 1 female and 2 males.
Cheerleader, no what I am about is the cannabis and I like to know the history of a given line if possible too.
From those Haze seed and the 7 Haze plants he got up from the 1000s he bought, only 3 were the goods, 1 female and 2 males.
Cheerleader, no what I am about is the cannabis and I like to know the history of a given line if possible too.
DarkStorm.
Active member
The confusion comes from sam being mis-led.....he and rob seen the 66-69 Fhz plant nevil had and belived thats all he had and cut it down......nevil had others but that was his own private bissness....he explained this to big herb that he hoped sam had found something good in his seeds ( not knowing they all failed as documented independently and sam having to use a dozen seed of the 76 hz seed he had collected out of a plant wen triming for the hz crew)....so nevil asked sam if he had found anything good....sam gave him clones( that had come from the 12 or so 76 seed increased and worked abit)...nevil tried them and realised they wernt the same, even told big herb that it looked like sam had even outcrossed them ( wich was true)....wen nevil tested them they couldnt produce anywer near the amount of keepers that his 66-69 plants could...not close...so binned them.....a little while later nevil got nabed in australia and held in jail due to atip off from holland.....now later bragging a little birdy went and told sam nevil had sold him pure haze clones for a million wich obviously was bs to stir the pot (this person ended up getting very rich off the games he played and other ppls hard work)....sam got pisd as he assumed the clones he gave nevil...the ones he had worked from the dozen back up 76 seed and geneticly revived and gave to nevil had been sold to this person ( this was why he was angry that nevil had sold his haze clones pure).....i personaly spoke to sam about this....and all these years he belived the only reson nevils haze lines were stronger was cus he atched the nl#5 to them....it was only when i explained to him not all of nevils haze work has the nl....it was the haze itself were the power was coming from....the ag13hz no nl, the skhzA, skhzC no nl, the durban hz no nl, the hawaiian sativa x hzC no nl.....i then gave sam detailed descriptions of all the plants nevil had and he pointed out to me wat nevil called omega hz aka the 1970 plant was probably brians haze.....i also explaind how nevil had been pressurised into selling the mansion for a fraction of the price after being in jail for so long and some dirty tactics from some ppl and that he had gotten nothing for his seed bissness or plants...and the only plant that they got was hazeC.....its also impossible for nevil to have 76 hz as sam only had a dozen...and these were reproduced and worked in holland and ready for first release 85 onwards....nevil got his haze from sam within days of sam landing in holland ..like 3-4 days.....wat he got were the ancestors of ohz which included burnning bush....aka 66-69 haze....the original f1 hazes that the hz crew themselfs made their ibl line out of.....now if anyone wants me to show some of the plants that make up hz and even the hz broze hz i can do that from f2 or s1 of nevils original f1 hybrids.....most ppl dont know how genetics work and the laws they work within...the gentics cant lie.....they tell the truth
Big herb you asked me some questions, sorry i didnt reply back....i dont stay too well my self....and tend to get drained of energy very easily now....anyway ...the point of the picture of one the haze crew wasnt the person in the pic or if i know who it is....the point was the plants in the pic.....they are clearly not pure punto rojo...and ther were two difrent types of plants....most likley sharing one parent but the other parent each has diffrent....that was the point....like i said i cant re-write history as the gentics and the laws and boundries within genetics work are what tell the story.....ther is no way around that...whats already been shown and genticly happened already in history cant be changed....
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DarkStorm.
Active member
By the way i red back a few pages......i pressed sam on this 3 colombians thing....i explained to him that ther wasnt just one haze and ther wer multiple....each with at least one difrent parent but linked together by this familar haze base thread....( similar to wat he himself had listed after he got all the original parent stock off the haze crew).....he admited to me the 3 colombians was a guess...but a educated guess...and if someone claims they actualy know all the parent make up they are bs-ing....he explaind to me his passion and focus was mostly with the type he had mostly known ( the hz crew one..ohz ibl)....and he didnt smoke too much but was now more a fan of smoking the crystals/sift....all my conversations were on public forum.....but convineintly disapeared.....but wat cant disapear is the genetic proof....f1 hybrids of hazeC and hazeA still survive....the proof is allready ther and cant be denied.....shanti baba hase taken some of nevils haze work to f9...and its only by then that the predetor faciated plants come out....like i said genetics....most ppl dont understand them....but if you know genetics and the laws they work within....then everything is layed bare....ther is no backing away or denying that....it was after all this conversation that sam asked me if hazeC was still around and accesable.....obvious why as that would be the best mate to throw ohz backwards towards its beginings as much as could be done within keeping ohz within its true origins....unfortunatly i dont belive its around....and explaind this to him....
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@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Who are you Dark ? You had to be there to know what you know.
You posted things above Nevil has told me that I have not shared, and you have eloquently explained genetics and how the plants themselves tell the story.
It took me a long time to connect the dots with the Haze and Nevil helped with that by describing the first female, the HzA the HzC and offering he saw and the work he did with the pure Haze and what he found.
More importantly, I came from a time when Thais and Colombians and other staivas were all we grew, and once I started to dig into the NH I started to see the two main sides to the Haze Nevil worked with.
The highs alone tell the story.
You posted things above Nevil has told me that I have not shared, and you have eloquently explained genetics and how the plants themselves tell the story.
It took me a long time to connect the dots with the Haze and Nevil helped with that by describing the first female, the HzA the HzC and offering he saw and the work he did with the pure Haze and what he found.
More importantly, I came from a time when Thais and Colombians and other staivas were all we grew, and once I started to dig into the NH I started to see the two main sides to the Haze Nevil worked with.
The highs alone tell the story.
My source told me G confirmed Sams lived on his Block . Admitted he didn't hand him seed but was sure he found some over the years in what he smoked
Undoubtedly Sams collected seed through flowers and his wife's trimming
The thing that bugs me out still
Sams said R was the main Haze brother early in thus thread then this post below .
That RL the later partner who G put on because his Green house and J who was a helper of G with the First Haze on the mountains told him a different story to Sams
Why would he even entertain the idea of a second story from anyone but the Surfer boy AKA the Orginator AKA G ????
I dont understand
SAMS POST below
The very first Original Haze was a crop of both green, lime green, purple, and other colors, all from Columbian, after that I am not sure and anyone that says they are, is just fooling themselves. One of the Haze growers RL told me a different story then the Original Haze guy that did it first up in the SC mountains and then in the next few years moved down to right by my house, less then a block away, the other Haze grower RL, who put out the OH poster lived a block the other side of my house. I had a friend "J" that used to help the SC mountain Haze grower, he was also a good friend of RCC, he told me all about the early Original Haze I never saw, as I got back to SC in early 1972. They both told me different stories, I did not care so much it was the Cannabis I was interested in.
I thought the emphasis on 1976 from Sams for many years had to do with the Genetics from G n RL . But i believe it's when he first released his Haze work / did his reproductions
1luvbigherb
Hempy
This is what makes life beautiful how we are all unique
You see Dark storm as a Ray of sunshine with New Revelations from Nevil private convos. While I see him as a black cloud of mis information and ramble
While darkstorm admits his info was from open conversation on public forum . You believe he reveals some private secret information and was there
Dark post BS lies like this below and you applaud his post
Darkstorm post below
similar to wat he himself had listed after he got all the original parent stock off the haze crew).....he admited to me the 3 colombians was a guess...but a educated guess...and if someone claims they actualy know all the parent make up they are bs-ing
Parent stock from the Haze crew ???
3 colombians a guess ???
@DarkStorm.
Really your imagination is out there
The picture is not sourced from you . Nor is it of the Haze crew . You have No solid information
I thought you had inside info about Santa cruz. Now you were also there for Nevils Uaze stock origin
Newbies Please dont listen to Darkstorm information on Haze
This is what makes life beautiful how we are all unique
You see Dark storm as a Ray of sunshine with New Revelations from Nevil private convos. While I see him as a black cloud of mis information and ramble
While darkstorm admits his info was from open conversation on public forum . You believe he reveals some private secret information and was there
Dark post BS lies like this below and you applaud his post
Darkstorm post below
similar to wat he himself had listed after he got all the original parent stock off the haze crew).....he admited to me the 3 colombians was a guess...but a educated guess...and if someone claims they actualy know all the parent make up they are bs-ing
Parent stock from the Haze crew ???
3 colombians a guess ???
@DarkStorm.
Really your imagination is out there
The picture is not sourced from you . Nor is it of the Haze crew . You have No solid information
I thought you had inside info about Santa cruz. Now you were also there for Nevils Uaze stock origin
Newbies Please dont listen to Darkstorm information on Haze
DarkStorm.
Active member
I will give you a shout later hempy
Lets see, who can show me from ohz two plants that go into this plants make up......this the haze crew grew yeah.....now lets see if ppl understand how genetics work....or the diffrence between ibl many generations removed and then hybridised......im not asking for the genetics to be shown inbred and mutated....neithier another generation of the same plant......lets see who understands exactly the laws of genetics.... ppl can say what they want....this wont lie...
Lets see, who can show me from ohz two plants that go into this plants make up......this the haze crew grew yeah.....now lets see if ppl understand how genetics work....or the diffrence between ibl many generations removed and then hybridised......im not asking for the genetics to be shown inbred and mutated....neithier another generation of the same plant......lets see who understands exactly the laws of genetics.... ppl can say what they want....this wont lie...
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
Hempy
This is what makes life beautiful how we are all unique
You see Dark storm as a Ray of sunshine with New Revelations from Nevil private convos. While I see him as a black cloud of mis information and ramble
While darkstorm admits his info was from open conversation on public forum . You believe he reveals some private secret information and was there
Dark post BS lies like this below and you applaud his post
Darkstorm post below
similar to wat he himself had listed after he got all the original parent stock off the haze crew).....he admited to me the 3 colombians was a guess...but a educated guess...and if someone claims they actualy know all the parent make up they are bs-ing
Parent stock from the Haze crew ???
3 colombians a guess ???
@DarkStorm.
Really your imagination is out there
The picture is not sourced from you . Nor is it of the Haze crew . You have No solid information
I thought you had inside info about Santa cruz. Now you were also there for Nevils Uaze stock origin
Newbies Please dont listen to Darkstorm information on Haze
What you fail to get bigherb is some of what Darkstorm has posted I knew, and it came from Nevil, and so he would have had to be there or know people that were to know what he knows as something's have never been posted.
I think I know who Dark is, but that don't matter, but what's important here is not YOU or me it's the information his posted and posting and that seems to ruffle your feathers WHY ?
I thought you were about the History of Haze, or are you only interested in what you feel is important, regardless if it's true or not.
RingtailCanyon
Well-known member
it obvious who has been lying all these years.
