question for sam the skunkman on the original haze

[bigherb]

Didn’t Sam say he had batches with Thai and South Indian and some didn’t ? If nevil got a batch that had the Thai and Indian I can see where the incense smells would be increased from the Indian .. I kno there’s Thai in it for sure I just think the Indian part is vastly overlooked or discussed people seem fixated on Thai

I grew ace thai and grown a few hazes and the one of the distinct smells from haze is Thai my best Thai chi smelled like haze minus a little pine

Actually I always knew it was a 3 way Columbian hybrid many others were quoted of saying a version of what you say, but not me unless we are talking about Original Haze Hybrids like I made with Thai, South Indian. But I clearly identified any I made and sold. Even the bros that developed Original Haze used Thai and other seeds I gave them to make Original Haze hybrids But that said all Original Haze was Columbian. -SamS


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I gave seeds to both the Original Haze growers in 1972 and also later, One used Thai and S Indian with his Haze in the very early 70's. The other grew the Thai but decided it was not as good as Haze and did not use it.

Originally Posted by
Sam_Skunkman

just read all the posts from my last post #1945 to #2376.The seeds I sold to Nevil were all made by me mostly from Holland work.
I never sold any I collected from Haze I obtained from the Haze Bros. I sold my work.
J & G are the same guy. Almost all my OHaze seeds were from him.
I never sold any OHaze X S Indian Kerala or Thai as OHaze, I always called them OHaze X whatever.
Burning Bush was 100% pure OHaze I grew it in Calif and named it, RCC also smoked it with me, and loved it.

My questions Sams Response below


Do you still have any OHaze seeds from G ? If soo have you tried to germ them ? NO I HAVE NONE LEFT JUST OFFSPRING.

From your post I assume Nevils Haze was from pure Lumbo correct? YES.

Nevil said you told him burning bush was an ancestor of his seed stock he acquired , the 66-70 dates labeled on Nevils seeds he acquired from you was a BS story ? NOT SURE BUT BURNING BUSH WAS PURE OHAZE I GREW AND NAMED.

The fact he got 7 seeds to pop out of thousands from 85 stock don’t sound right . But you would know best THE SEEDS I SOLD HIM HAD A VERY HIGH GERM RATE, HE DID NOT EVER GROW THOUSANDS FROM SEEDS HE GOT FROM ME AS FAR AS I KNOW.

Soo all the OHaze you sold to seedsman TFD positronics was pure Colombian? YES UNLESS SOLD AS A HAZE HYBRID.

The emphasis all these years folks have made on thai association to OHaze is funny I GAVE BOTH RL AND G THAI SEEDS I GOT FROM GOLDEN OFF THE STICK THAI THAT WAS FANTASTIC IN MAYBE 75 IN SC. THEY MADE A FEW HYBRIDS BUT G LIKE THE PURE OHAZE BETTER AND DID NOT USE THEM AGAIN, RL LIKED THEM BUT DID NOT KEEP CLONES SO THEY WERE GONE PRETTY QUICK, THE SAME WITH S INDIAN, KERALA. I MADE MORE HYBRIDS AS I FOUND THEM INTERESTING.

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

I knew of two sources… one locally in Watsonville/Rick @ 75/z who we finally got seed from to tend… and 2brothers from Boulder Creek who I met through older kin…they were both very tight with and don’t even ask for seed… but quick to sell at 90/z …and back then that was high $…

I appreciate you OG

I'm sure those Legends still ring bells to some locals .

I understand Sams and your frustration, when you lived it and others doubt your word it's disheartening

1luvbigherb

 

[silverhazefiend]

I’m trying to follow Sam’s timeline I’m not sure if it’s me having a hard time understanding or maybe the way he explains things it’s hard to get a clear answer

RL LIKED THEM BUT DID NOT KEEP CLONES SO THEY WERE GONE PRETTY QUICK, THE SAME WITH S INDIAN, KERALA. I MADE MORE HYBRIDS AS I FOUND THEM INTERESTING.

Is he saying he made more hybrids after ?did he sell any of these ? And people kept clones in the 70s ? I figured he would have made seed and used those for the next season

Herb u ever grew any Thai ? I find it super strange my Thai chi smelled like haze I grew up smoking and it had no haze in it ..

 

[@hempy]

@@hempy don't muddy any waters as you have in the past or throw dirt on Todd


Sams can speak if he wishes

The transaction between Sam and Nevil happened, and the haze seed was sold a week or so after Sam landed in Holland. There are two sides to that story Sam and Nevils not yours or Todd's.

Todd is a prolific liar he claimed he stayed at the castle with Nevil didn't happen He also claimed Ben Dronkers bailed Nevil out of the Australian prison that also didn't happen Nevils sister did and there is proof of that.

I have the last interview given by Nevil taken by Michka when she visited him in Australia, Nevil bought a few 1000 Haze seed, What you or Todd claim has zero relevance to that story full stop.

 

[harvestreaper]

if a person dont give you a clear simple answer they either dont know or dont want you to know lol sams got his own online soap opera wenever he gets bored lol all these vagey hazey answers sure wouldnt wash if it was my money they had lol no disrespect to anyone on the noble quest for truth

 

[harvestreaper]

is todd not on the vidio at the castle hempy ?

 

[@hempy]

When Dronkers owned it Nevil only met Todd once at an event, spoke to him for an hour max.

 

[@hempy]

The person that should have been pist in this story should have been Nevil his the guy that paid big money for a few 1000 seed that only had 7 plants germinate from all those seed.

Instead, his painted as the villain.

 

[@hempy]

The emphasis all these years folks have made on thai association to OHaze is funny I GAVE BOTH RL AND G THAI SEEDS I GOT FROM GOLDEN OFF THE STICK THAI THAT WAS FANTASTIC IN MAYBE 75 IN SC. THEY MADE A FEW HYBRIDS BUT G LIKE THE PURE OHAZE BETTER AND DID NOT USE THEM AGAIN, RL LIKED THEM BUT DID NOT KEEP CLONES SO THEY WERE GONE PRETTY QUICK, THE SAME WITH S INDIAN, KERALA. I MADE MORE HYBRIDS AS I FOUND THEM INTERESTING.

 

[bigherb]

The transaction between Sam and Nevil happened, and the haze seed was sold a week or so after Sam landed in Holland. There are two sides to that story Sam and Nevils not yours or Todd's.

Seems more than one transaction betweenthem both. Nevil spoke about Haze clones from Sams . Myself or Todd didn't imagine anything

Todd is a prolific liar he claimed he stayed at the castle with Nevil didn't happen He also claimed Ben Dronkers bailed Nevil out of the Australian prison that also didn't happen Nevils sister did and there is proof of that.

I have the last interview given by Nevil taken by Michka when she visited him in Australia, Nevil bought a few 1000 Haze seed, What you or Todd claim has zero relevance to that story full stop.

From memory, I had suggested that you pm because it

the conversation was off-topic to the thread, and I didn't want to be seen or blamed for taking the thread off-topic. That's all it was Herb.





My version ? lol Come on herb, let's be honest here any information we have about Haze came from Sam or from Rob or from Shanti and a few others that got seed from Sam and then many years late Nevil him self posted and told his side.

That is where the information came from and decades later we find we still know nothing, it's based on an evolving story that has changed a few times. At lest, Nevil kept it consistent.

The second quote from the Thailand thread i wanted to respond to you . But then soo much great energy and post came and I didn't want to derail that

Do you Remember your verison of Nevils Haze stock origins?

You Shanti and Nevil are responsible for trying to rewrite History . While Nevil didn't post , in my opinion if you're not part of the solution your part of the problem

For many years you and Team 69 Swore on a stack of bibles Nevils Haze was older n different to Sams

Same that goes for Sams goes for you

Once you post on the Net, If someone saved it . It's there forever

A Old post of yours below


bigherb no offense but what is there to re write nothing all that had to be sed has been the people that have real haze have posted and in short the person i believe is shanti not saying this because i am posting this in mr nice forum far from it see big its like this people lie plants do not shanti has always been up front and very honest with all his customers why he is were he is in the cannabis community his work speaks for its self his customer service speaks volumes about his ethics and his efforts to do right by his customers.

The haze line starts and ends with nev, whether you want to go forwards or backwards. It was first offered at the seed bank and nevs has won all awards associated with haze



Guys i will say this first off the bat the us city neville collected the seed from or who he collected it from has never been posted on and just that fact neville did collect haze that just happens to be the oldest vertion of it and belived to be the best of it seams to rattle many in this community tuff


Well shanti knows and so do i as i spoke to shanti about there haze line face to face i was told the story and even names of those neville collected it from what i wont do is repeat it on here thats up to people like neville or shanti to do so if they see fit i my self would not becouse it would only feed those that have an agenda to rubbish and less they know less they can conect the dots




Fact remains neville did collect pure haze genetics from the us that is the oldest haze and sam also has haze but from a different batch and ot1 does not that is all that should really matter

The real haze was worked with in amsterdam and that's the facts and trueth behind it in short sam has his vertion wich is different to neviles and neville basicly got hold of the oldest haze wich seams to piss and upset many



I will tell you me and L33 were chatting over at Planet Ganja and we were talking about haze and he from memmory told me the haze neville used came from sam i told him no neville had infact collected pure haze a different haze to sam from with in the us him self and his haze was older and different to sams in short.

L33 asked me from were i told him from with in the us and one of the citys with in the us he as in l33 tried to gess wich state and i or no one has ever sed nyc or has sed wich state or city or from who it was collected from

L33T
I can't remember that specific discussion over PG you refer to above hempy as it was a couple years ago but yes I do remember we did chat a lot about haze and it was there where I first heard from you that nev collected haze in the US , later on you had

 

[bigherb]

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I just posted this from Sams below


From your post I assume Nevils Haze was from pure Lumbo correct? YES.

Nevil said you told him burning bush was an ancestor of his seed stock he acquired , the 66-70 dates labeled on Nevils seeds he acquired from you was a BS story ? NOT SURE BUT BURNING BUSH WAS PURE OHAZE I GREW AND NAMED.


Except it or not

Your Sams quote is older than the one I just posted .

I questioned him throughly about it and he responded publicly. Wow nothing changes

We need new horse for you

 

[harvestreaper]

the value for truth of each of the players is open for opinions so all we can do is make the most of whats available to us today

tryin to be artyfarty ,,top koh bottom haze x nh/og

mac male x thh female first female of this cross for me

 

[@hempy]

Why the long posts, Herb, and honestly why continue to beat a dead horse ?

Nevils has passed on and Sam's is very unwell, and you want to continue to argue about a business transaction two guys did in 1984.

Whether you or Todd or others like it or don't Nevil bought very old Haze seed and had 7 germinate of those 3 were special.

This is a post from Sam posted at Cannabis World over 2 decades ago this is what you and people like Todd should be concerned about.

 

[harvestreaper]

Why the long posts, Herb, and honestly why continue to beat a dead horse ?

Nevils has passed on and Sam's is very unwell, and you want to continue to argue about a business transaction two guys did in 1984.

Whether you or Todd or others like it or don't Nevil bought very old Haze seed and had 7 germinate of those 3 were special.

This is a post from Sam posted at Cannabis World over 2 decades ago this is what you and people like Todd should be concerned about.

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intersting info an fits what i see in the stock and thats standard in breeding to be fair but the f1 could still be unrelated lumbos ,,lumbo x thai ,,lumbo x mex watever ,, so still inconclusive for me

 

[bigherb]

The person that should have been pist in this story should have been Nevil his the guy that paid big money for a few 1000 seed that only had 7 plants germinate from all those seed.

Instead, his painted as the villain.

Once again I just posted this below but you ignore it .

The fact he got 7 seeds to pop out of thousands from 85 stock don’t sound right . But you would know best THE SEEDS I SOLD HIM HAD A VERY HIGH GERM RATE, HE DID NOT EVER GROW THOUSANDS FROM SEEDS HE GOT FROM ME AS FAR AS I KNOW.


Be open minded for a second

What is the chance Sams Aquired 1969 Haze seed ?

He was not in the country during this time . Afghanistan if I recall correctly. He returned to Santa Cruz in 71 he post this information

Soo if by chance he got 69 seed in 71 . By 1984/85 . How much 1969 Haze seed do you believe he had ?

Thousands

If he had any 69 seed at all why would he sell it . Why not try to select the best Haze to work , which he says he did with direct seeds from G .

Now what's more likely Nevil recieved Thousands of 1969 Haze seed from Sams in 84/85 or from Haze seed he made in 1976 or in Holland as he claims ?

Soo if he actually got Haze seed Sams made in Holland that had high germ rates why did he only Germ 7 seeds ?

Or is it more likely

He maybe actually got 2 Haze male n a female clone Hence Haze A & C infamous B


The simple story some want to make a movie

How honest was Nevil when he states in the Seed bank catalog his Haze was salvaged from the last crops in California.

Then we're told he aquired 1969 Haze seed

The beginning and the end very different versions from the sane guy

Maybe you could add more since you know Nevil so we'll

 

[@hempy]

intersting info an fits what i see in the stock and thats standard in breeding to be fair but the f1 could still be unrelated lumbos ,,lumbo x thai ,,lumbo x mex watever ,, so still inconclusive for me

Well if we're to believe all we read online then who has done any real breeding as Haze has only been open pollinated.

Every one gives me a hard time because I chose Nevils Haze over O Haze, well turns out my seed were only one generation from the very old Haze and O Haze that was sold was going by Sam was a long way away from that.

Sorry Herb, not interested in continuing to kick the Haze can down the never ending road of drama.

 

[bigherb]

I’m trying to follow Sam’s timeline I’m not sure if it’s me having a hard time understanding or maybe the way he explains things it’s hard to get a clear answer




Is he saying he made more hybrids after ?did he sell any of these ? And people kept clones in the 70s ? I figured he would have made seed and used those for the next season

Herb u ever grew any Thai ? I find it super strange my Thai chi smelled like haze I grew up smoking and it had no haze in it ..

I believe it's the way he shared info

Some of the more recent post give a different version / added information

If I can help you with any clarification let me know

Yes Sams made more hybrids remember his 81 catalog below

Sams post below , there are several.with this content

I brought most or all the O Haze seeds to the Netherlands, Nevil included. When you say Thai why is that?
I know that one of the Haze brothers used a few of my Thai and S Indian seeds with his Haze, but it was a minority. The other Haze Bro, grew my Thai and S Indian seeds but never used them to make Haze.
Why is it mostly Thai?
The Original Haze was three Columbian varieties, including Punto Rojos, and a magenta variety and a green variety. They were used to make the first O Haze. All Columbian.....
-SamS


I've not grown Thai yet . I did a brief search trying to find something like a golden Buddha / incense type. I was suggested 1 line from the whole selection

1luvbigherb

 

[bigherb]

Week 14 flowering, some recent pics below

That second wave of pistils pushed last week or soo

Incredible there is still slight stretch on some colas


This is my second OHaze grow . 4 phenos 7 plants in a 5x5 tent

This run I focused on giving proper spacing and airflow . I see major improvement and overall plant health . The flower is maturing much quicker this run

I also switched to 10/14 flowering maybe 5 weeks ago . My tent is running a few degrees cooler now with a new light . I think all these factors contributed to a healthier Run


I'm thankful to you all for sharing your experiences and expressing your passion in this thread

I'm most thankful to @MadMac for preserving and spreading, aswell as giving me advice any time I needed

Praises especially to @Sam_Skunkman for allowing us all to enjoy this Magic we call Haze . Blessings Health and happiness in the New year

1luvbigherb

 

[RoyalFlush]

Or is it more likely

He maybe actually got 2 Haze male n a female clone Hence Haze A & C infamous B

It's a good thing DJ9 was there in 87 when those junk clones came around. His testimony helps a lot in debunking these low IQ assumptions and junk speculations.

Sam, Nevil and DJ9 confirmed those clones were all junk.

 

[bigherb]

It's a good thing DJ9 was there in 87 when those junk clones came around. His testimony helps a lot in debunking these low IQ assumptions and junk speculations.

Sam, Nevil and DJ9 confirmed those clones were all junk.

Reading comprehension is needed in our community

Dj9 seems to be a fictional character with an imagination if you believe his word . We have nothing to discuss

Sams post below

The reason I gave my worst Haze clone is because I did not trust Neville, and I was right. He begged and begged for a Haze clone promising never to sell it pure, and I gave him my worst clone because I wondered if he was telling me the truth, and yes I had bred the clone many times along with my other dozen haze clones and knew it was my worst from progeny trials. I had kept it around because it was from older Haze seeds, and I wanted to be sure it had no use. I still have it. I never said it was bad I said it was my worst, but the worst Haze can still be good....just not as good as the best Haze clone.
And Shantibaba, Neville did not have any Haze seeds from 1969, I did but I never gave any to him ever for sure. And he did not work with haze in the 1970's, he never saw or heard of Haze until 1984, when we talked about them. He did not even grow Cannabis or sell seeds in the 70's so you are just plain wrong. Or someone has lied to you

1luvbigherb