question for sam the skunkman on the original haze
- Thread starter bigherb
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I would be more worried about the delusion and lack of critical thinking skills the community is plagued with.
Just because the man doesn't go around gurgling Sam the skunkman's loads doesn't make him a fictitious character.
The idea that a supposed single junk male clone is somehow the legendary haze A or haze C male is reaching. Hard for the ankles. It's ridiculous to think trash would only create legendary offspring for one fella and average trash for the original clone holder.
Who's holding decades old elite clones that come from Sam's Haze work prior to Nevil? Nobody.
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Nexus7
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Surely it must be a case of sour grapes? No?
Nevil found something a lot of people preferred over what can be found in Sam's Haze line.
From then on we get the smear campain from Sam eg. Nevil not honoring an agreement by selling pure Haze and Sam only giving Nevil his "worst" clone.
Well if that were true Nevil must be one hell of a breeder!
If he can take Sam's worst clone and turn it into something much more sought after than what Sam offered ...
Lets see Sam put that same clone on phylos then we could all see if it's really the parent of A5, C5, HPH and NHz!
Nevil found something a lot of people preferred over what can be found in Sam's Haze line.
From then on we get the smear campain from Sam eg. Nevil not honoring an agreement by selling pure Haze and Sam only giving Nevil his "worst" clone.
Well if that were true Nevil must be one hell of a breeder!
If he can take Sam's worst clone and turn it into something much more sought after than what Sam offered ...
Lets see Sam put that same clone on phylos then we could all see if it's really the parent of A5, C5, HPH and NHz!
smear campaign/sour grapes ? really ??
ive read it all and i dont see that , your assessment seems to be a bit one sided and completely ignoring all the shit thrown from the other side ,
its almost like you are a bit biased mate ??? lol
a lot of this shit slinging really comes from members , who as coincidence has it , came from the mns forum ,
if you read back a little , you ll see it yourself ..
unsubstantiated stories that became "true"
then proved to be untrue..
the most ive seen sam say was that nevil wasnt true to his word ,
and he didnt breed anything of his own from scratch ,
doesnt sound like a smear campaign to me ...
i dont really like getting involved in these quests for "truth"
regarding haze and its origins etc some folks get a bit nasty ,
while at the same time accusing others of not being decent folk ...
btw , i dont need a reply since im just making an observation ..
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As a scientist, I’d love to have, preserve, and analyze biological samples of any of these old, rare, or special specimens. ‘Omics technologies have advanced considerably in even just the last 5 years or so. Lightyears beyond simple genomics (Phylos eg.).
SamS seemed to take a scientific approach. It’d be interesting to know all of what data he’s generated and on what plants.
Peace,
F2F
SamS seemed to take a scientific approach. It’d be interesting to know all of what data he’s generated and on what plants.
Peace,
F2F
exoticrobotic
Well-known member
Sam's OH
Sam's OH background with Posi haze foreground
They both smell leathery
exoticrobotic
Well-known member
Very beautiful plants, the hazes
PlastikeRubba
Active member
You're right. I've been on icmag since 04 and still don't know what a haze is.
MadMac
far beyond driven...
ohh YES ... the most discussed strain..
and as long as the discussion is friendly and open -> it's all ok!
fascinating
some shot’s from the two OHzS1 x OHz male#2 … was just a test…
just smoked it… little early 1 1/2 month … but damn is this strong…
but see yourself… my fingers are soooo sticky from just rolling one…
damn good stuff… you can improve the haze… pic’s tell more than words
M.
MadMac
far beyond driven...
Improved some of yourohh YES ... the most discussed strain..
and as long as the discussion is friendly and open -> it's all ok!
fascinating
some shot’s from the two OHzS1 x OHz male#2 … was just a test…
just smoked it… little early 1 1/2 month … but damn is this strong…
but see yourself… my fingers are soooo sticky from just rolling one…
damn good stuff… you can improve the haze… pic’s tell more than words
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photos
CannaRed
Cannabinerd
To me, the bold parts of these two quotes contradict each other. In one he says he made ohaze after 76, then another he says he had some seeds from 69
"And Shantibaba, Neville did not have any Haze seeds from 1969, I did but I never gave any to him ever for sure. And he did not work with haze in the 1970's, he never saw or heard of Haze until 1984, "
" As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976."
"And Shantibaba, Neville did not have any Haze seeds from 1969, I did but I never gave any to him ever for sure. And he did not work with haze in the 1970's, he never saw or heard of Haze until 1984, "
" As for anyone (if I got this right) implying that Original Haze clones from 1969 are used, and alive, that is plain insane, there are no Cannabis clones from 1969, that is for sure. But maybe he meant seeds from 1969? And not grown until the 80's? To be honest I do not know, except the only Original Haze seeds sold prior to the 80's were mine, That I made after 1976."
CannaRed
Cannabinerd
Compared to modern hybrid cannabis, were the seeds of Thai very large? Or were the Indian seeds small? I can obviously see that the Thai seeds are larger than the Indian but it's hard to tell from the pic how it compares to modern seeds.
its a bit hard to decipher sometimes ,
and thats how misinterpretations happen ,
the after 76 date will refer to a reproduction of seeds from 69 from what im able to draw from whats been said in those quotes and in the past ...
Nexus7
Well-known member
Yes indeed very hard to decipher ...
Well at least Sam confirms he had the Haze seeds circa 1969 even though in his other quotes he mentions never tasted Haze until '72/73 so would be interested in finding out how he got those seeds!
@hempy
The Haze Whisperer
ohh YES ... the most discussed strain..
and as long as the discussion is friendly and open -> it's all ok!
fascinating
some shot’s from the two OHzS1 x OHz male#2 … was just a test…
just smoked it… little early 1 1/2 month … but damn is this strong…
but see yourself… my fingers are soooo sticky from just rolling one…
damn good stuff… you can improve the haze… pic’s tell more than words
Pictures do tell a story better than most can and to be honest, Max most of what's posted on Haze threads don't represent the Haze grower or the plants.
This is 1 of the 2 females I selected in the last round I did from the Nevils Haze F2s I made over 2 decades ago, both were extreme HzA leaner and almost white from the resin.
Have you got a full plant shot of the plant you posted, the flowers from be interesting to see her.
Few close-ups in Black and white.
Now thems are some FAT Haze Heads my Haze Bro!!!! Wheeeeeewwww!!! How the F does that smoke???some shot's from Zamal/OHZ x OHz, Caledonia/OHz x OHz and A5/OHz x OHz ... not the last plants... those are from basement last autumn ... just another proof that it works well ;-)
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enjoy ;-)
2025 ... the year of the haze
maybe he got them off the guys he got the first haze he tried ,Yes indeed very hard to decipher ...
Well at least Sam confirms he had the Haze seeds circa 1969 even though in his other quotes he mentions never tasted Haze until '72/73 so would be interested in finding out how he got those seeds!
i mean thats not really stretching things to think that is possible , is it ??
he did say he knew them, became friends , and perhaps at some point said ,
"do you have any older seed" ,
and bingo bango ,, next thing we know here we are debating silly stuff on the net ,, lol ...
