Purest indica

[Hempy McNoodle]

Happy Hogmanay! Have you ever tested your plants for cbd? I miss the effects of Afghani but had given up on finding pure seeds so got quite excited about this one, hopefully it’s uncontaminated and still has the effects that I miss.

There's lots of pure afghanis out there. But, it sounds like you are looking for what is often referred to as 'pre-soviet' afghani. What I have may or may not be pre soviet. But, look at it this way, you can try to get a pre-soviet such as Maple Leaf Indica or one of those old lines such as Cider Kush or whatever its called. But, these are many generations removed and also their purity is fairly questionable because in the end, all you have is trust to go off of. Or, you can find a modern line from Real Seed Co that has a lower probability of hybridization. That might be your 'truest' afghani. I mean, it is straight from Afghanistan. You might wanna just get a bag of their Afghan mix and have fun. In afghanistan they mix their seeds together generally anyway, so any locality probably is enriched with genetics from all around the region to some extent, I would think. Maybe try their afghan mix, their kandahar to get plants from northern afghanistan and southern.

 

[H e d g e]

There's lots of pure afghanis out there. But, it sounds like you are looking for what is often referred to as 'pre-soviet' afghani. What I have may or may not be pre soviet. But, look at it this way, you can try to get a pre-soviet such as Maple Leaf Indica or one of those old lines such as Cider Kush or whatever its called. But, these are many generations removed and also their purity is fairly questionable because in the end, all you have is trust to go off of. Or, you can find a modern line from Real Seed Co that has a lower probability of hybridization. That might be your 'truest' afghani. I mean, it is straight from Afghanistan. You might wanna just get a bag of their Afghan mix and have fun. In afghanistan they mix their seeds together generally anyway, so any locality probably is enriched with genetics from all around the region to some extent, I would think. Maybe try their afghan mix, their kandahar to get plants from northern afghanistan and southern.

I just don’t have the space to grow plants that might or probably will have cbd in them, I won’t even use hemp rizlas, I don’t want the tolerance.

I’ve heard the same that the seeds and pollen all get mixed up over there so probably not much chance of finding anything without hemp.
Not sure about blaming the Russians but who knows? I’ve seen pictures of people I know armed with guns and tanks burning fields of hash plants over there and they weren’t Russian.

What’s the ceiling like on yours? The local ‘indica’ star dog that’s available here gives me concussion for about 3 days and then has no effect at all, I tried growing Baluchi but it had too much cbd to be of any use, mild effects for a few days and then nothing. I want something that still has the relaxing blissful medicinal effects I can maintain the same dose of without the need for tolerance breaks.

Thai is amazing during the day but not ideal before bed.

 

[FilthyDank'Wasteman'Fabul]

Seriously doubt much of anything collected in the last 30 years is clean.
The frustration is that lots of people are holding pure genetics in the fridge and not selling them.

I’m still waiting for Arjan to make those Congo he procured at gunpoint available.
Why doesn’t he? He’s obviously a coke head, just think of all that Bolivian marching powder he could get in exchange for them, it’s weird.
Maybe he’s well aware of the deleterious effect his colour coded seeds have on landraces and he’s waiting for everything to become zombie couchlock hemp before marketing the sterilised triploid version of the Congo he stole?

Just have to try not to get too grumpy about it and focus on preserving what’s left.

for what it is worth, i think he is well aware. How can he make "strain hunters " documentaries about the loss of biodiversity within the genome, when it is his plants that are being plugged as more productive and higher potency to uneducated farmers and growers across the globe, the fact he is desperately looking for landraces amongst the mongerlised offspring of his own plants says it all...Really dont know alot about the details you are mentioning, but would love some links and info. Really think you are onto something...I totally agree, just try and preserve what is there. Looking into starting a feral population somewhere quiet

 

[FilthyDank'Wasteman'Fabul]

There's lots of pure afghanis out there. But, it sounds like you are looking for what is often referred to as 'pre-soviet' afghani. What I have may or may not be pre soviet. But, look at it this way, you can try to get a pre-soviet such as Maple Leaf Indica or one of those old lines such as Cider Kush or whatever its called. But, these are many generations removed and also their purity is fairly questionable because in the end, all you have is trust to go off of. Or, you can find a modern line from Real Seed Co that has a lower probability of hybridization. That might be your 'truest' afghani. I mean, it is straight from Afghanistan. You might wanna just get a bag of their Afghan mix and have fun. In afghanistan they mix their seeds together generally anyway, so any locality probably is enriched with genetics from all around the region to some extent, I would think. Maybe try their afghan mix, their kandahar to get plants from northern afghanistan and southern.

I also thought the same, do a mass selection of genetically diverse stock, and select for the appropriate traits. The issue is testing both chemotype and genotype

 

[Carraxe]

Hi. Just a question. Have you tried PCK or Bubba Kush x PCK from ACE, or Taskenti from Dinafem? These must be some of the purest indicas available, and their content in CBD is negligible.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

I just don’t have the space to grow plants that might or probably will have cbd in them, I won’t even use hemp rizlas, I don’t want the tolerance.

I’ve heard the same that the seeds and pollen all get mixed up over there so probably not much chance of finding anything without hemp.
Not sure about blaming the Russians but who knows? I’ve seen pictures of people I know armed with guns and tanks burning fields of hash plants over there and they weren’t Russian.

What’s the ceiling like on yours? The local ‘indica’ star dog that’s available here gives me concussion for about 3 days and then has no effect at all, I tried growing Baluchi but it had too much cbd to be of any use, mild effects for a few days and then nothing. I want something that still has the relaxing blissful medicinal effects I can maintain the same dose of without the need for tolerance breaks.

Thai is amazing during the day but not ideal before bed.

I forgot to answer your question a few posts back. You asked if I ever tested the cannabinoids. No, I haven't. I assume each plant will have highly varying cannabinoids. I reproduced a seed batch a few years back and there were quite a few different phenos. So, each plant will have different effects within a limited range. The first one I smoked had some of the best effects I've had in years. It reminded me of my early days of smoking highly potent "street" weed before legalization. It was a very trippy indica. Relaxing, physical pleasure mixed with color-trip and bliss. A feeling of luxeriousness came upon me. Tingly all over, and not knocked out. Unfortunately, I think that a tolorance does rapidly form. I never got that high from it again since. But, it is always excellent stash. Looking forward to growing it again sometime soonish. I plan to reproduce them every now and then to keep the strain for the rest of my days. Maybe I'll make a feminized batch one day as well.

 

[Wolverine97]

I’m very excited about these..

Purest Indica" a.k.a. the Steve Murphy Afghan IBL (Inbred Line) Regular Seeds​

I contacted Todd McCormick and he says it contains zero cbd, could be the last remaining Afghani uncontaminated by industrial hemp.
Has anyone tried it or does anyone have any good ideas how to get it to the uk? He doesn’t ship internationally.

I would be a bit less trusting than you seem to be.

 

[Wolverine97]

It’s the muscle relaxing pain relief body effects I’m looking for in this one, I find the modern varieties have lost this and just have a sort of zombie knock out effect on me.

Well then you definitely don't want "zero cbd" plants. And by default, any/all Afghani "hashplants" will have a variety of cannabinoid profiles. Some will be nearly all cbd, some nearly all thc, some half and half. That's why the hash was/is so nice, because you're getting a broad spectrum of plants, all mixed together in the hash. People nowadays don't even know what they're looking for, mostly because of how much BS there is in this community today. Saying there is "zero cbd" in this line... that sets off the little alarm in my brain.

I have packs of Todd's Purest Indica, and his "NL" lines. But I don't have a lot of faith, or trust in him. He doesn't allow conversation on his posts, limits comments, and generally does all the things that set off alarm bells in my mind. In my experience, people who have nothing to hide don't go to those lengths to limit what people can say publicly about your offerings. The only reason I bought them, is that some of the other people involved with his operation do have credibility, and they were buy one get one... so I bought. I'll probably run them outdoors this year. We'll see.

 

[Wolverine97]

No worries bud, I’m just thinking of how the other thread went when he claimed dubi was a pathological lying religious fanatic who thought genocide was a good idea.

I’m super excited about these, don’t usually make a dedicated thread for my poor attempts at gardening but a zero cbd landrace Afghani I thought others might be interested in seeing how it grows and smokes, pretty rare plant to find.

The words "zero cbd landrace Afghani" are sort of at conflict with themselves. There is no such thing. Maybe in an individual phenotype, sure, but not as a "line" of seeds.

The more you know...

 

[H e d g e]

Have you tried PCK or Bubba Kush x PCK from ACE, or Taskenti from Dinafem? These must be some of the purest indicas available, and their content in CBD is negligible.

Thanks carraxe, if it doesn’t work out with this one I’ll give them a try. Still a bit of cbd but less than the best other options in my fridge which is the sad s1, it’s about 2% so I’ve not even bothered to try it yet, only got it for emergency use as I couldn’t find anything better at the time.

I’ve got some Kashmir but also high cbd I think, dubi mentions in the description for the new Kashmir it has less cbd than the other one and it’s 8%in the new one.

Relaxing, physical pleasure mixed with color-trip and bliss. A feeling of luxeriousness came upon me. Tingly all over, and not knocked out.

This is exactly what I remember good hash being, stress free bliss with extreme physical relaxation but not in a stupefying zombie way.
I’ve seen nothing close to this in years.

 

[Hempy McNoodle]

If I ever lost my Kandahar strain, I would simply replace them with The Real Seed Company's Kandahar. I'm confident that its all still there. This is basically, the plants that produced the often imported early 80s black afghani hash (according to what I've read and heard).

 

[H e d g e]

The words "zero cbd landrace Afghani" are sort of at conflict with themselves. There is no such thing. Maybe in an individual phenotype, sure, but not as a "line" of seeds.

The more you know...

If you grow them out and get around to having them lab tested I’d love to see the results, the only way to test cannabis in the uk is smoking it.

I understand your scepticism, it’s just something I miss so much I kinda want it to be true. If you extend trust to 100 people and 99% let you down then you’ve still found 1 trustworthy person which is invaluable.
Trust everyone once, unless they work in politics.

I disagree that 1:1 delta9 : cbd is what I’m looking for, I don’t know the names of the cannabinoids im after but they were stronger agonists than delta9 and didn’t have any issues with biphasic dose response. Any cbd would ruin the effect in both the immediate short term and more so with continued use, those hempy cbd plants were always referred to here as duds, it amazes me that people are smoking them deliberately.

 

[Wolverine97]

If you grow them out and get around to having them lab tested I’d love to see the results, the only way to test cannabis in the uk is smoking it.

I understand your scepticism, it’s just something I miss so much I kinda want it to be true. If you extend trust to 100 people and 99% let you down then you’ve still found 1 trustworthy person which is invaluable.
Trust everyone once, unless they work in politics.

I disagree that 1:1 delta9 : cbd is what I’m looking for, I don’t know the names of the cannabinoids im after but they were stronger agonists than delta9 and didn’t have any issues with biphasic dose response. Any cbd would ruin the effect in both the immediate short term and more so with continued use, these hempy cbd plants were always referred to here as duds, it amazes me that people are smoking them deliberately.

Can you point to where I said you want a 1:1?

 

[Dime]

If you grow them out and get around to having them lab tested I’d love to see the results, the only way to test cannabis in the uk is smoking it.

I understand your scepticism, it’s just something I miss so much I kinda want it to be true. If you extend trust to 100 people and 99% let you down then you’ve still found 1 trustworthy person which is invaluable.
Trust everyone once, unless they work in politics.

I disagree that 1:1 delta9 : cbd is what I’m looking for, I don’t know the names of the cannabinoids im after but they were stronger agonists than delta9 and didn’t have any issues with biphasic dose response. Any cbd would ruin the effect in both the immediate short term and more so with continued use, those hempy cbd plants were always referred to here as duds, it amazes me that people are smoking them deliberately.

"the only way to test cannabis in the uk is smoking it."
That's the proper way

 

[H e d g e]

Can you point to where I said you want a 1:1?

you definitely don't want "zero cbd" plants. Some will be nearly all cbd, some nearly all thc, some half and half. That's why the hash was/is so nice, because you're getting a broad spectrum of plants, all mixed together in the hash

Perhaps if I misunderstood then we don’t disagree, I think with plants that are very high in delta9 a little cbd can reduce the peak uptake and therefore also limit the biphasic dose response of the delta9 which makes it more tolerable.
Delta9 is not the only cb1 agonist cannabis can produce, or the strongest. Not all cb1 agonists have a biphasic dose response.

 

[Dime]

Perhaps if I misunderstood then we don’t disagree, I think with plants that are very high in delta9 a little cbd can reduce the peak uptake and therefore also limit the biphasic dose response of the delta9 which makes it more tolerable.
Delta9 is not the only cb1 agonist cannabis can produce, or the strongest.

You're forgetting terpenes and other constituents that come into play though that act on each other or blend.

 

[H e d g e]

You're forgetting terpenes and other constituents that come into play though that act on each other or blend.

Yeah, in the end smoking is the best test, but looking at the cbd levels will tell you if it’s worth bothering to grow it before paying for the seeds and electric.

 

[Dime]

Also I think the same strain/clone will vary depending on it's environment so it's hard to get a plant that will be consistent unless it always has the same pressures. I mean we could get seeds stright from the field in afghanistan and it won't be the same as if it grew wild there since the environment is totally different. jmo

 

[Wolverine97]

Perhaps if I misunderstood then we don’t disagree, I think with plants that are very high in delta9 a little cbd can reduce the peak uptake and therefore also limit the biphasic dose response of the delta9 which makes it more tolerable.
Delta9 is not the only cb1 agonist cannabis can produce, or the strongest. Not all cb1 agonists have a biphasic dose response.

Man, I think you need to stop thinking about numbers all together. Focus on the effect, and find plants that give the effect you want. They are out there, I promise. But you're saying a lot of things, and I think maybe not quite from a firm position of knowledge. It feels like wish-casting to me.

There are some knowledgeable folks in this thread, who have tried to gently nudge you in the right direction. I think you would do well to listen a little more, rather than react based on feelings. Not trying to be a dick, I'm trying to help get you facing the right direction.

 

[Dime]

If I was looking for the purest Indica ,I would go to India and any true landrace would qualify. People have associated/subsituted broad leaf plants with indica for some reason